Insights on Life Purpose from Pre-Birth and NDE/OBE Experience | Christian Sundberg Interview

today my guest is Christian sunberg and you guys on a scale of one to ten I am an 11 excited to talk to Christian because it was over three years ago that

I encountered an interview unlike any interview I had ever heard before where he was talking with mayor Kelly and I'm gonna post this up here if you want to connect to Christians longer full story

he's going to tell a little bit of an Abridged version of his story today because we have so many questions I want to be able to ask him and has also written a book called A Walk in the physical which I have read and I highly

highly recommend and I'm going to share a way at the end that you can even get it for free foreign

[Music] welcome I am so excited to have you here thank you for joining me thank you so much it's great to be here

thank you so Christian um I'm gonna let you just go ahead and tell your story in whatever way you would like to share it because Christian is very unusual he remembers his

pre-birth prior to coming to this Earthly Incarnation he remembers many things about his soul before his Incarnation on Earth and I'm just excited from tell the story sure thank

you so um like you said I'll try to be brief because it it's it's a long story and but before I start I also want to say that words cannot possibly articulate

what I'm going to attempt to say that's really important to stay up front as a disclaimer because words are form you know they're symbols that belong to our local context and they're based in

the assumptions of our context here on Earth like linear time and discrete location and all these things that we take for granted our language is based on that world and we transcend it fully

so there is just no way that any language any utterance can possibly touch the our higher Natures or the higher spiritual context from which we come so

I just I have to say that first okay so um my body is 42 years old right now um I so when I was 30 years old I took up a long-term meditation practice

and much to my surprise after several months of meditating I began to have non-physical experiences out of body experiences and I also began to have pre-birth memory return to me I remember

choosing this life and why and it was just like the most normal thing in the world to have this come back to me it was like someone had just blown leaves off of the ground and there was the

grass it was just so normal unexceptional and yet it was so powerful so I'll try to share like just at a high level

um but again it's just so impossible to put into words so I remember long ago and when I say long ago I mean like eons and eons ago and yet simultaneously right now

uh I know that sounds strange but this memory is like a living state of being almost that occurred so far in the past and yet is occurring now of coming across a being who had been physical and

this is before I had had any physical incarnations and I was deeply deeply inspired by the quality of his his nature his Essence who he was

like what he was and I was like my goodness because you because in that state of being you can feel and share all of like our Natures

our telepathically exchanged and shared because we are ultimately one so even as we're individuated we we feel and know you know what it is to be the other

person in ourselves too because they're a part of us and so I asked him telepathically oh my goodness what how did you become this do you feel as much joy and freedom and

power as I feel that you feel and he shared yes and I felt in him all this amazing depth of being this quality of being and I said my goodness what could you

possibly have done to be this and to experience this and well he shared many things but one of the things he shared was that he had been physical and he shared one physical experience in

particular in which he had been suffering from a long-term illness of some kind some kind of pain that stuck with him for many years and the quality

with which he met that pain and that limitation allowed a certain refinement of his his being I don't know how else to describe

it and I was so inspired I said Okay I want to do that I want to do that and you know at first he kind of brushed me off almost like not in a negative way but kind of like yeah that's what they all say you you don't know how hard this

is hard in a way that you just don't understand and he just haven't been exposed to this it you just don't understand what this means I said no I mean it I want to do this and he said well go talk to your guides

so I did and I don't have right after that but I know I lived many times after that experience and okay so but then the majority of this pre-birth memories of a Time

somewhat immediately preceding this life or I had lived before I had taken a long break and I remember this guide coming to me over and over again and asking me if I was ready to go back yet are you

ready to go back yet are you ready to go back yet just every once in a while and just responding no no I'm not ready like like being hesitant to you know and end a long weekend or something I don't know

I mean it's a bad analogy but like I was just not ready yet and eventually I said okay I'm ready I I'm ready now and I reviewed with this guide what I can only

describe as my state like who I am and who I've been and like the qualities that I know I don't want to say like possess it's not

like that but there are areas that I have experienced and grown and integrated and evolved and others that I had not but there was really one obvious thing that I could see just very matter

of fact that I needed to work on I don't like the words work on either because that makes it sound like it's like like a to-do list or something it's not like that but I could see that there was this profound opportunity for growth and

expansion in one certain direction that before had bested me and overcome me and the best way I can describe it is it was a specific fear

that in the past had overcome me and there was a lifetime that it had it had overcome me and I had become a very egoic person and I had damaged many others in that experience

and so I could see even from there like the depth of the lowness of the vibration of

the sphere was so low that I was like is it even possible like is it even possible to integrate a vibration that that's that low to you know to really

integrate and come to a state of being an integrated state of being that's that low and I was shown yes and you have all time available to you to do so there's no hurry

and I just knew in my being well if it can be done I'll do it like if it can be done I will do it like I just knew my strength my my immortality my freedom my

my power my my life I knew it could be done which you know sounds strange to the human part of me sometimes you know knowing what I've experienced

but anyway so I knew that that was an incredible opportunity so they brought me a life that was appropriate for that intention to meet that fear and to integrate that low vibration

and I reviewed that life and I accepted that life and then I accepted what we call the veil which is just a term for the limitations in Consciousness space that go along with being incarnated and

having a body um it's like and this is so hard to describe but it's like it's like wearing a cloak or something that erases all of your memory and it

makes you feel disconnected from all knowing and disconnected from everything else and I like to describe it like a shift in vibration down from a very very high

state of being down to a low State like if you had a an amplifier or that's not the right term but you know some box that produces a pitch and it's and then you turn down the you know turn on the

dial down to the bottom and then when you get to the bottom you turn some more more and more and more lower lower lower and then more and then turns a lot more more more more more more more that's how it felt in the in the body of my

