Joe Rogan Experience #2404 - Elon Musk

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>> Wonder what Jeff Bezos is doing.

>> He's doing some definitely doing some

testosterone. He looks jacked.

>> He looks jacked, right?

>> Yeah. But he didn't like

>> quick

>> quick

>> quick

at age like at 50 at age 59 in less than

a year he he went from pencilet geek to

uh looking like a like the rock.

>> Yeah. Like a little miniature alpha

fella.

>> Yeah. Like like his neck got bigger than

his head.

>> Yeah. He got bigger.

>> But then like his earlier pictures his

neck's like a noodle.

>> I support this activity. I like to see

him going in this direction

>> which is fine. And his voice dropped

like two octaves. I want you to move in

that direction as well.

>> I think we can achieve this.

>> I I I mean I should

>> I think we can achieve

>> gigachad.

That's what people called it.

>> Where is that guy?

>> Bele. Uh I don't know where he is.

>> That's like a real guy.

>> The artist. Yeah.

>> No.

>> Oh, gigachad. Oh, gigachad. Yeah. I

don't know if that's a real guy. It's

hard to say.

>> No, it is a real guy.

>> It is a real guy.

>> He's got the crazy jaw and like perfect

sculpted hair.

>> Yeah. Well, I mean, they may have

exaggerated a little bit, but

>> um

>> but uh No, I think I think he actually

just kind of looked like that in

reality.

>> Wow.

>> Um so

>> like like he's a pretty unique looking

individual.

>> I think we can achieve this. That guy

right there, that's a real guy.

>> That's a real dude.

>> I always thought that was CGI.

>> No, I think one of I think the upper

right one is not him. That's not

>> But that one to the left of that like

that's real. No, that's that's

artificial, bro. That's fake. That's got

that uncanny valley feel to it, doesn't

it?

>> It's It's not impossible.

>> No, no, it's not impossible to achieve,

but it's not it's not possible to

maintain that kind of leanness. I mean,

that's like like you're you're also at

that point they're he's dehydrating and

all sorts of things.

>> Oh, it's based on a real person.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Based on,

>> right, but it's not a real person. What

does he really look like?

>> Like those images, I think, are

[ __ ]

>> Some of them are. Is that real? Okay.

That That looks real. That looks like a

really jack bodybuilder.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah, that looks real. Like that's

achievable. But there's a few of those

images where you're just like, "What's

going on here?"

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Um

>> Well, I mean, you see you see

>> that guy is that is that the

>> that's the real dude?

>> Well, there's that that that Icelandic

dude who's Thor.

>> Oh, yeah. The guy who jumps in the

frozen lakes and [ __ ]

>> Well, the guy who played the mountain.

Um

>> Oh, that guy.

>> That is that is like a that that is like

a a mutant strong human. Yes.

>> Like like uh he would be in like the

X-Men or something, you know?

>> He's just like not like uh

>> and there's that you know that have you

seen that meme tent and tent bag?

>> Um you know how like it's like it's

really hard to get the tent tent in

>> Oh, right. Right.

>> That's true.

>> Then there's a picture of of him and his

girlfriend.

That's hilarious.

>> Yeah, that's

>> I don't know how it gets in there, you

know? It's like it seems too small. But

>> I met Brian Shaw. Brian Shaw is like the

world's most powerful man. And he's

almost 7 feet tall. He's 400 lb.

>> And his his bone density is 1 in 500

million people. So there's one it's like

there's like maybe 16 people.

>> He's an enormous human being. like a

legitimate giant just like that guy. But

we met him. He was hanging out with us

in the green room of the mother ship.

It's like, okay, if this was like David

and Goliath days, like this is an actual

giant like the giants of the Bible.

>> Once in a while they get a super giant

person.

>> This is a real a real one. Like not a

tall skinny basketball player, like a 7

foot 400B powerliffter.

>> Like you don't want to especially look

at him. That's the guy. See if there's a

photo of him standing next to like a

regular human. I

>> was trying to get

>> There it is. That's him right there.

Like there's like there's like one of

him with next to standing next to Arnold

and stuff and it's where and everyone

everyone just looks tiny.

>> I mean I think he's a pretty cool dude

actually.

>> Oh, Brian's very cool. Very smart, too.

Unusually, you know, you expect anybody

to be that big. It's got to be a [ __ ]

>> No.

>> Yeah. There was there's Andre the Giant

who was awesome. You

>> he was great in Princess Bride and

>> No, he was just awesome period.

>> Yeah. Yeah. So, we were talking about um

this interview with Sam Alman and

Tucker, and I was like, we should

probably just talk about this on the air

because it is one of the craziest

interviews I think I've ever seen in my

life.

>> Yeah.

>> Where Tucker starts bringing up this guy

who was a whistleblower, whatever.

>> A whistleblower who, you know,

>> committed suicide, but it doesn't look

like it.

>> And and he's talking to Sam Alman about

this. And Sam Alton was like, "Are you

accusing me?" He's like, "No, no, no.

I'm not. I'm just saying I I think

someone killed him.

>> Yeah. And like And it should be

investigated.

>> Yeah.

>> Um not just drop the case.

>> It seems like

>> they just dropped the case. Yeah. Yeah.

But his parents think he was murdered.

>> Yeah.

>> Um the wires to a security camera were

cut. Um

>> blood in two rooms.

>> Blood in two rooms. Someone else's wig

was in the room. And

>> someone else's wig.

>> Wig.

>> Wig. Yes. Not his wig.

>> Not normal to have a wig laying around.

>> Yes. Um and um and he ordered Door Dash

uh right before allegedly committing

suicide.

>> Uh which uh is it seems unusual, you

know?

>> Yeah.

>> It's like, you know, let's I'm going to

order pizza on second thoughts, I'll

kill myself. Uh is it seems like that's

a very rapid change in mindset.

>> It's very weird. And especially the

parents have they they don't believe he

committed suicide at all.

>> Has no note or anything.

>> No.

>> Yeah.

>> It seems pretty [ __ ] up. And you know,

the idea that a whistleblower for an

enormous AI company that's worth

billions of dollars might get whacked,

that's not outside the pale.

>> I mean, it's straight out of a movie.

>> Right out of a movie, but right out of a

movie is real sometimes.

>> Yeah. Right. Exactly.

>> It's a little weird that I I think they

should do a proper investigation. Like,

what's the downside on that proper

investigation?

>> Right.

>> No.

>> Yeah,

>> for sure. But the whole exchange is so

bizarre.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

Sam Alman's reaction to being accused of

murder is bizarre.

>> Look, I don't know if he's guilty, but

it's not possible to look more guilty.

>> So, I'm like,

>> or look more weird.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, maybe it's just his social

thing. Like, maybe he's just odd with

confrontation and it just goes blank,

you know? But if if somebody was

accusing me of killing Jamie, like if

Jamie was a whistleblower and Jamie got

whacked and then I'd be like, "Wait,

what are you what are you are you

accusing me of killing my friend?" Like,

"What the [ __ ] are you talking about?" I

would I would be a little bit more I

rate.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You know, it would

be

>> I would be a little upset.

>> Yeah. It'd be like Well, you'd be like,

you'd certainly in insist on a thorough

investigation. Yeah.

>> As opposed to trying to sweep it under

the rug.

>> Yeah. I wouldn't assume that he got that

he committed suicide. I would be

suspicious. If Tucker was telling me

that aspect of the story, I'd be like,

"That does seem like a murder. [ __ ] We

should look into this."

