Building the PERFECT Linux PC with Linus Torvalds

Arguably, there can be no perfect Linux PC. But what we can build is the perfect

PC. But what we can build is the perfect Linux PC for the creator of Linux, who >> there, can, be, only, one.

>> Or, hear, me, out,, you, guys, could, just build a PC together.

>> Oh.

>> Oh,, okay., That, could, work.

>> That, could, work., For, the, folks, too, young to catch the Highlander reference, the joke is that we are both Lionus and this can only end with one of us losing our heads. My mind is blown. So maybe that

heads. My mind is blown. So maybe that counts. Guys, when I shot my shot asking

counts. Guys, when I shot my shot asking the original tech Lionus to come and do a collab with us, I had no idea what he'd say. I mean, he's kind of a big

he'd say. I mean, he's kind of a big deal, known for minor contributions to modern technology like Git and the Linux kernel, but he's here, the granddaddy of

the operating systems that power everything from the Android phone in your hand to data centers around the world to more recently your new gaming PC. All thanks to the incredible work of

PC. All thanks to the incredible work of open source developers and corporate sponsors like Valve. And I get to build a computer WITH THEM AND ASK HIM SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. And you think I'm the

YOUR QUESTIONS. And you think I'm the awkward one.

>> Sorry., Look,, I, know, that, fangirling, does make you a little bit uncomfortable.

>> Yes.

>> But, you, are, here, right, now, in, my, studio and this is so cool. So, I'll tell you what. If you could just quickly sign my

what. If you could just quickly sign my copy of this and then I'll settle down.

I promise. Okay.

How cool is this, you guys?

He made it out to fake Lionus from the real one. This is officially more valuable to me than this message from our sponsor.

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haven't written anything more recent autobiographically, so I went with this and the Wikipedia page, so that's about >> Yeah., No,, that's, fine., I, mean,, this, was

>> Yeah., No,, that's, fine., I, mean,, this, was literally what we talked about earlier that I'll do anything once like >> right, >> come, here.

>> I, really, enjoyed, it.

>> Okay., No,, I, enjoyed, the, writing, part., I

do want to point out the David Diamond part. I I actually wanted him to have

part. I I actually wanted him to have the same font size as my name, but Oh really?

>> the, publisher, said, no.

>> They, were, right.

>> It, was, very, much, a, collab.

>> He, made, that, very, clear, in, the, parts that the italicized parts that are kind of his version of the telling of the story. But I really enjoyed this and uh

story. But I really enjoyed this and uh I'm looking forward to hopefully asking you questions that are not thoroughly covered by your own autobiographical works. from 25 years ago.

works. from 25 years ago.

>> I, was, going, to, ask, you,, that, is, one, of my questions is, do you feel as detached from what you wrote then as I might be from something that I wrote when I was 19?

>> I, actually, don't, remember, what, I, wrote.

>> Oh,, okay., So, then, you, might, have forgotten the meaning of life, for instance. Oh, yeah.

instance. Oh, yeah.

>> Because, that's, in, there.

>> That's, in, there.

>> Yeah., It's, entertainment,, by, the, way.

>> And, uh, and, and, sex, is, a, perfect, example.

>> It, started, for, survival >> and, then, it, became, for, uh, society., And

then also entertainment.

>> Say,, yeah,, the, entertainment, part.

>> No,, you, were, quite, explicit, in, both meanings.

>> Okay.

>> Anything, once., Anything, once., Right.

>> We're, not, done, yet., So,, you, still, have to do more.

>> When, you, say, Lionus,, just, to, clarify, say a false lionus or something.

>> Fake, Linus., Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Today,, I, can, live, with, that., Now,, you did an interview with ZDNet a number of years back. Okay. about your daily

years back. Okay. about your daily driver computer which you built yourself and we actually replicated that build.

What did you think of our video?

>> Oh,, the, one, I, never, saw.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh, yeah,, sorry.

>> I, knew, that, was, going, to, happen., And, so the next thing I was going to ask you is what about this video? Are you going to watch this video?

>> I, probably, won't, because, I, will, be feeling way too self-conscious to to actually watch it. But I might have to just because I will probably get emailed comments and then I will have to wonder

about the comments. And

>> I, love, that, comments, to, you, are, email.

>> It's, the, only, media, I, use., Yeah., I, don't do I don't do the whole social media thing. So it's text for my family or

thing. So it's text for my family or email for everybody else.

>> Right., So, I, can, text, you.

>> You, actually, can, text, me, now., Yeah.

>> That's, actually, pretty, cool., So, you, know what? Even though I am not one of the

what? Even though I am not one of the couple of dozen Torvoldzes on the planet right >> I, also, have, a, madeup, last, name.

>> So, my, mom, broke, from, her, family,, changed her name, and then got my dad to agree to use her name for me.

>> Okay.

>> So, I'm, also, Lionus, with, also, a, last, name with no genealogy whatsoever attached to it, which I thought was a weird thing for us to have in common.

>> Strange., Yeah., I, mean, there's, there's literally maybe 20 tobes in the whole world because yeah, my grandfather made that name up for very similar reasons.

>> This, is, so, much, fun., You, are, actually doing amazing. It's nothing like that

doing amazing. It's nothing like that night that you barely slept before your first major speaking engagement.

>> Right., You, really, did, read, the, book.

>> Of, course.

>> Good, on, you.

>> What?, You, think, I, would, fake, it?

>> I, don't, know.

>> Shame.

>> Shame., Shame, on, people, who, collaborate with people and don't actually read their book ahead of time.

>> Well,, I, didn't, watch, your, videos,, so >> that's, fine.

>> I, am, the, beta, linest, today,, so, I, fully accept that that's going to be what happens. Uh what else is going to happen

happens. Uh what else is going to happen is we are actually going to build a computer at some point here. And if you watched our last video, that's fine you didn't, but if you have your computer then this may be familiar to you. We are

starting with an AMD Thread Ripper. this

time a 9960X.

This is a 24 core, 48thread CPU that I imagine is going to absolutely rip it up for writing emails.

>> It's, not, the, only, thing, I, do,, but, I, do spend a lot of time actually reading emails more than writing them because >> you, can, fit, so, much, email, in, this, bad boy. But of course, you do have some

boy. But of course, you do have some high performance demanding needs like say for example >> yeah,, I, do, compile, the, kernel, a, lot., So,

uh, it's part of my test requirements that when I merge other people's code because I don't code myself very much anymore, one of the things I do between

every single merge is compile the whole kernel with every module I can. And

that's where you want something fairly powerful.