awareness to go from this state of incredibly High vibration down down down down down lower lower into the state of being that felt like like arriving to a

vacuum like the vacuum of space and yet simultaneously very dense and small and and just incredibly dense

so so I had that experience for this lifetime I'm describing but it wasn't this lifetime it was it was just before this and I arrived there and within moments I

was like I am not doing this there is no there is no flipping way I am going to endure this this vibration is so low I I don't feel like myself I've lost everything and I had a whole bunch of

fear rise up I just had so much fear so I summoned my might and I smote the veil I smelt the limitations and I fought my way back out

and I became aware that I had killed the fetus that was to be my body I had a Life review I could see how the fear that I had acted upon and brought into that experience affected not only the

mother who was in grief but hundreds of other people like in ripples away from the mother whose Journeys all were made more difficult because of my fear and like I had all these great

intentions but I could see and feel very plainly that I had only made their Journeys more difficult and I respected and loved them so much and I had only made it more

difficult for them you know and I so I thought oh man I I mean from that side you know that everything is okay like you can see and feel and you just know it's okay everything is okay it's just

like a big play everything's fine but yet objectively I could just see oh my gosh I've got a lot of fear I got to do something about this so I so then they brought me this life

after after a time I spent some time practicing surrendering to a veil in like a simulator and then they brought me this life and this life was not as Optimum as the first one would have been but it was

still it was pretty good and it was like you know it was it was good enough it was good for the purposes but you know I just knew that it wasn't quite as as optimal as the first one

would have been and I reviewed this life in incredible detail you know like millions and millions of possibilities it was like a flow chart language is so limiting here okay but it

was like a vast flow chart of millions of branches energetic branches and it was like if you took a tree and laid on its side and started at the trunk and worked your way out to the branches

it was like that except these were probabilities you know like there were paths that were more or less probable and the thing that made them more or less probable and that could affect

their outcome is Free Will my choice making and the choice making of everybody else in the whole simulation it was all a part of it but there were certain energetic seasons and patterns happening you know I could see and feel like the human race is going through a

certain energetic pattern in my life would have a certain energetic pattern and I knew that it was likely that a trauma would befall me in my 20s and crush me

and give me the chance to re-experience that fear and that did happen in this life so I I reviewed the life in detail and

then I once again okay so then I was in a like a waiting area I remember the guy coming to me and saying go now like right now right now you gotta get on Earth time and then being in this place I can only

describe like a technician's shop or like an auto shop but it felt like it was up in space there was this like shaft in the middle and where the Earth was below and I remember the guy these

beings I don't know if I call them guides or more like technicians or something saying to me are you sure this is like this is like the last chance button you say yes here you're strapped in for the

ride kind of thing and saying yes I'm ready and then and then once again feeling that incredible plummet of vibration down down down down

lower down lower still more and more more and having all of my knowing be cut off and feeling dark and separate and alone and and

I I can't describe the uh the density and simultaneous emptiness of this state of being by comparison

so I arrived here in the physical I I was just basically trying not to fight the veil this time because of what I experienced last time and after just letting it be and letting

it overcome me eventually I sent a message back to the technicians did it take you know did the veil take and they sent one message back yes so I knew I'd made it which is like already a huge accomplishment like I knew even just

making it here and being incarnated was like oh that you know that's awesome I made it I I made it so I was here for a while and then eventually um I was like you know what I

am not doing this once again it was like this is not happening this is so dark this is solo vibration I have lost everything that I am I am not doing this

and that Fear Rose up once again and so I Was preparing to find my way out again when I had the most holy and beautiful moment of my

life I felt the great power The Great I Am source of all that is what we call God for

for a profound lack of term come to me and expand me back out and show me all of the universe and I felt it all within me and I felt all the galaxies and all

the stars and I felt the churning of our sun Earth's sun and the Bliss of being that the sun was the churning Bliss of being

and the spirit said to me this is still what you are you can never not be this I just knew it in my being and I was like oh my gosh that's wonderful I knew that I had nothing to fear like if this

is still what I was I hadn't lost everything that I was like that was when I was afraid of and rejecting was this the state of being in which I felt like

I had lost all that I all that I am so that calmed me I was uh okay that that's wonderful and I so I let go and settled back into the experience of being in the womb

and the next memory I have is of being born I remember the shock um the brightness I remember the cold I remember being touched and just being

overwhelmed with sense data but having no idea what was going on just like what is happening but being super curious I remember looking up at the nurses and wondering who are these

beings that are taking care of me and but just having absolutely no idea what was going on and and staring very intently and trying to analyze everything I remember that and it's

funny because my father has told me that since I've shared the story he said oh yeah your eyes were wide open you were staring at that like he's like I never saw such an intense gaze and he said what occurred to him was who is this

being who has come you know as a as a human because you know to most people they don't think of the idea that we pre-exist right before before being physical

but I remember that Curiosity and that intensity and then not much after that but then As I Grew in the first few years of my life I had memory of this and that memory

left me by the age of like five or six but until that age I assumed everybody knew we weren't from here I just had this knowing this sense like this is just a play we're just coming to do a neat thing everybody must know it but

nobody talks about it you know so I didn't talk about it but I had certain assumptions that I carried with me that I assumed would be true here because of how things are in the higher realities

um just as an example I remember feeling that it would make sense it should be that people in positions of Authority or leadership or teaching should be loving and wise

um you know so the higher you were in society you must be more a more loving and wise being you know well that's not always how it works on Earth I have to remind myself of that