>> I mean, all signs point to it being a

murder. Not not saying, you know, Tim

Molvin had anything to do with the

murder, but uh

>> blood in two rooms.

>> It's blood in two rooms. Like, yeah,

there's the wires to the security camera

and the door dash being ordered right

before suicide. No suicide note. his

parents think uh he was murdered and um

the people that I know who knew him said

he was not suicidal.

So I'm like this why would you jump to

the conclusion

>> parents sued the

>> uh landlord?

>> They sued the son's landlord alleged the

owners and the managers of their son's

San Francisco apartment building were

part of a widespread cover up of his

death.

>> The landlord

>> Yeah. There's a bunch of weird They said

there was like packages missing from the

building. Some people said they saw

packages still being delivered and all a

sudden they all disappeared.

>> Huh. But that could be people steal

people's packages all the time.

>> The porch pirate situation.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Says they failed to safeguard.

>> Also, I mean, the amount of trauma those

poor parents have gone through with

their son dying like that. I mean, it

must

>> God bless them. And how could they stay

sane after something like that? They're

probably they're so griefstricken. Who

knows what they believe at this point.

>> Yeah. It should have asked if Epson

killed himself.

Yeah, that's the the Cash Mattel thing.

Cash Mattel Dan Bonino trying to

convince everybody of that. Like, okay.

>> The guards weren't there and the cameras

stopped working and um

>> you know,

>> the guards were asleep. The cameras

weren't working. He had a a giant

steroided up bodybuilder guy that he was

sharing a cell with that was a murderer

who was a bad cop. Like, all of it's

kind of nuts. All of it's kind of nuts

like that he would just kill himself

rather than reveal all of his

billionaire friends.

>> Yeah.

>> And then

>> did you see Tim Dylan talking to Chris

Cuomo about this?

>> I did. He liked the idea.

>> Chris Cromo just looked so stupid.

>> Tim just listed off all the

>> Tim just and he's like I agree it is

strange. Like of course it's strange

Chris. Jesus Christ. You can't just go

with the tide. You got to think things

through. And if you think that one

through, you're like, I don't think he

killed himself. Nobody does. You'd have

to work for an intelligence agency to

think he killed himself.

>> It does. It does seem unlikely.

>> It seems highly unlikely.

Highly, highly unlikely. All roads point

to murder.

>> Yes.

>> Point to they had to get rid of him

because he knew too much. Whatever the

[ __ ] he was doing, whatever kind of an

asset he was, whatever thing he was up

to, you know, was apparently very

effective.

>> Yes. And a lot of people are

compromised.

You see, your boy Bill Gates is now

saying climate change is not a big deal.

Like, relax everybody. I know I scared

the [ __ ] out of you for the last decade

and a half, but ah, we're going to be

fine.

>> Yeah. I mean,

you know, as was I was saying just

before coming into the studio with, you

know, it like every day there's some

crazy wild new thing that's happening.

It's It feels like reality is

accelerating.

>> It's every day. And Every day it's like

more and more ridiculous to the point

where the simulation is more and more

undeniable.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It really feels like

simulation, you know? It's like, come

on. What are the odds that this could be

the case?

>> Are you paying attention at all to Three

Atlas? Are you watching the

>> the comet?

>> Yeah. Whatever it is.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, one thing I

can say is like, look, I

if if I was aware of any evidence of

aliens, um, you Joe, you have my word. I

will come on your show and I will reveal

it on the show.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah,

>> that's a good deal.

>> Yeah, it's pretty good.

>> I'll believe you. Yeah, thank you.

>> I I'll stick I keep my you know, keep my

promises. So, um

>> All right. I'll hold you to that.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And and I'm never committing

suicide to be clear.

>> I don't think you would either.

>> So, on camera, guys, I am never

committing suicide ever.

>> If someone says you committed suicide, I

will fight tooth and nail.

>> I will fight tooth and nail. I will I

will not believe it. I will not believe

it. The thing about the three eye atlas

is it's

>> a hell of a name actually.

>> Yeah, it's a third eye sounds like third

eye or something.

>> Yeah, it does. Three eye is third. It's

only the third interstellar object

that's detected.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. Obias.

>> Yeah. Alo was on the podcast a couple

days ago talking about it.

>> Yeah. It could be. I don't know. But I

>> apparently today they're saying that

it's changed course. Um,

>> did you see that, Jamie?

>> Avi said something today. I'll send it

to you. Um,

>> uh, I know it's on Reddit.

>> Here you go, Jamie. I'll send it to you

right now. Um, it's fascinating. It's

fascinating also because it's made

almost entirely of nickel, whatever it

is. And the only way that exists, uh,

here is, uh, industrial alloys

apparently. Um um most no there are

there are

>> there are definitely uh comets that and

asteroids that are made primarily of

nickel in fact. Yeah. So the the places

where um you mine nickel on earth is

actually where there was an asteroid or

comet that hit earth that was a nickel

rich uh you know

>> nickel rich nickel rich rich deposit.

>> Yeah that's that's that's it's coming.

Those are from impacts. You definitely

didn't want to be there at the time

because anything would have been

obliterated. Right. Um, but that's

that's where the the sources of nickel

and cobalt are these days.

>> So, this is Ovio Lope. A few hours ago,

the first hint of non-gravitational

acceleration that something other than

gravity is affecting its acceleration,

meaning something is affecting its

trajectory beyond gravity was indicated.

Interesting.

Um

so it's mostly nickel very little iron

which uh he was saying uh is on earth

only exists in alloys but whatever you

know you're dealing with another planet

>> there this there are there are there are

cases where there's very nickel richch

asteroids meteorites that heavy that

something from space.

>> Yeah it it's only yeah it doesn't mean

it'll be a very sort of heavy spaceship

if you make it all out of nickel. Oh

yeah.

>> And [ __ ] huge. The size of Manhattan

and all nickel. That's kind of nuts.

>> Yeah, that's a heavy spaceship.

>> That's a real problem if it hits.

>> Uh yes. No, it would like obliterate a

continent type of thing.

>> Um maybe maybe worse.

>> Probably kill most of human life.

>> Um

>> if not all of us.

>> I haven't depends on what the the total

mass is. But um there's I mean the thing

is like in the fossil record there are

um you know there's like arguably

arguably five major extinction events.

um like the biggest one of which is the

Perine extinction uh where um almost all

life was eliminated. That that actually

occurred over several million several

million years. Um the there's the

Jurassic. I think Jurassic is I think

that one's pretty definitively an

asteroid. Um and um but there's but

there's been five major extinction

events, but um but what they don't count

are really the ones that merely take out

a continent.

>> So

>> merely

>> Yeah. cuz that that because those don't

really show up on the fossil record, you

know,

>> right?

>> Um so unless it's enough to cause a you

know mass extinction event throughout

Earth, it it doesn't show up, you know,

in a fossil record that's uh 200 million

years old. Um so the uh yeah but but

there have been many um many impacts

that would have sort of destroyed all

life on you know let's say half of North

America or something like that. there

many such impacts through the course of

history.

>> Yeah. And there's nothing we can do

about it right now.

>> Yeah. There was one that um hits there

was a one that hit Siberia and destroyed

I think um few hundred square miles.

>> Oh, that's the Tungusa.

>> Yeah. That's the one from the 1920s,

right?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. That's the one that coincides with

that meteor that uh comet storm that we

go through every June and every November

that they think is responsible for that

younger dest.