>> And, I, mean,, I'm, sure,, you, know,, Nvidia is probably working on a way to make code compilation GPU accelerated, but is CPU still the way to go?

>> Yeah., and, I, can, use, as, many, cores, as they can give me.

>> Why, did, we, cheap, out, on, him?

>> Oh,, because, I, also, I, actually, I, mean people asked me what I want and I was like I don't want the crazy high-end because I want it to be quiet and reliable and not like

insane in any particular direction. So

you know what? We actually take a very similar approach with our editing workstations. The, you know, the writers

workstations. The, you know, the writers or whatever, they can play around with the latest generation stuff. They're

always one step down because I just want it to work.

>> I, think, I've, never, I've, always, wanted, to have something that just is reliable.

And that's to me, I mean, that comes first. It needs to be something I can

first. It needs to be something I can trust and work with. And then within that envelope, it needs to perform well and not be crazy bleeding edge.

>> And, he's, letting, me, build, it.

>> Yeah,, that, may, be., Let's, see., I'm, having way too much fun today. This is like the best day I've had in the office in like a very long time. Seriously. Okay

I'm sorry. I said I would stop. I'm I'm

Okay, I'm done. I'm done. Choosing a

motherboard for Linux is pretty straightforward. You want all of the

straightforward. You want all of the usual things you want out of a motherboard. Nice robust cooling, good

motherboard. Nice robust cooling, good power delivery, all the IO that you want, but of course, you want to make sure that all of the onboard components are supported by Linux. One of the big

things that we looked for in a platform for you was support for ECC memory as well.

>> Yeah.

>> Can, you, talk, a, little, bit, about, why that's so important?

>> I, don't, understand, why, people, don't require ECC in their machines because being able to trust your machine is like the number one thing and without ECC

your memory will go bad. It's not a question of when it's or it is a question of when. I mean it just might take a few years. So when I built the machine, you apparently shot a video

around. I could not get ECC and I said

around. I could not get ECC and I said whatever, I'll I'll get reasonable RAM.

And uh it worked fine. It worked fine for a couple of years. And then two years goes by and uh I start seeing

oopses. I start seeing segmentation

oopses. I start seeing segmentation violations. I'm obviously doing this on

violations. I'm obviously doing this on a modern Linux kernel that is being developed right now. And my first reaction is, "Oh no, we have a bug." And

I spent days on trying to figure out what the bug was until I just realized, no, it wasn't a bug at all. It was my machine was not reliable.

>> So, for, you,, this, is, not, a, question, of, you know, I have to reboot my system because my game crashed.

>> Correct.

>> This, is, a, question, of, I, am, working, on software that millions of people around the world rely on. I need to know >> right?, I, I, absolutely, need, to, trust, my

>> right?, I, I, absolutely, need, to, trust, my machine. And and

machine. And and I mean, it's a big thing. And I'm

convinced that all the jokes about how unstable Windows is and blue screening I guess it's not a blue screen anymore.

A big percentage of those were not actually software bugs. A big percentage of those are hardware being not reliable. And uh I mean in the gaming

reliable. And uh I mean in the gaming community you also do overclocking so you get extra unreliability from that.

You will find articles that talk about how DDR has ECC built in. But no no it doesn't.

>> It, really, does, not., Some, of, them, have ECC on the chips themselves but then if something goes wrong between the DIM and the CPU you will never know. So you need

to have endtoend ECC. I actually think that's one of the more egregious marketing claims of our current era here.

>> I, I, I, find, that, so, irritating., It's, a thing with me. I I do not touch machines that don't have ECC.

>> Well,, this, one, does., Thanks,, Kingston, for sending this over. I know you hate voicemail.

>> Yeah, >> that's, another, thing, that, we, can, bond over.

>> I, hate >> Well,, I, don't, hate, voicemail, as, much, as I hate Zoom calls and things like that.

I I would not have gone through CO if I had to like Zoom call every day like some people I know because I would have I mean there's no way.

>> Maybe, don't, include, that, part., But

>> see,, I, must, have, done, this,, but, I, don't remember.

>> Oh,, wait., Why, am, I, building, your computer? You know how to build

computer? You know how to build computers.

>> I, don't, build, computers, anymore.

Literally, it's 5 years since I built my last one. If you want me to build

last one. If you want me to build something, I actually This is what I built. I brought it for you. We're

built. I brought it for you. We're

getting show and tell.

>> We're, getting, show, and, tell., This, I built.

>> Hold, on., Okay,, let, me, try, and, figure, it out. Let me try and figure it out. Hold

out. Let me try and figure it out. Hold

on. Okay, it has a button. It has a dial. It has power.

dial. It has power.

>> Oh,, it's, a, guitar, effects, pedal., It's, a bad one, don't get me wrong. It's a

horribly, horribly bad one. You'd never

use this in real life, right?

>> But, I, enjoy, designing, these, things., And

I actually solder these small pieces myself. I built this at home.

myself. I built this at home.

Oh, these do help you see better. But do

these make me look smarter?

>> I, can't, tell, them, apart.

>> Do, I, look, like, the, smart, Linus, now?

>> No.

>> Now,, tell, me, this., Is, there, footage, of you using this and showing what it sounds like?

>> Oh,, hell, no., That's, never, going, to happen. Uh I I don't actually play

happen. Uh I I don't actually play guitar.

>> Oh,, there, you, have, it., Soon, to, be available uh from uh Lennis Torvald's guitar accessories.com. This is like the

guitar accessories.com. This is like the LTP store except bad quality.

>> Oh,, did, we, get, him, some, stuff?, Does, he have a care package? By the way, there's no pressure to take any of the stuff from the store. If you don't like it you just say you don't like it and we'll work hard. We'll make something better

work hard. We'll make something better for you later. Um, and this is not an endorsement in any way. It's just a gift. He doesn't have to say anything

gift. He doesn't have to say anything nice. In fact, you don't even have to

nice. In fact, you don't even have to look at it right now.

>> No,, it, looks, like, a, perfectly, chrome bag.

>> Now,, that, is, a, reference.

>> That's, an, endorsement., That, is, a reference that I personally appreciate very, much., The, next, thing, we're, going to

very, much., The, next, thing, we're, going to need is some storage. Last time around you went with a giant 4 TBTE storage drive and ended up using like few

hundred megs out of it. Yeah.