I feel like even today I still am trying to come to terms fully with what this Earth experience really is and what our society where our society really is at

but anyway so that's just you know that's a short short sharing of of that story um I know people are interested to hear the story I'm happy to share it but I don't really think it's the most

important thing that we can talk about that we can share I think what's far more important is to share with each other a reminder of who or what we really are

you know everyone listening today it's this is about like every one of us is on an incredible journey in the physical and who we really are vastly transcends the

physical context and the physical limitations we are Immortal beings of love we are multi-dimensional creative powerful loving beings

and that cannot be emphasized enough you know we we get super veiled while we're here we get super dense we don't see it in front of our faces every day we're very associated with the form the form

of Earth the visual experience the shapes the ideas all the ideas all the news all the consumers and all the food and all the things we're really deeply associated with that but that's not what

we really are you know we really vastly transcend the story of The Human Condition it's just a story that we Embark upon for great purposes for the

purposes of the expansion of love and joy it's it's a wonderful process yes oh my gosh Christian thank you for sharing that story first of all I want I'm glad that you brought that up about the

Beauty and the magnificence of what we are um people who watch my channel if you've seen my videos you understand that um I've had experiences that have actually proven that so it's not a faith

thing about the magnificence of what we are but one of the things that I've taught talked about a lot is that I feel like the souls who choose to come to Earth because I know it's not all souls

are are considered on the other side we are looked at as like the Daredevil Souls of the universe because so many Souls will not take on that Veil because they it's unfathomable to be

disconnected from what we are which is not an experience of love it it is actually a state of being of being loved so can you speak to that a little bit

about the Daredevil souls and how rare you feel it is on a soul level for souls to Incarnate here on Earth yes no I agree completely with what you just said I don't know the prevalence I couldn't

put a number on it obviously but I do know that it is the minority of souls that are that would undertake something this extreme you know because because the

state of being that we're in right now is extremely separate extremely separate like we feel separate we actually individuals made it

we made it all the way as far as we can take it into separation right we've come so far that like the listeners today probably whoever you are

you may assume we are separate people like that's just so you know what I mean like these objects are separate I got this object this so but the thing is

that is just going very very far in a certain extreme experiential Direction it's not really native to what we are it's like putting on an astronaut suit or something and going into an extreme

environment like not everybody wants to go into space you know not everybody wants to wear uh you know an astronaut suit and go into space and get cramped and maybe live on a space station for three years and eat

food out of a tube and you know what I mean and put poop in a bag or whatever like not everybody wants to do that go to outer space and do that we did choose to do that

and it is the minority so I agree we are seeing in a way like there's a near-death experience or named Amy call I really love her nde fantastic nde and she says something to

this effect that from the other side we're seen as superheroes and I think it went and then and then I think it was Natalie sudman actually another near-death experiencer who said

that we're seeing like fighter jet pilots who I think she said it was like flying flying a fighter jet upside down 30 feet above the ground you know well yes I agree with that and

it's because the extremity of the limitation that we've agreed to experience here is so extreme it's like not everybody on Earth is going to go

climb Mount Everest like no I personally have no interest in attempting that level of difficulty it may be like that a bit yeah now you

might say there's billions of people on Earth well there are a lot of souls I don't know how many Souls but it's far far more then Avatar is available on Earth to play definitely well so then that's kind

of an interesting thing also so the population hasn't decreased over time it's increased which means if we have multiple lives everybody here couldn't

have all had multiple lives there haven't been that many people that have been on Earth so one of the things that I was shown and I'd love to hear your take on this when I was on the other

side I was with a bean who showed me the Earth and the Earth looked very far away and the bean was explaining that the Earth is evolving and there's an

evolution level and about and I'm going to put a percentage on it because it's how I it's only the way it can again work completely difficult but 20 of the souls are very highly evolved Souls that

are here to kind of wake up the rest of the planet and the other 80 percent are newer Souls who have not had very many physical incarnations are coming here

for the first time and I think that it makes sense and it's not an ego thing please do not mistake this for an ego thing because it's easy when you talk about this to say oh so somebody who's

here is better there is no good better or best on the other side that doesn't exist but would you agree that maybe a lot of the people who are on this planet right now are what you would refer to as

newer souls or Souls who have not incarnated hundreds or thousands of times like some of the other Souls I I have no idea but I would say that there are those who have a lot more experience

higher evolved Souls who have come to help um I remember knowing on that side that the Awakening was happening can you talk to that a little bit that's so interesting because yeah so I mean like

that's like kind of a yeah that's kind of like a new age term um I don't mean it like in any specific way but it was just seen matter of fact that that human race is going through a

huge change and this is a very exciting time but also a very challenging potentially time because of the amount of so the collective consciousness of

humanity has momentum to it it has density it's like a like thoughts are things in the in higher Realms so there's a huge amount of history that the human race has built up that's based

around uh fear-based intention and fear-based ideas and beliefs um all the ego expressions of fear that we have kind of enshrined into our cultures and lifestyle so you know we

have a lot of that momentum that's in there and part of Awakening has to do with Rising our vibration in that we we face that all momentum we process it we integrate it and we allow ourselves to

move closer and closer to our true nature which is a true nature of love so I anyway so I won't I don't know if I can guess what percentage have less experience I don't like to refer to

souls as new Souls just because Earthly experience yeah maybe new yeah yeah absolutely because like that's what I was going to say is the earth experience is just one type of experience and in

fact our entire universe is just one there's a the context from which we come is huge mind-boggling mind-bogglingly huge

and the Earth is just one tiny little corner of our universe but a very precious a very precious and high potential little corner so much so that being

given the opportunity to play a human is like a huge gift it's like winning the lottery I mean that's kind of like the feeling but it's like winning the lottery in a

in a sense of feeling honored actually like I felt honored that I was being given the opportunity to play a human life in part because it meant that