>> Yeah. Yeah, all that shit's crazy. Um,

thank you before we go any further for

letting us have a tour of SpaceX and

letting us be there for the rocket

launch.

>> One of the absolute coolest things I've

ever seen in my life. And we we've we

were we thought it was only like I

thought it was a half a mile. Jamie's

like it was a mile away. Turned out it's

almost two miles away. And you feel it

in your chest.

>> Yeah. It's

>> you have to wear earplugs and you feel

it in your chest and it's 2 miles away.

>> It was [ __ ] amazing. And then to go

with you up into the command center and

to watch all the Starlink satellites

with all the different cameras and all

in real time as it made its way all the

way to Australia. How many minutes? Like

35 40 minutes.

>> Yeah.

>> Wild it touchdown in Australia.

>> Yeah.

>> [ __ ] crazy. It was amazing.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Absolutely amazing. The starship's

awesome. Um, and anyone can go watch the

launch actually. So, you can just go to

um, South Padre Island, get has a great

view of the launch. Um, so it's like

where a lot of spring breakers go.

>> Um, but um, but we'll be flying pretty

frequently um, out of Starbase in South

Texas. And we we formally incorporated

it as a city. So, it's it's actually a

legally an actual legal city, Starbase,

Texas.

>> Um, it's not that often you hear like,

hey, we made a city, you know. Um, that

used to be like the like in in the old

days like a startup would be you go and

gather a bunch of people and say, "Hey,

let's go make a town." Literally, that

was like that would have been startups

in in in the old days.

>> Um,

>> or a country.

>> Yeah. Or a country.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Actually,

>> if you tried doing that today, there'd

be a real problem.

>> Yeah. That things are so much so much

set in stone on the country front these

days. You might pull it off. You might

be able to pull it off. If you got a a

solid island, you might be able to pull

it off.

>> You know, it's probably,

>> you know, like like at

owns lai.

>> Yeah, you could probably if you put if

you put enough effort into it, you could

make a new country.

>> This is one of the different ones. This

is one of the ones that you catch,

>> right? Or is that one?

>> Yeah, that that's the booster. So that's

the super heavy booster. Uh so that's

the one with the booster's got 33

engines. Um

that that uh um and it's you know by

version four that will have about 10,000

tons of thrust. Um you know right now

it's about 7 8,000 tons of thrust. Um,

that's that's the largest flying object

ever made.

>> I had to explain to someone. They were

going, "Why do they blow up all the time

if he's so smart?" Because there was

there was this [ __ ] idiot on

television. Some guy was being

interviewed and they were talking about

you. And he goes, "Oh, I think he's a

fuckwit." And he goes, "He's a fuckwit."

And he goes, "Why you say he's [ __ ] Oh,

his rockets keep blowing up." And

someone said, "Yeah, well, why do his

rockets blow?" And I had to explain.

Yeah. Because it's the only way you find

out what the tolerances are. You have to

you have to a few

>> corners of the box. So, so like so when

you do a new uh rocket development

program, um you you have to uh do what's

called uh you know, exploring the

limits, the corners of the box where you

say it's like you worst case this, worst

case that um to figure out um uh where

where the limits are. So uh you blow up,

you know, not not admittedly in the

development process sometimes blows up

accidentally. Um but but we

intentionally subject it to uh uh you

know a flight regime that is much worse

than what we expect in normal flight so

that when we put people on board or

valuable cargo it doesn't blow up. Um so

um so so for example for the the flight

that you saw we we actually deliberately

took um heat shield tiles off the the

the ship the off of Starship in in some

of the worst locations to say okay if we

lose a heat shield tile here is it is it

catastrophic or is it not? Um and we we

nonetheless uh Starship was able to do a

soft landing um in uh in the Indian

Ocean just uh west of Australia. Um

which as and it got there from Texas in

like I don't know 354 minutes type of

thing. So

>> So it landed even though you put it

through this situation where it has

compromised shield.

it it had an an an an unusually we we we

brought it in hot like an an extra hot

trajectory uh with missing tiles um to

see if it would still make it to a soft

landing which it did. Now I I should

point out it did have there were some

holes that were burnt into it. Um but

it's it was robust enough to land

despite having some holes burnt you know

that that you know cuz it's coming it's

coming in like a blazing meteor. You can

see you can see the real time video.

Well, tell me the speed again because

the the speed was bananas. You were

talking about

>> Yeah, it's like 17,000 mph

like like 25 times the speed of sound or

thereabouts. So, um the uh uh so so

think of it like it's it's like 12 times

faster than a bullet from an assault

rifle. You know, bullet from assault

rifles around Mach 2

>> and it's just and it's huge.

>> Yeah.

Yeah. Or or if you compare it to like a

bullet from a um you know a 45 or or 9

mil which is subsonic that's you know it

it'll be about 30 times faster than a

bullet from a handgun.

>> 30 times faster than a bullet from a

handgun and it's the size of a

skyscraper.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. That's fast.

>> It's so wild. It's so wild to see, man.

It It's uh It's so exciting. This the

factor is so exciting too because like

genuinely no [ __ ] I felt like I was

witnessing history. I felt like it was a

scene in a movie where someone had

expectations and they like what are they

doing? They're building rockets. And you

go there and as we were walking through

Jamie, you could speak to this too.

Didn't you have the feeling where you're

like

>> oh this is way bigger than I thought it

was. This is huge. Awesome.

>> Gigantic.

>> [ __ ] crazy.

>> That's what she said. the ah the amount

of rockets you're making. I don't know

if you

>> tent back.

>> Gig Chad in the house.

>> This is way big.

>> It's a giant metal dick. You're [ __ ]

[ __ ] the universe with your giant

metal dick. That's

>> I mean, yeah, it is. It is very big.

>> And the sheer numbers of them that you

guys are making. And then this is a

version and you have a new updated

version that's coming soon.

>> And what is the It's a It's a little

longer. Um

>> more pointy.

>> Uh it's the same amount of pointy. Um

but the there's it's it's got a bit more

length. Um the the interstage, you see

that that interstage section with kind

of like the grill area.

>> Mhm.

>> Um that's uh that's now integrated with

the boost stage. Um so uh we do um

what's called hot staging. Uh where we

light the ship engines while it's still

attached to the booster. So the boost

the booster engines are still thrusting.

is still it's it's uh you know it's

still being pushed forward by the

booster of the ship. Uh but then we

light the ship engines and the ship

engines actually pull away from the

booster even though the booster engines

are still firing.

>> Whoa.

>> Um so it's blasting flame through uh

that that grill section but we integrate

that grill section into uh the boost

stage with the next uh version of the

rocket. Um and uh and explosion in the

rocket will have the Raptor 3 engines

which are a huge improvement. Um you may

you may have seen them in the lobby

because we got like the Raptor 1, two,

and three. And you can see the dramatic

improvement in simplicity. Um we should

probably put a plaque there to also show

how much the we reduced the weight uh

the cost and the and improved the

efficiency and the uh thrust. So the

Raptor 3 uh has uh you know almost twice

the thrust of Raptor Raptor 1.

>> Wow.

>> So you see Raptor 3. It looks like it

looks like it's got parts missing.

Right.

>> And how many

>> It's very very clean.

>> How many of them are on the rocket?

>> There's 33 on the on the booster.

>> Whoa. Um and and each of each Raptor

engine is producing twice as much thrust

as all four engines on a 747.