>> So,, I, wanted, to, ask,, okay,, why, is, that?

Do you have like a a NAS that you use for archival storage or what's your what's your data storage approach?

>> Right., No,, my, data, storage, approach, is, I upload it on the internet and if it's worth saving, somebody else will save it for me.

>> Clearly,, you, specifically, requested, that we have a reference to either Highlander or Mad Max in the intro. So, you must enjoy films, but you don't back up anything yourself.

>> No., No., And, I, mean,, everybody, does, video streaming these days. I mean

>> of, course, >> nobody, does.

>> Nobody, downloads, Linux, ISOs., I, mean, I mean Linux size I mean >> even, a, Linux, ISO, is, whatever, a, few hundred megs.

>> Um >> how, many, of, those, do, you, have, on, your computer right now?

>> Well,, let, me, depending, on, the, way, you mean it. So Linux ISOs is a slang for

mean it. So Linux ISOs is a slang for pirated media.

>> Oh,, see, I, am, so, naive, in, some, ways., I

tried to get him to do the excuse me I'd like to interject for a moment, but he didn't he didn't get the reference or didn't think it was funny or something.

I tried you guys.

>> If, you've, enjoyed, what, you've, seen, so far, we have a ton of exclusives over on Flowplane, including some behind the scenes and even some staff hanging out with Linus to ask him some questions. Go

check it out at lmg.gg/flowplane.

I mean, I'd like to interject for a moment, though. Our community submitted

moment, though. Our community submitted some questions and you were just talking both about Linux and Git and they want to know out of your two most famous brainchildren which one are you most

proud of? Oh, Linux by far. I don't

proud of? Oh, Linux by far. I don't

think people understand how little I did for Git. I did just the basic initial

for Git. I did just the basic initial design and hey, I'm proud of that. I I

think uh git does things really well and the design is good and so much better than anything that came before it >> only, a, little, bit, proud, of, There's, there

is pride there don't get me wrong but at the same time I worked on git for 6 months and the moment I found somebody

who I felt could take it over I threw it over the fence and said you go right and Juno has done a admirable job and he's

been working on it for 20 years I didn't work on it for 20 years to me it was something I needed for Linux and Linux is is my child

>> so, that's, like, having, a, second, child, so that you could enhance your first child.

>> I, worry, about, your, children >> with, spare, parts, maybe.

>> Then, why, did, you, have, three, Lionus?

>> Literally, I, I, started, get, I, did, never, I never wanted to do source control management. I felt it was almost as

management. I felt it was almost as boring as databases. I never want to do databases. I mean in the same way I

databases. I mean in the same way I don't think you ever really wanted to make an operating system though did you?

>> No., Operating, systems, are, really interesting. I all my computing life

interesting. I all my computing life I've done things close to hardware. I'm

not a hardware person per se but I love exploring the interface between software and hardware. And I mean when I started

and hardware. And I mean when I started that's the only way you could do things.

I, mean, you, you, got, a, home, PC, in, in, ' 81 or whatever it was my first one. And

there were no abstraction layers. If you

wrote anything, you wrote it to the hardware. You made it make sounds. You

hardware. You made it make sounds. You

made it print stuff to the screen.

>> There, is, a, line, in, here, where, you, say that if someone else had done it right you wouldn't have felt the need to create Linux. Do you still feel that

create Linux. Do you still feel that way?

>> Yes., Yes., I, I, mean,, I'm, perfectly, happy being lazy, and if somebody else does some something better than than I, why would I try to recreate that? I I needed

an operating system and that's why I started doing it. But if if it hadn't been an operating system, it would probably have been something else close to hardware.

>> Right., Speaking, of, hardware,, maybe, we should build a computer here for a second. Um Oh, our cooler. You've talked

second. Um Oh, our cooler. You've talked

about this very briefly already, but to you and this is another Linux thing in common.

I love using computers. I hate hearing them. Oh, yeah. So, we got you an NHU12S

them. Oh, yeah. So, we got you an NHU12S TR5- SP6.

>> What, a, catchy, name.

>> I, know., They, really, have, nailed, down, the engineering way of naming things. These

guys are pure engineering all day, every day.

>> This, may, be, very, similar, to, what, I, have on my Yep, that looks kind of similar. I

mean I mean it's a heat sink. They all

look the same.

>> It's, a, perfectly, chromulent, wheel., We

didn't feel the need to uh reinvent it.

While I'm installing this, you have said no, never with regards to water cooling.

>> I, mean,, I, that, sounds, stronger, than, I would have gone. I'm not interested in water cooling mainly because I feel it

has the potential to be both less reliable than regular air cooling and uh people have issues with it gurgling

which I find to be a more annoying sound than like a nice big fan that just has a background whooshing sound.

>> That, is, very, fair., How, about, the, next time we do this?

>> Yep., I, mean,, you, can, you, can, prove, me wrong.

>> I, I'll, I'll, try, you, out.

>> I'll, try, you, out., Because, what's, nice about water cooling is because you can get so much more surface area, you can run the fans barely spinning at all and

some of the pumps are really nice and there's accessories that you can get to hook them up in tandem. So, you get redundancy. It's like ECC

redundancy. It's like ECC >> but, you, don't, get, the, redundancy, for things growing in your cooling fluids and stuff like that.

>> He, does, watch, our, videos.

>> I've, I've, seen, people, with, green, stuff in there or leaking on your entire server rack.

>> That's, bad,, too.

>> Listen, >> his, whole, server, rack, just, covered.

>> Oh,, okay., Yeah., All, right.

>> I'm, still, trying, to, convince, you.

>> Yeah,, we're, trying, to, get, him, back.

>> Yeah., Way, to, go,, Elijah., Yeah,, I, assume this is a special see-through LTT tech screwdriver.

>> You, better, believe, it., What, do, you think?

>> I, just, like, seeing, inside, technology, and stuff.

>> Oh,, nice, strategy., Oh,

>> our, community, wanted, to, know, what, you, do to relax.

>> I, read, less, than, I, used, to,, but, that's still what I do these days. I mean, this is part of it. I just design pointless stuff. There's no pressure there. I

stuff. There's no pressure there. I

actually don't think I have a very stressful life.