uh I I and I I completely agree I don't want to make this sound like a hierarchy or better orange or anything like that it's not like that that's a challenge yeah it's hard to say it without making

it sound like that but yeah but it but it meant that like okay that the guides like in spirit seize potential like it's seen that I that there is actually potential for me through this

experience you know I mean like because the system is very efficient and it's and so if you're allocated the opportunity to play a human life it is an Incredible Gift and it means there

that it's kind of anticipated that there may be a very fruitful potential for you and for others you know if you if you have that experience and that's true for for all of us you know we evolve like it

takes a certain level of skill you could say to even play a human you know what I mean like not everybody you don't go straight into college you could say you know you just don't it's not going

to be beneficial it's not at all but there may be those who have less experience in college or more or I don't know this metaphor has limits but yeah anyway I think you understand what I'm

trying to communicate is that um yes there is difference in level of experience within the souls that have come to Earth and I do think it's

probable that a large percentage of the earth has yet to awaken to who we really are but I think that's changing I think it's definitely changing can you go back and talk about the being that you

encountered because this is always fascinated me it seems unusual for my human perspective since I'm here and all of us are here to even imagine that you

could be traveling through the vastness of what exists outside of this place and you would come upon a being that had this quality of being uh physical have

it have encountered physical lives but that you hadn't encountered that before on a soul level so does that speak to like a rarity of the fact that that few

people few Souls have these incarnations um I don't know um that may be an implication I don't I can't draw direct inference there but I do know that there was a moment at this

point I would even again not to use dualistic spectrums I I think we've disclaimed that enough but I felt I was young I was a young Soul at that point at that time I did not have the level of

experience and this being though he did you know and I was with a large group of beings and what I could describe as like a landscape of light living light and we

were all moving together across this light um some people have made fun of this word but I like the word frolicking just just bounding forward and expressing joy

and exploring joy and creativity in a new way and we were going to do something I don't remember exactly what but I remember there being many many other beings and this being I remember I he caught my attention

because the quality of his um his vibration his energy his sound even you could say uh was unmistakable you know it was like a

brilliant Golden Light you know I don't know how else to put it um so I I don't I won't draw any inferences too much from that because then we you know we're in linear time

right now so for us and we're also in a place of discrete locations so we like to separate things that's how we understand things General generally difficult to do because our higher nature is very unified all time is

within the one now you know so it's difficult to um you know to really draw too many inferences um but yeah I don't know if I answered

your question but that that was so inspiring there it was yeah it was a moment I mean it was one of those moments of like I set a soul intention

like I as a spiritual being I was like I am gonna do that and and you know what it's funny because I I've shared the story a number of times and it was only after I shared it that I came across a

bob Monroe video a few years later where I heard Bob Monroe he's an out-of-body explorer who wrote a number of out-of-body books and he founded the Monroe Institute and and he I heard a video where he said most of us who come

come because we become inspired by a being who has come and we see the potential expansion of being that is possible by coming and when I heard that I was like oh my gosh like I've never heard

anybody say that like that but that's exactly what I experienced like I was deeply inspired to do this yeah so then you talked about having I'm

going to call it a blueprint and a blueprint may even simplify it but I think that that elicits a thought of what something could potentially look like but you said it was a living

breathing energy of millions of different choices that you could make limited by free choice but you likened it to a tree so let's talk about the tree so the tree starts in a trunk and

then it has a couple of main branches so are you alluding to kind of how I believe is that you have certain things that you set aside for yourself that you are going to learn that you want to

experience and learn again I hate to use that word yeah the word learn yeah more experience is I think a better word to use but certain things that you've come here you want to experience on this

human plane and so the trunk starts at these two two or three branches and are those much more likely to happen or almost like set into

motion so that you can then experience some of the things that go into smaller branches and then into twigs and then into leaves and does that also mean then that we have contracts with certain

people because I I believe that you can only truly learn about yourself through your experiences with others if you are on a deserted island you might learn that you were resourceful and you could survive but you wouldn't learn a lot

about yourself it's through your interactions with other people that really help you learn and grow so in order to do that you almost have to contract with certain people that this person if they come into my life is

going to help me elicit this experience and this person they all have free will so that's why it may or may not happen but do you believe that we have certain people that we are contracted that it's

almost like we couldn't help but meet them yes so we do make pre-arrangements for the context um in my case my intention for this life

was not specific to a given individual because of the specificity of the vibration I have I'm attempting to integrate like I know even now it's a it's a living activity for me that I'm

doing um so for but for like in my case I knew that the parents would be very important because I knew that for instance my father would instill a certain confidence in me and that I needed that

confidence in order to have a rock to stand on when the Fear Rose you know what I mean and I knew that I I knew that my mother would be very loving and that basically I would be loved and that

that was like if I was going to go do this and meet this certain fear like that had to not be a problem do you know what I mean like anyway but but to your question I do feel that yes we do we do

make plans we do make sometimes we call Soul contracts with others depending on what we want to experience I'm also careful about the word learn because learn implies an intellectual process yeah I like to say we're not here for

intellectual learning though that's a part of it we're here for a learning of the being by being something by experiencing something

and so that pre-arrangement is like a context pre-arrangement and you can you can arrange certain things in it like I I ask certain questions uh

for instance I asked can I be intelligent again because I knew that I had been intelligent in in several immediately immediate preceding lives and I wanted to retain that quality I was like I don't want to do a

non-intelligent thing I'm not doing that can I can I be intelligent no I wasn't liking a goic thing though it was just like I don't prefer that it was just I don't I don't prefer that I prefer to

you know be enabled in that way I mean that's the best way I can put it and they said yes you can do that so I feel like that was worked in but the main intention of facing this