Wow. So that engine is smaller than a

747 engine, but is producing, you know,

um you know, almost 10 times the thrust

of a 747 engine. Um so extremely high

power to weight ratio. Um

and um

>> and so when there's

>> 33 of them

>> you when you so when you're designing

these you get to Raptor one you see its

efficiency you see where you can improve

it you get to Raptor 2 how many how far

can you scale this up with just the same

sort of technology with propellant and

ignition and engines like how much

further can you

>> I mean we're pushing the limits of

physics here um so um

and and really in order to to make a a

fully reusable orbital rocket which no

one has succeeded in doing uh yet

including including us. Um but but uh

Starship is the first time that there is

a design for a rocket where where full

and rapid reusability is actually

possible. So it was not there's not

there's not even been a design before

where it was possible. Certainly not a

design that that that got made any

hardware at all. Um just we just we just

live we live on a planet uh where the

gravity uh is is is quite high like

earth's gravity is quite really quite

quite high. Um um and if the gravity was

even 10 or 20% uh higher uh we'd be

stuck on Earth forever. Um like we yeah

we could not use certainly couldn't use

conventional rockets. You'd have to like

blow yourself off the surface with like

a nuclear bomb or something crazy. Um so

but on the other hand if if Earth's

gravity was just a little lower like

even 10 20% lower it then uh getting to

orbit would be easy. So it's like it's

like it's like this if this was a video

game it's set to like maximum difficulty

but not impossible.

>> Okay.

>> Um so that's that's where we have um

here. So it's it's not as though um

others have uh ignored the concept of

reusability. they've just uh concluded

that it was too difficult to achieve.

And we've been working at on on this for

a long time at at SpaceX. Um and um you

know, I'm the chief engineer of the

company. Um although I should say that

that uh you know, we have an extremely

talented engineering team. I think we've

got the best uh rocket engineering team

that has ever been assembled. Um uh it's

it's an honor to work with such such

incredible people. Um so uh so so it's

fair to say that you know we have not

yet succeeded in creating in achieving

full reusability but we at last have a

rocket uh where full reusability is

possible. Um and I think I think we'll

achieve it next year. So um

uh that's a that's a really big deal.

And the reason the reason that's that's

such a big deal is that full reusability

um uh drops the cost of access to space

by a hundred

um maybe even more than 100 actually. So

could be like a thousand. The you can

think of it like any mode of transport.

Like imagine if aircraft were were not

reusable. Like you flew somewhere, you

throw the plane like like imagine if

like the way the way conventional

rockets work is it would be like if you

had an airplane and and and instead of

landing at your destination, you

parachute out um and the plane crashes

somewhere and you land at your desk and

you and you land on a parachute at your

destination. Now that would be a very

expensive trip

and you and you'd need another plane to

get back. Okay. Um, but that's how the

other rockets in the world work. Um, now

the SpaceX Falcon rocket is the only one

that is is there that is at least mostly

reusable. You've se you've seen the

Falcon rocket, you know, land. We've now

done over 500 landings of of the SpaceX

rocket of the of the Falcon 9 rocket. Um

and um and and this year um you know we

we'll deliver probably I don't know

somewhere between 2200 and 2500 tons to

orbit um with with the Falcon 9 uh

Falcon Heavy rockets uh not counting

anything for from Starship. Um

>> and this is mostly Starlink. Yes, mostly

Starling, but we launch uh many other we

even launch our competitors on um

competitors to Starink on on Falcon 9.

We charge them the same price. Pretty

fair. Um uh but uh SpaceX this year will

deliver um roughly 90% of all Earth mass

to orbit.

>> Wow.

>> Um and then of the remaining 10% um most

of that is done by China. And then the

then the remaining kind of roughly 4% is

uh everyone else in the world including

our America uh domestic competitors.

>> You know um it's kind of incredible how

many things are in space like how many

things are floating above us now?

>> There's a lot of things.

>> Yeah.

>> Is there though?

>> Right.

But is there a saturation point where

we're going to have problems with all

these different satellites that are

>> um I think as long as the satellites are

um maintained uh there's there it'll be

fine. This space is very roomy. Um it's

like you can think of um like space as

being concentric shells of the surface

of the earth. So, um, you know, there's

there's it's the surface of the earth,

but but there's it's a series

>> much larger.

>> Yeah. It's like a series of concentric

trails. Um,

>> and think of an Airstream trailer flying

around up there. There's a lot of room

for air streams.

>> Yeah. I mean, imagine Yeah. If there

just a few thousand airirstreams um on

on Earth.

>> Yeah.

>> What are the odds that they'd hit each

other? You know,

>> they wouldn't be very crowded. No. And

then you got to go bigger.

>> Yeah.

>> Because you're dealing with far above

Earth.

>> Hundreds of miles above Earth.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, it's the um but the goal of

SpaceX is to get rocket technology to

the point where we can extend life

beyond Earth and that we can establish a

self-sustaining city on Mars. Uh a

permanent base on the moon. That would

be very cool. I mean, imagine if we had

like a, you know, moon base alpha where

there's like a permanent science base on

the moon.

>> That would be pretty dope. Or at least a

tourist trap.

>> I mean, a lot of people be willing to go

to the moon for just for a tour. That's

for sure. We could probably pay for our

space program with that, you know,

>> probably. Yeah. Well,

>> because it's like if if you if you could

go to the moon with and and safely,

>> uh

I think we'd get a lot of people uh

would would pay for that, you know.

>> Oh, 100%. After the first year, after

nobody died for like

>> Yeah. Just make sure. Exactly. Are you

going to come back? Yeah.

>> Because like that submarine, they they

had a bunch of successful launches in

that private submarine before it

imploded and killed everybody. That was

not a good design. Obviously,

>> it was a very bad design. Terrible

design.

>> And the engineers said it would not

withstand the pressure of those depths.

Like there was a lot of whistleblowers

in that company too.

>> Yeah. Um they they they made that out of

uh carbon fiber which is it doesn't make

any sense because um you actually need

you need to be dense to go down. Um in

any case, just make it out of steel. If

you make it out of uh sort of just, you

know, a big steel casting, that's that's

you you'll be safe and nothing. Why

would they make it out of carbon fiber

then? Is it cheaper?

>> Um I think they think carbon fiber

sounds cool or something. But uh

>> it does sound cool.

>> It it sounds cool, but um because it's

such it's such low density, you actually

actually have to add extra mass to go

down because it's it's low density. But

if you just have a giant, you know,

hollow ball bearing, uh you're going to

be fine.

>> Speaking of carbon fiber, did you check

out my unplugged Tesla out there?

>> Yeah, it's cool.

>> Pretty sick, right? Yeah. Have you guys

ever thought about doing something like

that? like having like an AMG division

of Tesla where you do like custom stuff.

>> Um

I think it's best to leave that to the

custom shops. Uh you know we're we're

like Tesla's focus is autonomous cars.

Um you know building kind of futuristic

autonomous cars. Um

so

um

like I think it's we want the future to

look like the future. Um, so the did

like did you see like our designs for

like the sort of the robotic bus? It

looks pretty cool.

>> The robotic bus is also being totally

auton

but it looks it looks cool. It's it's

very art deco. It's it's like it's like

futuristic art deco. Um, and um,

it it does it like I think we want to

change the aesthetic over time. You

don't want the aesthetic to be constant

over time. You want to evolve the

aesthetic. Um, so um, you know, like my

like I have a son who's he's like, you

know, he's he's he's like even more

autistic than me and um and, uh, but

he's he has these great observations.