>> How, much, of, that, do, you, think, is attitude though? Because you do bring up

attitude though? Because you do bring up that as the user base grew, you did feel more pressure >> right?, I, mean,, part, of, it, is, we, have, I

>> right?, I, mean,, part, of, it, is, we, have, I wouldn't say perfected, but almost perfected the workflow. Uh we've used the same workflow for the kernel now for

20 years. And it's not just git, it's

20 years. And it's not just git, it's the whole release schedule. It's

everything around it. And that means that you when you know what's going on and you kind of it's it's a predictable workflow. It's it's no big surprises.

workflow. It's it's no big surprises.

That's not stressful. And technical

problems are not stressful either because technology you can fix, right?

And we're good at that. The main source of stress for me tends to be uh people.

People you I mean I'm not a people person famously, right?

>> Nvidia, you And uh people are strange and and you can't fix people.

>> I, think, we're, ready, for, the, case., In

which case >> wow, >> that, was, that, was, terrible., Don't, even give me a reaction for that. I deserve

nothing. Uh Elijah, I want to hit us with one of our other community questions.

>> If, you, could, start, Linux, development, all over again, what would you do differently?

>> So,, there's, two, answers, to, that., One, is now that I know how hard it is, I would never have gotten started in the first place, right? You you need to have a

place, right? You you need to have a certain amount of naive to do something this big. The flip side of that answer

this big. The flip side of that answer is I would not do a thing differently because it worked so well and it's been such an enjoyable experience. I've been

very lucky in my life. I was at a startup for seven years and I never felt that I was the smartest person in the room and I never want to feel that.

Right.

>> Right.

>> You, want, to, be, surrounded, by, people, more competent than you. Right. Because

otherwise what's the point?

>> What, brought, you, here?

>> Well,, sometimes, it, makes, you, feel, good to be the smartest person in the room.

>> Uh, that's, a, burn, on, you,, too.

>> I'm, still, hysterical.

>> The, license, choice., I, still, stand, by 100%. I love the GPL version two. I

100%. I love the GPL version two. I

think it's it was the right license and it still is the right license. Now, this

isn't one of our planned questions, but have you ever thought about how much people have profited from Linux? Do you

have any idea?

No, but I I have said that I feel very good about the fact that I now have two different projects

that I started that both created billion-dollar companies.

>> I, think, billion, is, an, understatement.

>> Yes., But, I, mean,, clearly, they, people built billion-dollar companies on top of both of my big projects.

>> And, and, some, people, ask, me,, "Doesn't that make you feel bad?" And I'm like "No, you're not getting it. That makes

me feel really good because that means that what I did was worthwhile and meaningful, right?" Does it weird you

meaningful, right?" Does it weird you out a little bit that the largest entity known for for for Git at this point more

broadly in terms of the user base is owned by Microsoft? It's strange in a historical context, right?

>> But, it's, it's, kind, of, funny, at, the, same time, >> right?, And, and, what, I, find, even, funnier

>> right?, And, and, what, I, find, even, funnier is that so it turns out these days I think Microsoft makes more money of their cloud

>> than, they, do, of, like, Windows, which, is like what I grew up with them being known Windows behemoth >> and, and, it, turns, out >> the, majority, of, the, Microsoft, cloud, runs

Linux.

>> So, so, we're, we're, friends,, right?, The

rivalry took some more time, but that went away too and I'm very happy with that.

>> I, mean,, I, think, that, depends, who, you ask. Um, now that Linux is coming in a

ask. Um, now that Linux is coming in a big way for gaming, there are certainly people at Microsoft, particularly in the Xbox division, who are feeling pretty

combative and defensive about that. I

can tell you that much.

>> Yeah,, I'm, obviously, not, a, gamer,, so, I, I don't see that part. But

>> you, did, make, some, games.

>> Oh,, very, bad, ones., Yes., No., But, I, mean, if you're a teenager and you're into computers, you will make a game. I mean

that's that's what you do.

>> What?, Didn't, you, make, one,, Lion?

>> No., Are, you, sure?

>> Yes.

>> Okay.

>> Well,, if, you're, competent, and, a, teenager and into computers, you make a game. Uh

>> there, are, different, kinds, of, competency.

>> I, met, a, girl, when, I, was, a, teenager.

>> Fair, enough., Now,, you, were, pretty surprised to see that we had like a product lineup, and that is a larger part of our our business these days, but I just I pulled this out to open up a box, and I thought you might like it.

This is actually made by another creator team, Evan and Caitlyn. Slide up. There

you go. And then slide it back.

>> Oh,, yeah.

>> Isn't, that, cute?

>> I, actually, know, who, you, were, talking about because I may not watch yours.

>> What, the, heck?, Like,, every, other YouTuber you mention, I know them, but >> how, is, that, even, possible?, We, share, a name.

Uh, I now I've seen your videos, too.

But you're talking about the guys or the couple who does like they do the pumpkin thing every year. That's where I know them from.

>> Yeah.

>> So,, this, is, their, product.

>> You, could, stab, somebody, with, this, and you'd have fun doing it.

>> Would, you, prefer, that, or, the, samurai sword?

>> It's, been, It, would, take, longer., Yeah.

what that >> it's, a, very, cool, thing, for, me, to, see others in the in the creator space kind of parlaying what they learn sort of

doing things with uh I I see and I know it's owned by Google but I see YouTube as almost like a like an opening up of knowledge in the same way that open

source is that just was not available before and it's just it's very cool to me to see people >> taking, the, knowledge, they, gain, from, this giant repository and just creating

things. It's uh Yeah. So, I wanted to

things. It's uh Yeah. So, I wanted to shout them out cuz I haven't actually talked about this yet. I bought one.

They offered to give me one. I said

"You, know what?, That's, so, cool., I, can't take it from you. Um I'll buy one." I

guess this goes in here now. Elijah, do

you want to hit us with another community question?

>> Was, there, ever, a, moment, that, you, got, so close to just walking away and being done with developing Linux?

>> No., No., I, mean,, there's, been, many,, many, many moments where like I walk away and I just say that, hey, I I'm fed up. It

might be some technical problem that I just been hitting my head against the wall or it might be like just somebody who annoys me and I'll walk away and

I'll take a long warm bath and read a book because I'm like, I need to relax.

I need to just walk away from this. But

it's always with the knowledge that hey tomorrow morning I'll be there fresh as roses.

>> Okay,, we're, going, to, go, a, little, deeper now. I do think that when you do things

now. I do think that when you do things that are consequential the other things can start to feel inconsequential and therefore boring. Do

you feel that if you reach the stage where you're not you don't feel needed with Linux that it'll be very difficult?