fear was intrinsically tied to a biological limitation that this body has that other bodies don't and I actually knew that this body is an experience that other beings would

probably pass up um just because there was like a certain biological something missing that would make day-to-day experience difficult and that that was important this sounds

you know like to the human human vantage point we we get up why don't we do that we get up in our ER you go is quick to you know to defy and proclaim a

righteous judgment but uh but in any case I knew that from that perspective that this limitation would basically I don't want to these words are bad but

keep me humble because basically I knew that it would make it difficult day to day in a way that I I really wouldn't be able to go down an ego path because I would be suffering a lot

now I know that that sounds like you know pain is good that's not what I'm not communicating that pain is good I'm just saying that from that perspective I knew that this context had value and

that through that limitation that I would Experience day to day that would kind of um it would support the likelihood the

probable very probable outcome that I would be crushed and traumatized in my 20s and the way that that physically actualized was I tried to move to China after college I tried to

move to a well I try to move to Beijing because I studied in Beijing in college I tried to go to a jungle city called Chengdu it was 110 degrees I had a heat stroke I spent four days in the Chinese

hospital and they gave me bag after bag of potassium and something about that interacted with my biology in a certain way that caused an absolutely agonizing

terrible terrible neurological pain suffering that that was just unrelenting and horrible and I could not Escape it and it lasted for weeks and months and

um it was it was just I had post-traumatic stress after this experience for a number of years because it was so painful and I locked it away I couldn't even remember up until the age of 22 barely you know like my because

that's just what happens with trauma you're psyche is too big I can't handle that it's too big I'll put that away in a corner We're Not Gonna deal with that well through EMDR therapy and counseling and and through a spiritual awakening

which actually happened as a result of this really I think I went and I faced that I found that fear and that fear was not just originating in that hospital

bed in in Chengdu it was from before it was this deep deep low low low vibration a staggeringly low vibration that in the past had bested me and here I am now

facing it even now as I talk about it seeing it feeling it it's okay you know and I knew that the context this limitation set would enable that that opportunity

it's not about suffering it's not about signing up for suffering it's about signing up for the context for an opportunity to have the opportunity that's a huge distinction

it's an important distinction you know as people who are suffering so much and who reject so much of our Lives we it you know it's not like we're masochists

it's not like we come because we we want pain it's just that contrast is a very useful tool and this is a high contrast simulation

and therefore a high opportunity simulation so the opportunity is to overcome the fear is that the biggest one of the biggest opportunities we have in taking on these

roles and experiencing that duality of what we are which is love right yes and so the opposite of that would be fear and lower vibration right yes so love is

what we really are always everything that we are doing ultimately comes from Love and returns to love everything which is hard for people to understand because it seems

like there is a lot of Chaos in this world and I liken the analogy that you bring about that yeah right when I refer I mentioned it before we started recording today I

referred to the Earth as like a kindergarten and we're all a bunch of kindergartners running around with scissors what I meant was that we uh the qual okay it all boils down to the

quality of our intent Our intention that's a Tom Campbell term he's a physicist and Consciousness Explorer his work is really what helped kick me down this path to awaken and he he has this

term that I adore quality of intent and it means what is the real why behind the choices you're making what is the quality of being that you're

bringing into your life choices and into your context is it love or as a fear so one so that's that's what I mean by fear when I when I use the word fear I don't just mean the emotion of being

afraid though that is of course one of the chief ways it expresses I mean that which we reject that which we yet have to have to come to terms with that which we have to

integrate when we come into an experience of limitation like this what happens is we buy into perceptions that are not in alignment with the truth of who we are so like some big big ones are we but we

buy into the perception of powerlessness I have no power or victim right or victim or I am Unworthy of Love That is a huge one so many people in this world

think they've got to do things they've got to earn the money they gotta prove them they got to do all that they got to do so that they can create a resume to themselves to explain to them so the ego can say look you have value because look you

have money or look you have value because you you know you you did this you went to this this Ivy League school whatever it is that's all happening because we have

value that's right the truth is our nature is already that we already have intrinsic value it's just that the ego is trying darn hard to fix the problem and fill the hole like we have this big gaping hole now we came into the

experience of Separation oh my gosh now there's a huge problem because now I don't feel connected anymore I'm missing the thing that I'm looking for so we could say we're searching for God

all the time and we try to fill that hole with everything we possibly can and it doesn't work and we try really hard and the ego tries harder and harder you know so when I say we're running

around like kindergartners with scissors what I mean is we we have a lot of fear that's really what's what's happening and fear is just another word for yet

unevolvedness it just means we're committed into a context of such extremity such limitation that we have not yet fully integrated

this such that we can shine our love even here yeah we we have we are all but you could say that the human race isn't a bit of an orgy of fear you know we're

just constantly stimulating each other's fear you know with the news and consumerism and the ways that we pass down fear through our belief systems and all the rest not because yeah yeah sorry

yeah sorry no no no no um I didn't mean to interrupt you but this is a big thing so I don't know about you personally but I haven't

watched the news in almost seven years I don't consume it on the radio I don't watch it on any type of a TV the only way that I hear about what's going on is when people tell me and believe me you

have plenty of people in your life who will tell you I'm curious as to what your stance is on that and the reason I do it is because I feel like I can't

control what is being fed to me and it lowers my vibration in order to stay at a higher vibration I have to consume it in the only way that it makes sense which is an emotionally charged yeah

like I I I have a similar experience I have not watched the news in a concerted way and since my Awakening 12 years ago okay the vibration is not helpful in general in general now I am interested

in facts I'm interested in what's going on so sometimes I will seek out information yep right because there's always an agenda behind that yeah the the quality of tent

behind the news is important you see everything the way the reason and the why that we're doing it is important so is the news trying to just get hits and