Who is this?

>> A Saxon. He has these great observations

in the world uh because he's he just

views the world through a different lens

than than most people. Um and he was

like, "Dad, why does the world look like

it's 2015?"

>> And I'm like, "Damn, the world does look

like it's 2015." Like the aesthetic has

not evolved since 2015.

>> Oh, that's what it looks like.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, wow.

>> That's pretty cool.

>> Oh, yeah. That's like

>> like You'd want to see that going down

the road, you know?

>> Yeah. You'd be like, "Okay, this is

we're in the future." You know, it

doesn't look like 2015.

>> What is that ancient science fiction

movie? Like one of the first science

fiction movies ever. Is it Metropolis?

Is that what it is?

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. That looks like it belongs in

Metropolis.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's a futuristic art deco.

>> All right. Yeah. Well, that's cool that

you're concentrating on the aesthetic. I

mean, that's kind of the whole deal with

Cybertruck, right? Like, it didn't have

to look like that.

>> No, it it I just wanted to have

something that looked really different.

Is it a pain in the ass for people to

get it insured because it's all solid

steel and

>> um I hope it's not too much. I you know

Tesla does offer insurance so people can

always get it get it insured at Tesla.

>> Um well but the like it is the form does

follow a function in the case of the

cybert truck because um as you

demonstrated with with your

armorpiercing arrow um because if you

shot that arrow at a regular truck I

mean

>> it exactly you would have found your

arrow in the wall. Yeah. Um, you know,

it would very least it would have buried

into one of the seats.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's but like you could you

could definitely make uh get enough of

bow velocity and and the right the right

arrow would go through both doors of a

regular truck and and and land on the

wall.

>> If there was a clear shot between both

doors, it probably would have passed

right through.

>> Exactly. Um but but you know the the

arrow shattered on the cybert truck cuz

it's it's ultra hard uh stainless. Mhm.

>> Um, so, um, and I thought it' be I

thought it'd be cool to have a, you

know, a truck that is bulletproof to a

subsonic projectile. Um, so, um, you

know, especially in this day and age,

you know, like as as a if, if the

apocalypse happens, you're going to want

to have a bulletproof truck, you know.

Um, so so then because because it's made

of ultra hot stainless, it's you can't

just stamp the the panels. You can't

just put in a stamping press because it

breaks the press.

So, so in order to actually, so it has

to has to be planer

um because it's so difficult to bend it

because it breaks the machine that bends

it. Um that's why that's why it's it's

it's it's so planer and and it's not uh

you know it's it's because it's

bulletproof steel is the

>> So it is like boxy as opposed to like

curved and

>> Yeah. You just in order to make in order

to make like the curved shapes, you you

you take you take uh uh basically mild

steel like um anneal thin and thin

anneal in a regular truck or car. The

you take you take mild thin anneal

steel, you put it in a stamping press

and it just sm it just smooshes it and

makes it to whatever the shape whatever

shape you want. But the Cybert truck is

made made of ultra hard stainless. Um

and and and so you can't stamp it

because it would break the stamping

press.

So it even bending it is hard. So even

to bend it to uh its current position,

we have to way overbend it. Um and and

so it gets so that when it springs back,

it's in in the right position.

Um, so it's uh I don't know like I I

think if you want to like I think it's

it's it's a unique aesthetic. Um, and

you say, "Well, what's cool about a

truck?" Trucks are trucks are like

should be I don't know manly. They

should be macho, you know, and

bulletproof is maximum macho macho.

>> Are you married to that shape now? Like

is it can you do anything to change it?

Like as you get further like I know you

guys updated the three and the Y. Did

you update the Y as well?

>> Yes, the the three and the Y uh are

updated. Um you know, there's like a um

there's there's a a screen in the back

for the kid that the kids can watch, for

example, in the new 3 and Y. Um uh so in

the new Y, um there's, you know, it's

it's an there's there's there's like

hundreds of improvements. Like we keep

improving the car. Um and even the

Cybert truck, we you know, we keep

improving it. Um but um

you know I wanted to just do something

that that looked unique and and the

cybert truck looks unique and has unique

functionality and there was and it was

like there were three things as I report

like let's make it bulletproof. Uh let's

uh make it faster than a Porsche 911.

Uh, and we actually cleared the quarter

mile. The Cybert truck, the the uh can

uh clear a quarter mile while towing a

Porsche 911 faster than a Porsche 911.

Um, it can out tow an F350 diesel.

>> Really?

>> Yes.

>> What is the tow limitations?

>> I mean, we could tow like a, you know, a

747 in that with a cy. Cybert truck is

an insanely like it is an it is alien

technology. Okay. Um cuz it it shouldn't

be possible to be uh that big and that

fast. Uh that doesn't it's like an

elephant that runs as as like a cheetah.

>> Yeah. Because it's 0 to 60 in less than

3 seconds, right?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. And it's enormous. What does it

weigh? Like 7,000 lbs.

>> Uh yeah, there's different

configurations, but it's about that.

Uh it's a beast.

>> Yeah.

>> Um so and it's and it's got it's got

four-wheel steering. So the the rear

wheel steer, too. So it's got a it's got

a very tight turning radius.

>> Yeah. We noticed that we when we drove

one to Star Base.

>> Yeah. Very tight turning radius.

>> Yeah. Pretty sick.

>> Yeah.

>> Are you still doing the Roadster?

>> Yes. Eventually,

>> we're getting close to

demonstrating the prototype

>> and I think this will be

I I I I one thing I can guarantee is

that this product demo will be

unforgettable.

Unforgettable.

>> How so?

Whether it's good or bad,

it will be unforgettable.

Um,

>> can you say more? What do you mean?

>> Well, you know, my friend Peter Teal,

um, you know, uh, once reflected that

the future was supposed to have flying

cars, but we don't have flying cars.

>> So, you're going to be able to fly?

Well, I mean,

uh,

I think if Peter wants a flying car, we

should should be able to buy one.

>> So, you are you actively considering

making an electric flying car? Is this

like a real thing?

>> Well, we have to see in the

>> in the demo. So, when you do this, like

are are you going to have a retractable

wing? Like, what is the idea behind

this?

Don't be sly. Come on.

>> I I I can't I can't uh do the unveil

before the unveil. Um but um

>> tell me off air then.

>> I I I it look I I think it has a shot at

being the most memorable

um product unveil

ever.

It has a shot.

>> And when do you plan on doing this?

What's the goal?

>> Uh hopefully before the end of the year.

>> Really?

>> Before the end of this year.

>> This is I mean we're in a couple months.

>> Hopefully in a couple months. Um

you know we need to make sure that it

works. Uh

like this is some crazy crazy technology

we got in this car. Crazy

technology. Crazy crazy.

So different than what was previously

announced and

>> Yes.

>> And is that why you haven't released it

yet? Cuz you keep [ __ ] with it.

>> It has crazy technology.

>> Okay.

>> Like is it even a car? I'm not sure.

It's like

it looks like a car.

Let's just put this way. It it's it's

crazier than anything James Bond. If you

took all the James Bond cars and

combined them, it's crazier than that.

>> Very exciting.

>> I don't know what to think of that.

>> I don't know.

>> It's a limited amount of information I'm

drawing from here.

>> Jamie's very suspicious over there. Look

at him.

>> Excited.

>> I'm interested.

>> It's still going to be the same.

>> Well, you know what? I mean, if if you

want to if you want to come a little

before the uh the unveil, I can show it

to you 100%. Yeah, let's go.