>> I, hope, not.

I mean, I definitely don't want to be the guy who halts on to something. And

I've always said that if somebody better comes along, I'll step aside. And I I really hope that's true. Uh, okay. Well

I wired up your bottom fans, and maybe now is a good time for us to talk about your case. SO, THIS THE FRACTAL Torrent

your case. SO, THIS THE FRACTAL Torrent was chosen because it has two gigantor fans in the front. Scandinavian design.

That's sort of what they're >> I'm, hoping, I, see, there's, a, mesh, there.

So there's a mesh dust will not go in.

>> Oh,, this, is, not, on, our, scheduled questions, but cats or dogs?

>> Both., I, don't, count, cats, and, dogs, even as pets. They they become family

as pets. They they become family members.

>> Um, dogs, maybe, even, more, so, than, cats, even though I started out with cats.

>> But, then, you, have, pets, like >> rats, and, gerbles, and, fish., Oh,, fish aren't even pets. Fish. Fish are pests.

I don't understand people who do aquariums. >> But, we're, not, judging.

>> No,, I, mean, >> no,, it's, not, you., It's, not, a, Linus, thing to be judgmental.

>> Yeah., Okay.

>> Sorry.

>> No,, we've, had, everything., Uh,, rats, were great.

>> I've, heard, they're, awesome.

>> They, are., I, mean,, we >> the, the, biggest, problem, with, the, rats was that they only live for three years and that broke my daughter's heart, and she said, "Never again." because they don't live long enough, too.

>> And, and, they, they, like, they, bond, and they're so social.

>> They, are, very, social., They're, they're fun. They're they're nice creatures.

fun. They're they're nice creatures.

>> Did, you, know, that, Alberta,, Canada,, is the only place on Earth other than I believe the Antarctic continent where there are no rats? I

>> think, Canadians, might, be, overly, proud, of this because maybe it's because even rats don't want to live.

>> That's, crazy.

>> Sorry., Yeah,, you, need, to, cut, that, out.

But >> Oh,, no., That's, hilarious., I, love, it., I

love it.

>> See,, what, I, was, what, I, was, teeing, myself up for was they were erraticated, but his was better.

>> Okay,, I, think, our, next, order, of, business is power.

We went very overkill.

>> Okay,, I, see, that., 1600, watts.

>> That, is, the, Prime, TX.

Basically, >> it's, a, big, box, and, it's, gonna, fit, there.

>> Oh,, yeah.

>> Okay.

>> Oh,, yeah., That'll, be, fine., And, what, we liked about this was you like reliability.

>> Y >> 12-year, warranty., And, we, both, like silence and because it's so efficient and rated for so much power, that fan is

unlikely to ever even spin. Very good.

You know, power supplies matter. They're

They may not be the sexiest part of a computer, but they do matter.

>> That's, what, I, tell, my, wife, about my power supply.

>> Wow.

I'm going to switch spots with you. I'm

going to Whoa. Which one's which now?

Okay. Okay. I couldn't get him to do the I'd like to interject, but can you just stand there for a second and then just point at me?

>> Oh,, you're, going, to, dub, over, this.

>> No,, no,, no,, no,, no,, no., This, is, for, the Spider-Man meme.

>> I, don't, do, social, media,, so, I, don't, do the memes.

>> The, Spider-Man's, point, at, each, other, and they're both Spider-Man. Don't worry

about it.

>> It'll, it'll, be, great.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah.

>> I'm, trying, to, actually, build, it., Elijah,

save me. Hit me with a couple of rapid fire questions. Is it pronounced GIF or

fire questions. Is it pronounced GIF or GIF?

>> Oh,, it's, GIF., No.

>> YES., YES.

>> NO,, I'm, kidding., It's, GIF.

>> I, actually, got, this, question., Not, this question, but somebody sent me an email asking me if Git is with a hard G or a soft G like GIF.

>> And, I, was, like,, don't, don't, even, make that joke.

>> Okay., Hit, us, with, another, one., Elijah,

>> you, were, talking, about, it, earlier, walking away from Linux briefly. Well

what happens to Linux if you just die?

>> Wow, >> what, a, weird, way, to, ask, that.

>> That's, what, the, community, wanted, to know.

>> The, traditional, question, is, actually, if you get hit by a bus.

>> Oh, >> the, implication, is, that, I, die., But

>> okay,, can, we, redo, the, take, then?

>> No,, no,, you're, stuck, with, it, now., Uh,

you asked Lennis Torvald's that question. I

question. I >> You, have, to, live, with, that.

>> No,, the, community.

>> Unless, you, just, die.

>> Well,, wait.

You, know what?, We, have, such, a, healthy development community, it's it's ridiculous. Most other open- source

ridiculous. Most other open- source projects have like a couple of people involved. If it's a healthy community

involved. If it's a healthy community they might have tens. We have a thousand people involved in every single release.

And we do releases every nine months every nine weeks. If I fall down and die or my plane crashes on the way back home from >> Oh,, I, don't, want, to, be, responsible, for

that.

>> That, would, kill, my, reputation completely.

>> Well,, but, then, you, can, do, the, intro, with the swords and and make it really impressive right?

>> Oh,, lordy.

>> There it, can, be, only, one., and, I, killed the other one. On the internet, nobody has good taste, so it it would become a meme, I'm sure.

>> Is, this, you, approving, that, we, can, do that then?

>> Oh,, yeah., Absolutely., If, I'm, dead,, I won't care.

>> Okay,, speaking, of, you're, dead, and, won't be able to, I guess, consent to it.

>> What?, Necroilia, now.

>> No,, no,, that's, not, where, I, WAS, GOING.

>> JESUS.

>> THAT'S, NOT, WHERE, I, was, going., I, was going to go into the topic about AI and generative AI. Is it a bubble or is it a

generative AI. Is it a bubble or is it a computing revolution? I mean it's clear

computing revolution? I mean it's clear it's clearly both right it's clearly a bubble and at the same time it's very interesting and I think it will change society and I think it will change how

most skilled jobs get done at the same time I don't think it's as revolutionary as people make it out to be I want to specifically talk about AI with respect

to coding and particularly vibe coding what are your thoughts on an AI model being trained on the work of real people like in in the artistic community

rightfully angry that the AI never would have been able to do anything without the large scale theft of work. So what

is your take on on that? I'm like that's reality. Deal with it. That genie is out

reality. Deal with it. That genie is out of the bottle. You're not you're not getting it back. And you're not getting it back whether you are a photographer who's out of work. Those things are

gone, right? because you can fake

gone, right? because you can fake pictures so much better now or you're a programmer that has to learn to deal with a new reality. I think actually on

the programming side, we're in a fairly good spot. I really think that AI will

good spot. I really think that AI will be a tool and it will make people more productive. I think that vibe coding is

productive. I think that vibe coding is great for getting into programming. I

think it's going to be a horrible thing to maintain. Right.

to maintain. Right.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Right., So, I, don't, think, programmers, go away. You still want to have the people

away. You still want to have the people who know how to maintain the end result.