stimulate you know six o'clock evening news fear that is not helpful um it and part of the reason it's not helpful is we are each so we're each creative beings okay this is really

important we are all powerful creative beings and what we're focused on and the vibration that we're coming from is very important because we're like little antenna or something and we're communicating to each other all the time

so if you have like everybody focused on you know like let's take a kidnapping I'm it's terrible one it happens and now five million

people hear about it so now the fear the ultimately ego decision egoic-based decision of one individual

has now been Amplified to affect five million people when in fact there's so much good in the world that we don't focus on because we have so much good in the world so like I

had um in my family we my father had a second family and I had a half brother who was three years old and he ended up passing from brain cancer um that that's okay two thousand five or

six I'm sorry I don't know the date but it was a while ago I was 26 I think at the time the amount of goodness that came out of the woodwork from

thousands of people that we didn't even know was overwhelming wow that's not what the news focuses on no and I'm not saying we should turn a blind eye to the negative

that's happening I'm not saying that what I am saying though is that the quality I'm saying that the quality um with which we not only transmit to each other but receive and process information is very important okay so

that actually brings me to an amazing segue something you brought up before that I wanted to come back to and you talked about the power of our thoughts I was I listened to lots of near-death

experience videos and I had a one that I listened to recently and she was a nurse and she got into a situation where this woman that she was working with she felt

wasn't doing a good job and so she didn't gossip about it or tell anybody else but internally she had all these thoughts about this woman and she was resentful that this woman wasn't pulling her weight and she wasn't very nice and

didn't have a good bedside Manner and then she died and had a near-death experience and she was shown that her thoughts were actually heaping on more

negative energy to this woman and not and to prove the point of being showed her the entire life that this woman had lived up until that moment and she had

shown been shown abuse that she had endured from many people in her life and that she was choosing to try to get out of her situation by giving back and becoming a nurse but she wasn't very

good at it but by This Woman's thoughts heaping that on this on this other woman it was causing a disservice and I'm going to put it into a context that probably everybody can understand that I've thought about for a long time I

think about Oprah Winfrey trying to lose weight with billions of people saying to her in their minds or talking about her about that she's fat and that she can't

keep it off and I actually believe that there is probably some factor with her that has not allowed her to do what she wants to do because she

is such a public figure and so many people have heaped on their thoughts that are very powerful so those are just two things and I like to know your thoughts about that yeah no I I agree

100 our thoughts are things they have a mass in in you could say not physical Mass obviously but well if they can eventually have physical Mass but um

they are like you could say that the realm of thought precedes you could say the non-physical Realms that are thought responsive precede the physical manifest Realm

and every intention actually not just every see thoughts are are like forms thought forms forms of the Mind they are like things they're that form they're that specific thought that

vibration that is that thought is what a thought is but it gave it came from somewhere deeper even when that's intent so in the in the case of the example you said

you know the when we have fear it's our own fear that gives rise to our own ego patterns where we think we can reclaim a little bit of power if we just identify that person's the enemy

you know that person's doing a bad job see now I feel just a little bit my ego is popping me up a little bit a little bit better it's not real power there's no real power in that but it came from Fear so also once again I feel it boils

down to that quality of intent whereas even in your own mind there's not um how do I put it love is what we are so it's not about like babysitting

yourself in a negative way it's just that when you know the peace and the love of being there is only love for that person

that's the only it's the only way I can put it so when we catch ourselves though like okay getting into that pattern it can be helpful to be humble enough and brave enough to find our own fear what's

giving What Fear do I have that's giving rise to those thoughts this is a challenge for me you know I have a new work environment right now and sometimes you know that happens there's there's um ego patterns that might get passed

around um a lot of humans do this on a day-to-day basis we don't even a lot of people are unconscious with how what they're producing how they're affecting others mm-hmm and it can be difficult

it's like a um like a soup of vibrations at a certain vibrational level and now you have to respond to this soup

and how do you you know that and that and it seems like oh I don't have much power no you do have power one awakened person is very

powerful disproportionately powerful actually to not only stop the chain of that egoic crap that gets passed around through thoughts and through actions

but actually to shine a light vibrationally because they may not visually see it or understand even at a conscious human personality level what

what's going on but that vibration of acceptance and love has an impact it shines a light you don't even have to be around other people meeting your own fear in the quiet of

your own house loving your houseplant enjoying the sunlight coming in your window and letting go of the fear of

this disease you just found out you have yeah wow you are affecting the whole human race you just don't see it it's that

powerful right we are not without power you know it's one of those things like you know we with the news back to the news topic you know we think oh there's these big governments they have all this power and there's these

big people they have all this power and ah no actually no actually you have the power like I don't just mean that like in a facetious way like you are a creative powerful and Mortal

multi-dimensional being and so am I yeah and when we can be that and that just means living Joy now meet your own crap now own your own

crap do your best to be your real self here now you hear someone you know tell you something negative how do you respond you know that there's a lot of power in

that I know it sounds small but the small stuff is the big stuff it's one of the essays in my book I think it's so important the small stuff is the big stuff a lot of near-death experiences talk about how in their ndes they find

out that these small little acts of kindness and love are what had the ripples you know like one nde and I feel bad every time because I don't remember the person's name but they were a child

and there they went to like a car stop like a rest area and their parents asked them to get some water from like a river in a bucket for their family and this person filled this

bucket of water and they were walking back to the car and there was like a dry tree out of the way and all they did is go over and water this drive it's too heavy the bucket was too heavy yeah because yeah yes he had some of the

water out yes yeah and then he took the rest back and that was one of the most celebrated accomplishments of his life how I think it was a him I don't remember seven years old I I've heard that one also