>> Yeah. Um

it's uh it's kind of crazy all the

different things that you're involved in

simultaneously and you know we talked

about this before your time management

but I I really don't understand it. I

don't understand how you can be paying

attention to all these different things

simultaneously. Starlink, SpaceX, Tesla,

boring company X you're tweet you

[ __ ] tweet or post rather all day

long. Well, it's more like I'm I'm I

could hop in for like two minutes and

then hop out, you know.

>> But I mean, just the fact that you could

do

>> bathroom break or whatever, you know,

>> I can't do that.

>> Um

>> if I hop in, I start scrolling and I

start looking around. Next thing you

know, I've lost an hour.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

so, no, it's for me it's it's a couple

minutes time usually. It's once in a

Sometimes I guess it's half an hour, but

usually I'm I'm I'm in for a few minutes

then out of of you know, posting

something on X. Uh, you know, it's I do

sometimes feel like it's sometimes like

that that meme of the guy who's like who

drops the grenade and leaves the room.

That's been me more than once on on X.

>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Um, it's

got to be fun, though. It's got to be

fun to know that you essentially

disrupted the entire social media chain

of command because there was a there was

a very clear thing that was going on

with social media. The government had

infiltrated it. They were censoring

speech

>> and until you bought it, we really

didn't know the extent of it. We kind of

assumed that there was something going

on.

>> Yeah. We had no idea that they were

actively involved in censoring actual

real news stories, real data, real

scientists, real professors silenced,

expelled, kicked off the platform.

>> Yeah.

>> Wild.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> For telling the truth.

>> For telling the truth. And I'm sure

you've also because I sent it to you

that chart that shows uh young kids,

teenagers identifying as trans and

non-binary literally stops dead when you

bought Twitter and starts falling off a

cliff when people are allowed to have

rational discussions now and actually

talk about it.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> Um Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I said at the

time like I think that like the the like

the reason for acquiring Twitter is

because um it was it it was c it was

causing destruction at a civilizational

level. Um it was um I mean I posted I

tweeted on on Twitter at the time that

um it it is um

you know it's it's

uh worm tongue for the world.

um you know like Worm Tongue from Lord

of the Rings uh where he would just sort

of like whisper these you know terrible

things to the king so the king would

believe these things that weren't true

um and and um unfortunately uh Twitter

really got it got like the the the woke

mob essentially they controlled Twitter

um and they were pushing uh a nihilistic

anti-vilizational mind virus to the

world. Um, and you can see the results

of that mind virus on the streets of San

Francisco, uh, where, you know, downtown

San Francisco looks like a zombie

apocalypse. Um, you know, it's it's bad.

Um, so we don't want the whole world to

be a zombie apocalypse. Um, but that's

uh that that that was essentially they

were pushing this very negative,

nihilistic, untrue worldview

on the world and it was causing a lot of

damage.

Um,

so

>> the stunning thing about it is how few

people course corrected. A bunch of

people woke up and realized what was

going on. People that were all on board

with like woke ideology in maybe 2015 or

16 and then and then eventually it comes

to affect them or they see it in their

workplace or they see and they're like,

"Whoa, whoa, whoa, we got to stop this."

Bunch of people did, but a lot of people

never course corrected.

>> Yeah. Um,

a lot of a lot of people didn't course

correct, but um, but it's gone

directionally in it's gone it's it's

directionally correct like you mentioned

like the like the massive spike in in

kids identifying as trans and then that

that spike dropping um after the the

Twitter acquisition. I think that um

simply allowing the truth to be told um

was that just shedding sun sunlight is

the best disinfectant as they say and

just allowing sunlight um kills the

virus

>> and it also changed the benchmark for

all the other platforms. Yes, you can't

just openly censor people and all the

other platforms and X is available. So

everybody else had a So like Facebook

announced they were changing YouTube

announced they were changing their

policies and they're kind of forced to

And then blue sky doubled down.

>> Well, like the problem is like if

>> uh essentially the woke mind virus

retreated to woke to to blue sky.

>> Yeah.

>> Um but it's where they're just a

self-reinforcing lunatic assign.

>> They're all just triple masked. I I was

I was totally watching this exchange on

a blue sky where someone said that

they're just trying to be zen about

something and then someone a moderator

immediately chimed in and why don't you

try to stop being racist against Asians

by saying something zen by saying I'm

trying to be zen about something. They

were accusing that person of being

racist towards Asians.

>> Yeah. It's it's just it's just

everyone's a hall monitor over there.

the worst hall monitor. A virgin like

incel.

>> They're all home monitors trying to rat

on each other.

>> Yeah, it's fascinating. And then people

say, "I'm leaving for blue sky like

Stephen King." And then a couple weeks

later, he's back on X. Just like, "Fuck

it. It's there's no one over there. It's

all a bunch of crazy people. You can

only stay in the asylum for so long.

Like, all right, this this is not good."

They all bail.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Threads is kind of like that, too.

Threads is

>> I' I've been on threads as is it? Well,

what happens is if you go on Instagram,

every now and then it'll something

really stupid will pop up on threads

like what the [ __ ] and it shows it to

you on Instagram and then I'll click on

that and then I'll go to threads and

it's like

>> you see posts with like 25 likes like

famous people like 50 like it's it's

down

>> but the people that post on there

they're finding that there's very little

push back from insane ideology so they

go there and they spit out nonsense and

very few people jump in to argue. you.

>> Yeah. Um,

>> very weird, very weird place.

>> I mean, I can generally get the vibe of

like what's taking off by seeing what's

showing up on X cuz that's the public

town square still. Um,

>> and uh or or uh you know what what links

show up in group texts, you know, if I'm

in group chat with friends, like where

where what what links are showing up?

>> That's what I try to do now. Only get

stuff that shows up in my group text

because that keeps me productive. So, I

only check if someone's like, "Dude,

what the fuck?" like, "All right, what

the [ __ ] Let me check it out."

>> If there's something that's crazy enough

that your it'll it'll end with the group

chat,

>> but there's always something. That's

what's nuts. There's always some new law

that's passed, some new insane thing

that California is doing. And it's like

like a giant chunk of it's happening in

California. The most preposterous things

that I get.

>> Yeah.

>> And then you got Gavin Newsome who's

running around saying we all have

California derangement syndrome. He's

just like ripping off Trump derangement

and calling it California derangement. I

was like, "No, no, no, no, no, no. The

the [ __ ] How many corporations have

left California?"

>> It's crazy.

>> Hundreds. Hundreds,

>> right? Hundreds.

>> That's not good.

>> Chick I mean, not Chick-fil-A. I mean,

uh I think In-N-Out left.

>> Yeah. In and Outlift. They moved to

Tennessee.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. They're like, "We can't do this

anymore."

>> Right. And

>> it's the California company for food.

It's like the greatest hamburger place

ever.

>> It's awesome.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. And no, actually speaking of like

like just sort of open source and like

looking at things openly like you I just

like going in and out and seeing them

make the burger.

>> Yeah. It's right there.

>> They chop the onions and they they you

know it's you just see everything

getting made in front of you.

>> Yeah.

>> It's great.

>> Um but yeah like like it should be like

how many wakeup calls do you need to say

that there needs to be reform in

California, you know?

>> Well, the crazy thing that Newsome does

is whenever someone brings up the

problems in California, he starts

rattling off all the positives. the most

Fortune 500 companies, highest

education. But yeah, that was all

already there, right before you were

governor.