I'm a huge believer in AI. I'm not a huge believer in the the whole things going on around AI. I I find the market

marketing and the market to be sick and twisted and and there is going to be a crash and it's not it's going to be ugly.

>> Not, financial, advice.

>> No,, no,, no., No, financial, advice.

>> Speaking, of, companies, that, are, growing exponentially, uh we opted not for one of their GPUs.

>> Wow,, what, a, segue, again.

>> This, to, be, fair,, I, have, to, say, I famously uh was not a huge fan of Nvidia.

>> You, Mhm., Yes,, that >> but, the, AI, thing, has, actually, made things so much better because it turns out Nvidia cares about

>> well, where, the, money, comes., Turns, out, >> it, turns, out, that, is, always, the, case.

>> That, was, a, big, surprise, for, us.

>> But, what, you, uh, didn't, choose, was, the classic Linux-, which is a Radeon card.

You specifically requested an Intel Arc which is going to raise at least a few eyebrows into a shape like a Ark.

>> Thanks,, Elijah., You, know, what?, Let's

keep you. Let's put you on the boat with uh two of everything.

>> OH,, THE, ARK., YEAH,, LET'S, GO.

>> WOW., It, never, ends.

>> According, to, Wikipedia, back, in, 2006, little outdated, it was estimated that your code was about 2% of the Linux kernel.

>> Oh,, yeah.

>> If, you, had, to, guess, now,, or, if, you, know, what percentage would you say it is today?

>> The, first, version, of, Linux, was, like 10,000 lines. I'm sure I've written code

10,000 lines. I'm sure I've written code since then, but but there's been thousands of people involved. And what I do these days is I

involved. And what I do these days is I don't write code. Sometimes I write code snippets and send them out as emails and saying something like this in the hopes that somebody else will then write the final tested code and send it back to

me.

>> Hey,, that's, another, thing, Lionuses, do, is send crappy incomplete emails for other people to do the work.

>> Yeah., No,, that's, that's, my, life., Lines

of code is not something you should ever attribute any importance to.

>> Yeah., So, like, when, we, have, 5, million lines of code for uh hardware descriptions, they're actually generated

from the literal hardware descriptions that AMD uses to do their car.

>> What's, more, important, is, your, linus, of codes and we have one of those.

>> The, puns., The, puns,, they, keep, on, coming.

There was a recent thing from a major tech company where uh developers were asked to say how many lines of code they wrote and if it wasn't enough they were terminated. And there was someone here

terminated. And there was someone here that was extremely upset about that approach to measuring productivity because >> Oh, yeah., Now, you, shouldn't, even, be, upset at that point. That's just incompetence.

Anybody who thinks that's a valid metric is too stupid to work at a tech company.

You do know who you just said that about right?

>> No.

>> Oh., Uh,, he, was, a, prominent, figure, in, the um improved efficiency of the US government recently.

>> Oh,, apparently, I, was, spot, on.

>> Is, this, up, to, your, standards?, If, I, just kind of get these strapped down here then are we good? Is it Scandinavian enough?

>> I, have, somebody, to, blame., If, somebody ever makes fun of my machine, I like I had nothing to do with it. Oh, well

that's a lot of pressure.

>> It, was, Lionus's, fault.

>> Yeah., Nice., Damn,, that, didn't, work.

>> You, were, traveling, just, before, this trip. How often do you get to travel uh

trip. How often do you get to travel uh for your line of work or have to?

>> Um,, yeah., Whoever, wrote, that, question doesn't realize that it's not get to travel, it's it's a pain. One year

fairly early on I was counting the days I was away from home and I was away more than half the year and that's also the year I decided never again and this was

literally this must have been 30 years ago. This was when I was still living in

ago. This was when I was still living in Finland. I don't enjoy traveling for

Finland. I don't enjoy traveling for work., Uh, these, days, at least, I, travel, in

work., Uh, these, days, at least, I, travel, in business class so that if I do the long overseas ones I can lay flat and try to

sleep through flights. That makes it bearable but it doesn't make it fun. I

don't tend to enjoy big cities. I mean

some of them are interesting. I still

enjoy going to Tokyo for some I don't know why Tokyo is one of those cities that even as a big city is actually >> it's, got, so, much, character.

>> Yes., It, it, it, does, things, differently.

>> So,, this, question, was, supposed, to transition us into saying, "Thank you so much for coming up here. I

>> to, the, big, city, of, Vancouver."

>> Well,, no,, but, I, was, blown, away, when, we arranged for this and I was ready to move heaven and earth and bring everything to you and you were just like, "Oh, yeah. Well, no. I mean, I

guess I'll just come up to you guys."

That >> means, but, it, makes, so, much, more, sense.

And honestly, I as I told Fake Lenus here, um I I actually enjoy doing something different.

>> He, compared, this, experience, to, a, pre- Academy Awards uh dinner gala thing as well as flying in a fighter jet.

>> Well,, I, didn't, compare, this, to, that., You

mentioned those things >> in, the, same, sentence.

>> Yes., No,, it, is, one, of, the, things, I, have enjoyed uh as part of Linux has been that I've been able to do things that most people don't get to do. Right. And

most people don't get to come and have >> fake, leaners, build, a, computer, for, them.

>> That's, right.

>> So,, this, is, actually, fun.

>> It, sounds, like, Please, don't, sound, like you have a gun to your head off camera.

>> No,, no,, no,, no,, no., I, love, it., I, love it. Honestly, that would be the that

it. Honestly, that would be the that would be if we weren't if we didn't still have a lot to do. That would be like the best final line of the video.

>> This, was, fun.

>> Fun.

>> This, is, one, people, wanted.

Lionus or Linus.

>> So,, if, you, speak, Swedish, to, me, >> it's, Linus.

>> Oh,, okay., I, don't, even, know, what, they've >> Oh,, no., I, didn't., Oh,, and, he's, going, to leave.