and so so we are so busy thinking about oh I gotta do these big huge things I gotta you know I gotta change you are changing the world when you act in kindness even to yourself even in this

moment tonight today there's so much power in that that's why when when I say when you do something to someone else you are actually doing it

to yourself yes because we are literally rejected and I think that comes down to certain things like you know one of the things that plague a lot of people is they feel like they they're a victim or they feel like people have done things

that are wrong and it's very difficult to forgive somebody else but forgiveness is never about the other person it actually releases yourself so that you

can you can actually change your own vibration and have your own control back not let somebody else yeah because when you're in judgment an ego judgment you're in bondage actually

because you're not you're still it's still fear yes judging someone else is freeing yourself and it's it's it's the way of love I mean forgiving someone else I'm sorry forgiving somebody else

is the way of love and it you know like I I hear a lot of people say well what about you know the Judgment by God and I I won't I won't I'm not gonna

try to um you know speak to God except to say that unconditional love is the nature of God and and with complete understanding

total understanding total unconditional love in that how can there be anything but forgiveness uh you know it's like when we know the

other person we love them because they're a part of us too like we're all we're all we're individuated but we're also one those two things are not right they don't

preclude each other they're not they it's not one or the other it's not mutually exclusive you are you the individual you are also one with everyone else and everything else and in

higher states of being you can feel that and know it um one yeah I'll just one quick example yeah I had an out of body experience a few years ago so um at the time of this experience I

guess I had it about 12 years ago or 11 years ago at the time of this experience I I was early in my Awakening journey and at the time I was not a fan of my wife's ex-boyfriend

[Laughter] and I hadn't but I had but I had an experience because I was still stuck in an ego interpretation which was so crude

but at the time I had this experience where I hadn't I had ice felt and saw in this out of my experience who he is and who my wife is and how their beings

overlap in a really beautiful way and how my being overlaps with his in a really beautiful way like what they shared was this knowing about

quality of creative expression that I couldn't even comprehend whereas he and I shared what I can only call an ancient honor like honor was deeply precious to both of us like like

our true nature who we really are as Souls honor is something that is um you know really important it sounds so paltry to put it that way but I felt

it in sought and knew it vibrationally it was like an ocean of color and vibration and but I also experienced how this gentleman

he experienced almost no love in his life as a human like like such a small amount of love and in fact negativity

that he was like if you took Plato and rolled over it with a car tire and made it super super super thin that was what he was that was how he

experiences this reality but he's still trying to create from that place hmm and I had so much respect for him and I called him the next day and I said

I know this sounds a bit strange I'm pretty sure I saw your soul last night let me tell you what I what I experienced and I just share with him everything I experienced what did he say he said he said well if I had to share

who I really am with somebody that's about what I would say and now and now he's close to our family he comes over and to this day I feel like kneeling to the guy

like I have I cannot have another How can there be any other response and and it seems so silly to me now that I looked back and thought Oh I had some

ego like thing about this ex-boyfriend no love is I think it would be like that with every person right if we that's what I said story if we really knew everything that everybody had gone through in their life and all the

experiences and emotions and the things that they told themselves and how they felt held back I think we would probably never judge anybody anymore and we would only feel

um empathy towards them and not hatred and not yeah absolutely yeah absolutely it is true we there is so much trauma on

Earth it's ridiculous yes like we're all traumatizing the crap out of each other into varying degrees okay so I have a really this is really

this is gonna get kind of deep here so we come here to have these experiences but the only way we can have this dualistic experience is to have negative experiences from others keep on

to us where we have a chance to respond in whatever way our soul responds so is it possible that some of the souls

who come here actually take on a very negative role it's not who they really are but it's like let's say we're planning a life together and I'm like Christian as my close soul mate on the

other side will you please play this role with me and do these things and you're like no I love you so much I can't do that and I'm like please please I need you to do it you're like oh okay I don't want to do it but I'm gonna do

do it I'm gonna come here and I'm gonna do these horrible things to you so you can have this experience is there some of that going on also in addition to

people just having Free Will and going crazy with their fear and off the rails okay so we do sign up for roles then we do sign up to play roles for

each other that from a human perspective might seem negative however then I'm I'm very careful about making that synonymous with

agreeing to do harm okay uh because our true nature is love

it's always love and the ability to okay it's gonna go deep no it's okay this is good it's our own harsh context is what potentially

damages us such that we develop ego and respond in fear and hurt others so when you went like um

so if let's say you go into a family where you are abused and so then as an adult your tendency will be to abuse someone else because you've been hurt you don't you haven't experienced that

love it's what you know you're just conditioning there's all these things going on from the Soul's perspective the context

is seen so it's seen oh wow that is it's likely that I'm going to experience abuse and wow because you're picking you see the

context and I know this is really hard for a lot of because then people the question that always comes up is well there's no way people would sign up to be you know starved to death in Africa kind of thing well I do have I just want

to say one quick thing all experience is highly valuable it it has potential in it and it's because we know it can't be harmed we can't truly be harmed we know we cannot truly be harmed but it's it

this is really important though it's not just like I said we're not masochists it's that we see that the intensity of contrast

cannot be greater than we are say that again say that intensity the intensity of contrast cannot be bigger than what we really are

I think that's so and it's so important and so what that means is when we sign up for high high contrast we are can we are

I I don't want me to be categorical because the soul is very complex and Rich and there's a lot that goes into it but you could say we are thinking something to the effect of many times

can I shine love even into that can I heal that can I stop that chain of hurt you know it's not like oh I'm gonna come

in and and abuse you well there may be a context in which there's possibilities for that but I feel that it's never a case of of a soul saying