>> But but how many Fortune 500 companies

have left California?

>> And then you guys spent $ 24 billion on

the homeless and it got way worse.

>> Yes. Like the homeless population

doubled or something like but like

people don't understand like the

homeless thing because it it sort of

prays on people's empathy and I I think

we should have empathy. Um and we should

try to help people. Um but the the the

uh the homeless industrial complex is is

really it's it's it's dark man. Um it

should be that that that that network of

NGOs's should be called like the drug

zombie farmers. Um because they they the

the more homeless people and and and

really like when you when you meet like

you know somebody who's like totally

dead inside shuffling along down the

street with a with a needle dang

dangling out of their leg. Homeless is

the wrong word. Like the homeless

implies that somebody got a little

behind in their mortgage payments and if

they just got a job offer, they'd be

back on their feet. But someone who's

I mean, you see these videos of people

that are just shuffling, you know,

they're on fentanyl. They're they're

like,

>> you know, taking a dump in the middle of

the street, you know, and they they got

like open sores and stuff.

>> They're not like one drop offer away

from getting back on their feet,

>> right? This is not a homeless issue.

>> Homeless is it's it's a propaganda word,

>> right? Um so and and then the the the

the

you know these sort of charities uh

inquiries are they they get money

proportionate to the number of homeless

people or or number of drug zombies.

>> So their incentive structure is to

maximize the number of drug zombies not

minimize it.

>> Um that's why they don't arrest the drug

dealers

>> because if they arrest the drug dealers

the drug zombies leave.

So they know who the drug dealers are.

They don't arrest them on purpose. Uh

because otherwise the drug zombies would

leave and they would they would stop

getting money from the state of

California and from from all the

charities.

>> Wait a minute. So So they So they is

that real? So they're in coordination

with law enforcement on this?

>> Yeah.

>> So how do they how do they have those

meetings?

>> They're all in cahoots.

>> Well, when you find this

>> it's like such it's it's this is a

diabolical scam. Um so uh and and San

Francisco has got this tax this this

gross receipts tax uh which which um

it's not even on revenue, it's on old

transactions which is why Stripe um and

Square and and and a whole bunch of

financial companies had to move out of

San Francisco because it wasn't a tax on

revenue, it's taxed on transactions. So

if if you did like, you know, trillions

of dollars transactions, it's not

revenue. You're taxed on any money going

through the system in San Francisco. Um

so um like Jack Dorsey pointed this out

and they said like that they had had to

move Square from San Francisco to uh

Oakland I think uh Stripe had to move

from San Francisco to South San

Francisco different city. Um and that

money uh goes to the homeless industrial

complex that that tax that was passed.

Um so um so there's billions of dollars

that go as you pointed out billions of

dollars every year that go to uh these

um non-governmental organizations that

are funded by the state. Like there's

it's not clear how to turn this off. Um

it's a self-licking ice cream cone

situation. Um so uh they get this money

the money is proportionate to the number

of of homeless people or or number of

drug zombies essentially. Um, so they

they they try to keep the that they try

to actually increase because that like

like in in some cases like there's it's

it's somebody did an analysis when you

add up all the money that's flowing,

they're getting close to a million

dollars per homeless per per drug

zombie. It's like $900,000 or something

like some crazy amount of money is is is

going to these organizations. So if if

so so they want to keep people just

barely alive. They need to keep them in

the area so they so they they get the

revenue. Uh uh so and so that's why like

said they don't arrest the drug dealers

because otherwise the drug zombies would

leave um and and and and they but but

they don't want you have to have too

much if they get too much drugs and they

then they die. So it's they they're kept

in this sort of perpetual

zone of of being addicted but um but but

just just barely alive.

>> So how is this coordinated with like DAs

DAs that don't prosecute people? So when

they when they hire the or they push so

they they fund the campaigns of the most

progressive, most out there leftwing

DAS, they get them into office.

>> We've got that issue in Austin, too, by

the way.

>> You see that guy that got shot in the

library?

>> No.

>> Yeah, I heard a guy got shot and killed

in the library.

>> I think that was just like last week or

something,

>> right?

>> Um so some friends of mine were telling

me that that like the library is unsafe.

like they took their kids to the library

and and there were like dangerous people

in the library in Austin and I was like

dangerous people in the library like

that's a strange it basically got like

got like uh drug zombies in drug zombies

in the library.

>> Oh Jesus.

>> Um

>> and that's when someone got shot.

>> Yeah, I believe this was should be on

the news. You might might be able to

pull it up. Um but I think it was just

in the last week or so that uh uh there

was a shooting in the library in Austin.

Um cuz Austin's got, you know, it's it's

the most liberal part of Texas that

we're in right right here. Um

>> so suspect involved the shooting Austin

Park Library Saturday is accused of

another shooting at the Cap Metro bus

earlier that day. According to an arrest

warrant affidavit, Austin police

arrested Harold Newton Keen, 55 short uh

shortly after the shooting of the

library, which occurred around noon. One

person sustained non-life-threatening

injuries in the event. Before that

shooting, Keane was accused of shooting

another person in a bus incident and

after reportedly pointing his gun at a

child. So, this is the fella down here.

>> So, like we just have a seriously have a

problem here. Um

>> yeah,

>> you know, so I I think one of the people

might have died too that he shot. Um so,

um like one of the people I think I

think did bleed out. Um

>> but either way, it's like getting shot

is still bad. Um it says uh the victim

told police it confronted the suspect

who started to eat what appeared to be

crystal methamphetamine.

According to the affidavit the victim

advised the suspect uh began to trip out

at which time the victim exited the bus.

Victim told the bus driver hit the panic

button and then exited the bus when he

turned around the observer. Black male

was now standing at the front of the bus

with the gun pointed at him. The victim

advised the black male fired a single

round which grazed his left hip. So he

shot at that dude and then another dude

got shot in the library. Fun.

>> Yeah. I mean in the library.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, where you're supposed to be

reading books. Um and there's a

children's section in the library and

says he pointed his gun at a at a kid. I

mean like we do have a serious issue in

the in in in America where um repeat

violent offenders need to be

incarcerated,

>> right? Um, and uh, you know, you got you

got cases where somebody's been arrested

like 47 times, right? Like literally.

Okay, that's just the number of times

they were arrested, not the number of

times they did things. Like most of the

times they do things, they're not

arrested. Um,

>> so lay this out for people so they

understand how this happens.

>> Yeah. And and the key is like this, it

prays on people's empathy. episode like

if you're a good person, you want good

things to happen in the world, you're

like, well, we should take care of

people who uh you know uh you know who

are down in their luck or you know

having a hard time in life. And I we

should I agree. But what we shouldn't do

uh is is put people who are violent drug

zombies uh in public places where they

can hurt other people. Um, and that's

what that is what we're doing that we

just saw where a a guy, you know, got

shot uh shot in the library and then but

even before that he shot another guy um

and pointed his gun at a kid. Um that

that that guy probably has like many

prior arrests. Um you know there was

that that that guy that that that knifed

uh the Ukrainian woman Arena.

>> Yes.

>> Um yeah. and you know um and she was

just she was just quietly on her phone

and you just came up and you know gutted

her basically.

>> Wasn't there a crazy story about the

judge who was involved who had

previously

dealt with this person was also invested

in a rehabilitation center and was

sending these

>> conflict of interest.

>> Yes. So sending people that they were

charging Yeah. to a rehabilitation

center instead of putting them in jail,

profiting from this rehabilitation

center, letting them back out on the

street. Yes. Violent, insane people.