That's okay. The video can be building 65% of a computer with a store.

>> When, I, moved, to, the, US, and, started speaking English, I I started saying Lionus.

>> Even, coming, over, here, and, interacting with English- speakaking people, most of them don't know how to pronounce our name. Anyway, so if you have to correct

name. Anyway, so if you have to correct them anyway.

>> Oh,, but, I, don't, want, to, correct, them.

Like I don't go by TWS because nobody can pronounce TWS.

>> Don't, even, try., Right.

But after I spoke such fluent Swedish >> before, coming, into, this,, did, you, know anything or did you search anything about my personal Linux hy jinks that I've experienced?

>> Why, are, the, two, columns, open, source, and installed? So, I consciously did not uh

installed? So, I consciously did not uh search after I mean, I've heard of you.

Don't I mean, I made fun of the fact that that I knew all the other YouTubers, but uh yes, I I knew of you and I'd seen videos of you, but at the

same time, I did not want to come in here having researched the hardware or researched you. I have accidentally

researched you. I have accidentally deleted my entire guey without realizing what I was doing. Hey

>> that, was, something.

>> I've, done, that.

>> And, I, have, to, type, yes,, do, as, I, say, in order to install it. And maybe it will install and launch. Now, what is the point of having a Oh

>> I, managed, to, completely, brick, an install. Um, trying to do something as

install. Um, trying to do something as simple as install Steam.

>> What, are, you, talking, about?, I've, done nothing with this other than install that hard info thing.

>> How, did, this, line, up, with, your expectations for today? I didn't really have a lot of expectations. I I'm not saying the expectations were low. I I'm

saying they they were non-existent. It's

like I didn't know much expect >> right?, You're, a, groundbreaking, YouTuber.

>> right?, You're, a, groundbreaking, YouTuber.

That's what the message here is. You are

you are changing the world.

>> That's, a, great, sound, bite., Let's, just, do the whole video with just that. See?

>> Yeah.

>> Okay., So,

>> 15, seconds., So,, this, is, basically, this is basically on you now because if you give a reporter a sound bite like that obviously they're going to cut all the rest of the part where they say they had literally zero expectations of you.

>> Maybe, that's, that's, why, there's, so little video of me because people decided, "Yep, we're better off without this."

this." >> Do, you, want, to, do, the, honors?, Here, we go. Let me get it.

go. Let me get it.

>> Don't, miss, it., You, missed, it., There's, a fan rubbing. Elijah

fan rubbing. Elijah >> you, closed, the, side, panel,, sir.

>> I, cursed, it, when, I, closed, the, side panel. I knew it. That's that gentle

panel. I knew it. That's that gentle whooshing sound you asked for. Right.

>> That's, Yeah., No,, it's, like, a, cat, purring in your lap.

>> When, we, tested, it,, it, was, not, making that sound. So, I am blaming you

that sound. So, I am blaming you building it.

>> Wait,, I, see, it.

>> It, is, the, fan.

>> It, fell, out, of, It, fell, out, of, the, uh little cable management groove. We got

this. Everything is fine. Everything is

saved. 64 gigs of RAM all showing up.

That's a good sign. That means all of our pads are contacting the pins in the motherboard socket. are

motherboard socket. are >> okay., Try, with, the, XMPP, profile, enabled.

>> okay., Try, with, the, XMPP, profile, enabled.

Just try it. See you.

>> Living, on, the, wild, side., Hit, us, with, a rapid fire question.

>> This, one, on, our, Reddit, got, almost, 100, up votes. What do you prefer? Xbox

votes. What do you prefer? Xbox

PlayStation, or Nintendo Switch.

>> We, don't, have, an, Xbox., We, do, have, a PlayStation. I don't think it's been

PlayStation. I don't think it's been turned on in a year because it gets turned on for Christmas when the kids come back to town and they play whatever. They play Little Bigplet and

whatever. They play Little Bigplet and something else. We had a Nintendo. I

something else. We had a Nintendo. I

think we had a We had the Wii U. The The

odd one, right? The one that Yeah that'd be the Wii U.

>> Yeah., And, to, be, fair,, I've, played, games, too. I What's the Shoot the Dinosaurs

too. I What's the Shoot the Dinosaurs game?

>> Horizon., Um, Horizon, Zero, Dawn.

>> Yeah,, I, actually, like, that, a, lot.

>> Here's, something, cool., Horizon, Zero, Dawn was the first game I played all the way through on Linux.

>> Oh,, it, works, on, Linux, now.

>> Sure, does.

>> Okay., Yeah,, we're >> Let's, go.

>> Nobody, does, the, test, the, media., That

takes forever.

>> These, are, the, real, tech, tips., The, real Linus tech tips right here. Let's go. Do

you want to install Fedora? Fedora is

still your your distrib.

>> No,, I, mean, I, I, can, do, the, heavy, lifting and press that button. Thank you.

>> Well,, I, I, would, I, would, I, would, hate, to, you know, uh step on your Linux.

>> This, is, presumably, a, newer, version, than whatever I installed last time.

>> Why, Fedora?, They, being, very closely aligned to kernel developers.

They made things easier like Abuntu very much wanted to be like a consumer oriented thing and in the process when I tried it many many years ago they

literally made it hard for me to upgrade the kernel because that was not their target audience. So I said yeah this is

target audience. So I said yeah this is not for me clearly by design. And at the same time, there are the really tech oriented ones where >> by, the, way.

>> By, the, way, >> yeah, >> really, >> it's, a, it's, a, it's, a, thing.

>> It's, a, meme.

>> Oh, >> they'll, get, it., They'll, get, it.

>> They'll, get, it., I, don't, where, you compile your own everything. You compile

your own DRA.

>> And, again,, that, was, not, geared, for, me because I don't care about anything else than the kernel. So, the only thing I want to compile is my own kernel. So, I

want a DRO that just installs and just works and and the only thing I will replace is actually the kernel.

>> Follow-up, question, to, that, then, that, was on the Reddit was, do you think that the advantage of having a million different dros out there is also as disadvantage for Linux because there's so many

options out there >> right?, I, mean,, I, I, think, the

>> right?, I, mean,, I, I, think, the fragmentation has been a huge disadvantage over the years. If you're a commercial software developer, you don't have one

target, you have multiple targets.