I'm gonna come in and harm you no no harm is not our nature but it is in in there is value though in signing up for deep rich difficult high

contrast contexts including contexts in which we might end up potentially creating contrast with someone else contrast that's valuable for them

you know metaphorically this this I I really I am not trying to um belittle the absolute horror and terrible trauma that people experience

in this life yeah when I say any of these comments yes I'm not trying to belittle that a little it's a little bit like though on the other hand when you when you agree to sign up to

play a role for somebody it's a little bit like saying they're saying I want to lift a weight on a weight bench a little bit like that they want the counter pressure because through lifting the weight

that's just a metaphor they get stronger in a certain way that is important to them so let's take let's take a specific example someone who is a

master of kindness I recently had a 101 where I shared some space with this person and I felt the the spiritual quality of kindness that this person had that was over the top

like master master level kindness you don't think of kindness as a superpower but it is okay and I don't know in this pers I won't speak specific to this person for you

know um privacy sake but let's say you're a master of kindness and you so let's say maybe in order to better learn and understand kindness you want to

experience a lack of kindness to respond to or let's say that you will be kind but you're going to do it in a context in which uh maybe you're limited in some way maybe you have a biological

limitation or maybe you're around people that are kind in one way but not in another way and you need to understand that other way

like it it could be anything like there's our our souls are so complex we have so much history we have so much experience so the the specificity of what we come to learn might seem very strange to

the human um and it might be that we come to be there for someone else in one simple way you know you if theoretically you could come to live a whole lifetime just to be someone's friend for five minutes

knowing that they're going to be in a very difficult space and they're going to need you in that time and you would need three experiences to to do that in order to be there maybe you've already

had those experiences maybe there's some reason that you I I I'm I'm just saying that the role the things that we come to do might seem strange to the human

uh but so then people ask well how do I find that you know how do I find that in myself for my own life a very highly personal question I can't categorically speak to it but just one comment I'll make

find the patterns in your life and find what you feel called to intuitively and what fears you seem to have repeated

issue with because often it's the weak leg that we come to walk on I find that very much my own case I have certain strengths I'm not here for those

I'm here to do the hard thing for me to really become vulnerable and limited and face biological limitation and pain that I can't escape

and and by the way then when you do that it releases it goes but you know we can process our fears at which point the love and the joy that is native to who

we are expands and do measure like ex like the integration of fear and the expansion of being is a blissful process ultimately it's not about torment and

Punishment yeah now I know you have a limited amount of time so I want to ask us one more thing yeah sure so you

talked about the Sun as a being yeah a magnificent being can we also assume that the Earth is a magnificent being and if that's what you've been able if

you can remember any of that can you explain a little bit of that to us because I think that the Earth is going through a process I think we all see it and I think a lot of us feel like we

want to do something well I'm aware that the Earth has a consciousness of its own but I didn't experience that directly in my experience I experienced the sun directly which had

its own awareness it's very difficult to describe depth of being that is undescribable and beautiful but very very different than a

human point of view but anyway it was it had also a real Consciousness all still Souls boy I mean you know like

it depends on how you define soul I want to be careful because of what the word Soul means but I can say that everything ultimately is of Consciousness and is conscious and

there are def many different levels within that and even our own individual Souls have many aspects of the self you know like it's all you you're you're not many people you're you you're you you're the

you that feels like you to you but that you that feels like you to you is not your name it's not your body it's not your story it's not your pain you have experienced other things

that's who you are so there's different portions of us though that feel like like there's um you could say like a fractal pattern of sub levels of being maybe something

right almost like the universe yourself only brings a portion of itself into this Incarnation because it's actually happening inside yes the higher self yes

exactly the only sub portion only like a you could say an allocation of the self incarnates our full self is already on the other side right now right you're not right

it's so hard to grasp onto that but that was what I was shown in my out-of-body experience is that the portion of me that is here in this body right now is

like a fingernail of my pinky compared to the vastness and the power of my soul and since everything's happening at once we could potentially be having multiple

experiences different time frames because that's an illusion and and migratory birds as you experience your soul being one time yes

so crazy okay oh my gosh this is like one last comment so like the pinky the pinky can draw upon

the ring finger or the middle finger or the pointer finger they're all one being absolutely I'm just describing that because

you're not just this no you are the other portions of yourself I think Seth talks a lot about that actually drawing upon other personalities within a cell kind of beautiful but I'm just just

pointing that out because uh exploration of the cell through meditation which actually starts as a move I don't want to get too much depth because we're running out of time but which starts as a move not towards

the form of this life but towards just just the beingness that you are you don't have to go seek anything specific just know the life that you are know the living awareness that you are

and in that not even because you're trying you may discover a treasure Trove of of being of what you are

there's a great roomy quote that I love that that reminds me of um you Wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already

around your neck hmm that depth of being that we are that is a part of source is here now

it's not it's not in the other room I mean it will be when you go there it's you it's it's here right now it's a beautiful thing we talked about so much

today so many different concepts for the people that are watching if there's just one thing that you could

make them hear loud and clear yeah what would it be you are not your human story you are a multi-dimensional being of

love and there is nothing to fear there is nothing actually to fear this is a big play and you can use this play

however you want like it doesn't have to be like you're putting the meaning on it you have the freedom to apply the meaning to your life to your circumstances to your sensory experience to the context

you have that power and it's not really what you are like if we can have one moment of move back towards that freedom of being that is a huge step when it comes to a

place that's this Limited if we can take a small step here it's a huge step in Consciousness space so please feel empowered not not overcome

and limited we are not just these limitations we are the ones experiencing the limitations and seeing what we can do with them so what what you choose to do with your limitations today

I love that Christian thank you so much it has been an honor to talk to you I appreciate your time so much thank you thank you thank you for having me on I

appreciate it yeah foreign [Music]