>> And, it's, clearly, held things back. At the same time, I mean

things back. At the same time, I mean having the wild wild west kind of thing has its own advantages. And I think the open source community has worked very

well in this environment. It it just hasn't worked for everybody. I think all the major distros are very aware that it's a problem and they are they would

want to have a more unified like distribution but at the same time they all want that unified distribution to be their unified distribution. So

>> anytime, the, topic, of, I, want, to, set, up, a Linux computer comes up what should I pick and I don't think you could find two people that will ever give the same answer >> immediate, flame, war >> immediately, becomes, an, argument., So

>> I, think, it's, part, of, the, open, source history too.

>> We've, had, flame, wars, over, editors., Those

kind of died out. You have to have something that you believe passionately.

>> So, now, that, you've, said, Fedora, though, this is the only one that anyone's ever allowed to install again. Right.

>> Right., Right., Now, I, when, I'm, emperor, and king of the world >> it, will, be, Fedora.

>> It, will, be., Should, we, figure, out, this install thing?

>> We, can, try, flashing, another, drive, if, you want. I do think that maybe that is make

want. I do think that maybe that is make updating. I I just can't tell if it's

updating. I I just can't tell if it's moving.

>> So, then, what, I'll, let, you, do, is >> Yeah., Do, you, want, to, show, us, how, it's

>> Yeah., Do, you, want, to, show, us, how, it's done here?

>> Please.

>> It's, your, operating, system.

>> By, all, means.

>> This, has, never, been, more, true, than, right now in this moment. Well, let's

>> 43, live, ISO, sounds, about, right.

>> I, I, also, don't, know, how, to, flash, that image under Windows. So, you're you're on your own there. I I did the hard lifting here by >> are, you, okay >> pressing, the, download, button?

>> That's, a, lot, of, pressure.

>> What's, your, number, one, tech, tip, that, you give people?

>> I, don't, give, people, tech, tips, because >> I, mean, I, sit, in, my, office, reading, email and if somebody asks me over email for tech tips, I won't answer that. I mean

that's not the kind of questions.

>> I, think, they're, emailing, the, wrong, guy.

>> Yeah,, you, can, forward, it, to, me, if, you want.

>> Yeah,, right.

>> Stall, fedora., Boom., Oh,, he, crazy, as, a fox.

>> Wow., To, be, fair,, the, other, Lionus, did touch it in between. So, I think that cured it.

>> Yeah., Yeah.

>> Well,, do, you, encrypt, your, drive?

>> I, I, will, encrypt,, but, not, this, time around.

>> Got, it., Right., I, should, keep, this, drive cuz then I might have a Linux install that isn't cursed. I can't believe it took me this long to work up the courage to ask. I can't believe you responded in

to ask. I can't believe you responded in like 15 minutes or whatever it was.

>> Well,, that's, actually, a, rule, for, me.

Really? I either respond almost immediately or you won't get a response at all. I don't leave stuff in my

at all. I don't leave stuff in my compost pile of a mailbox.

>> That's, something, you, guys, don't, have, in common.

>> No,, I, I, use, my, inbox, as, like, a, like, a neverending garbage to-do list. I

actually like I like that a lot.

>> Okay,, good.

>> How, do, you, do, it?, Location, services, on or off?

>> I'm, okay., So, my, approach, to, privacy, has been that I'm so public that the more I can poison the that well the better off

I am. Don't try to make be worried about

I am. Don't try to make be worried about something. Just give it all out and be

something. Just give it all out and be so uninteresting that nobody cares.

>> What, would, be, some, of, the, first, things that you would set up?

>> I, have, my, own, background, which, is, not quite as cartoonish as this. It's just a photo I took a nighttime photo. Is there

any chance that we could get that background to share with people? Oh, you

don't have you don't have to. There's no

pressure or anything, but >> I, probably, have, it, on, my, phone., I, can send it to somebody.

>> And, then, if, anyone, wants, to, get, the official Minis desktop wallpaper >> do, you, have, Android, phones, so, that, you get full resolution photos?

>> You, got, to, believe, it.

>> So, that, was, one, of, the, questions, was iPhone or Android. And is there like a because it's, you know, has Linux as its backbone philosophical approach to choosing Now obviously part of it Yeah.

No. Uh

part of it is also I got free phones for a while for I mean people send me stuff.

>> That's, something, we, have, in, common.

>> Yeah., So, and, and, Apple, never, sent, me, a free phone for some strange reason.

>> We, have, that, in, common, too., Apple

doesn't like me.

>> Okay.

>> We, had, one, final, question, for, you.

>> Has, mainstream, acceptance, of, Linux become more important to you or is it enough that everyone's using it whether they know it or not? I actually don't even care. I the whole enough that they

even care. I the whole enough that they you use it. I don't care. I care deeply about users in the sense that a project that doesn't have users is pointless.

Right. Right.

>> So, users, do, give, any, project, and, my projects in particular meaning in that sense. But at the same time if you don't

sense. But at the same time if you don't use Linux that's again your bad choice.

I don't it's it's it's that's not on me.

As long as there are enough users that that what I do is meaningful and not just some mental masturbation, I'm fine.

>> And, you, know, what?, I, won't, feel, bad, if you don't use this product or service from our sponsor.

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>> No., No., There, will, be, no, Songs, of, Odo, the all-in-one business app subscription. Tell me

subscription. Tell me where are the others?

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>> No., I, Wait., No., How, are, you, doing, that?

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>> Wait.

NO.

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money and time. Got to plug the gaps.

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there's one way through and all in one solution. Yes, it's true. Listen when I

solution. Yes, it's true. Listen when I say that all you got to do is oh do this was amazing. This vastly exceeded my

amazing. This vastly exceeded my expectations. This was so cool. Um

expectations. This was so cool. Um

thank you so much on behalf of me, my team, the audience. I think you guys leave some love down in the comments below. Please, I mean, this was odd for

below. Please, I mean, this was odd for me. I I I've enjoyed it. Let's hope I

me. I I I've enjoyed it. Let's hope I enjoy it after I read the comments, too.

>> Yeah,, be, nice., Be, nice,, you, guys.

>> I, I, do, have, to, say,, I, mean,, one, of, the things having done this for 35 plus years, you learn to have a thick skin. I

probably had a thick skin to begin with but you get I get a lot of hate, too. I

mean, you said I'm universally loved.

No.

>> Well,, what, I, meant, is, throughout, the universe, there are people that love you.

>> Not, that, all, of, them, do., If, you, search the whole universe, you are bound to find