>> And and there um in that case that I

believe that judge uh has no legal law

degree uh or a significant legal

experience that would allow them to be a

judge. They were just made a judge. That

there's like

>> you could be a judge without a law

degree.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah.

>> You could just be a So I could be a

judge.

>> Yeah. Oh,

exciting.

>> Anyone?

>> That's crazy. I thought you'd have to

It's like if you want to be a doctor,

you have to go to medical school. I

thought if you're going to be a judge,

>> if you're going to be appointed to a

judge, you have to have proven that you

have an uh excellent knowledge of the

law and that you will make your

decisions according to the law. That's

what we assume should be.

>> That's how you get the robe,

>> right?

>> You don't get the robe unless you do,

>> you know,

>> got to go to school to get the robe.

>> You got to know what the law is,

>> right? And then you're going to need to

make decisions in accordance with the

law

>> based on stuff that you already know cuz

you read it cuz you went to school for

it. Yes. Not you just got appointed.

>> Got vibes.

You can't be just vibing as a judge.

>> Vibing as a leftwing drudge. So you got

crazy leftwing DAS.

>> Yes.

>> Like I should say leftwing cuz leftwing

>> used to be normal.

>> Yeah. Left wing just meant like like

Yeah. You're like the left used to be

like pro pro- free speech. Yeah. And now

they're against it.

>> It used to be like prog gay rights, pro

women's right to choose, pro-

minorities, pro, you know,

>> like, yeah, like 20 years ago, I don't

know, it it used to be like left would

be like the the the party of empathy or

like, you know, caring and being nice

and that kind of thing.

>> Um, not not the party of like crushing

dissent and crushing free speech. um and

uh you know crazy regulation uh and and

just um and being super judgy u and

calling everyone a Nazi um you know um

like I think they called you and me

Nazis you know

>> oh yeah I'm a Nazi

>> I no I have friends that are comedians

that called you a Nazi and I got pissed

off Oh yeah yeah yeah definitely a Nazi

no because you did that thing at the My

heart goes out to you everyone everyone

All of them. Literally, Tim Walls, Kla

Harris, every one of them did it. They

all did it.

>> Like, like h how do you point at the

crowd? Yeah. How do you wave at the

crowd?

>> Do you know CNN was using a photo of me

whenever I got in trouble during co

>> from the UFC weigh-ins? And if the UFC

weigh-ins, I go, "Hey everybody, welcome

to the weigh-ins." And so they were

getting me from the side. And that was

the photo that they used. Conspiracy

theorist podcaster Joe Ro. Like that's

what they used.

>> Yeah. Yeah. But that's what the left is

today. It's super judgy and calling

everyone a Nazi and trying to suppress

freedom of speech.

>> Yeah. And eventually you run out of

people to accuse because people get

pissed off and they leave.

>> Yeah. Everyone it's like it like it it

no longer frankly it doesn't matter to

be called racist or Nazi or whatever

because

>> still recording.

>> It's the government man.

>> Is it working?

>> We're good. Okay.

>> Okay.

>> This thing working.

>> Yeah. Slight issue.

>> I'm the one that heard it. But

>> yeah. when you uh when you text people,

do you are you like keenly aware that

there's a high likelihood that someone's

reading your texts?

>> Um I guess I I guess I

>> I assume

>> I look if if if if intelligence agencies

aren't trying to read my phone, they

should probably be fired.

>> At least they get some fun memes.

I got to I got to crack them up once in

a while, you know.

>> Oh, for sure. I crack them up.

>> There's like, "Hey guys, check it out.

We've got a banger here, you know."

>> So, I want to I wanted to talk to you

about uh whether or not encrypted apps

are really secure.

>> Uh, no.

>> Right. Cuz I know the Tucker thing. So,

it was explained to me by a friend who

used to do this, used to work for the

government. It's like they can look at

your signal, but what they have to do is

take the information that's encrypted

and then they have to decrypt it and

it's very expensive. So they said he

told me that for the Tucker Carlson

thing when they found out that he was

going to interview Putin, it costs like

something like $750,000

just to decrypt his messages to find out

that they did it. So it is possible to

do. It's just not that easy to do.

I think you should view any given

messaging system as um uh not not

whether it's secure or not, but but

there are degrees of insecurity.

So um so there's just some things that

are less insecure than others. Um so um

you know on on X we just rebuilt the

entire messaging stack um into X what's

called XChat.

>> Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you

about.

>> Yeah, it's cool. Um, so it's it's using

uh sort of peer-to-peer uh sort of kind

of a peer-to-peer based uh uh encryption

system. So kind of similar to Bitcoin.

Um so it's uh it's it's I think very

good encryption. We're and you know

we're testing it thoroughly. We're not

there's there's no hooks in the X

systems for advertising. So if you look

look at something like WhatsApp or

really any of the others, they've got

they've got hooks in there for

advertising.

>> When you say hooks, what do you mean by

that?

>> Uh exactly. What do you mean biohook

advertising? Um the so like WhatsApp um

uh knows enough about what you're

texting to show you to show you to know

what ads to show you.

>> Ah

>> but then like that that's a massive

security vulnerability.

>> Yeah.

>> Um because if it knows if if it's got

information enough information to show

you ads, it's got enough it's got that's

a lot of information.

>> Yeah.

>> Um so they call it oh it's just don't

worry about it. It's just a hook for

advertising. I'm like uh okay. So

somebody can just uh use that same hook

to get in there and look at your

messages. Um so Xhat has no hooks for

advertising. Um and I'm not saying it's

perfect. Uh but it's an Our goal with

XChat uh is to replace what used to be

the Twitter you the Twitter DM stack

with a fully encrypted system uh where

you can text send files uh do audio

video calls um and um and it's it's you

know I think it'll be the least I would

call it the least insecure of any

messaging system.

>> Are you going to launch it as a

standalone app or is it will always be

incorporated to X?

>> Uh we'll have both. So um

>> so so be like signal so anybody can get

it

>> you can get get the you'll be able to

just get the X chat app by itself um and

like I said you could do uh texts uh

audio video calls uh or send files um

and there'll be a dedicated app uh which

will hopefully release in a few months

um but and then also integrated into the

X system

>> um the X phone people keeps talking keep

Is that

>> I have a lot on my plate man but it

keeps coming up it keeps coming up where

I I know I've asked you a couple times.

I'm like, "This is [ __ ] right?" But

like this one, so you're not working on

>> I'm not working on on a on a phone.

>> Okay.

>> Um

>> have you ever considered it? Has it ever

popped into your head?

>> Cuz you might be the only person that

could get people off of the Apple

platform.

>> Well, I can tell you where I think

things are going to go. uh which is that

it's we're not going to have a phone or

or in the traditional sense the

what we call a phone will really be

um an edge node for AI inference for for

AI video inference um with uh you know

with some radios to to obviously connect

uh to but but essentially you'll have

um uh AI on the server side commun

communicating to an AI on your your

device um you know formerly known as a

phone uh and generating real-time video

of anything that you could possibly

want. Um and I think that that there

won't be operating systems. There won't

be apps in the future. There won't be

operating systems or apps. It'll just be

you've got a device that is there for

the screen and audio and for uh and and

and to uh put as much AI on the on on

the device as possible. so as to

minimize the amount of bandwidth that's

needed between your edge node device or

formerly known as a phone and the

servers.

>> So if there's no apps, what will people

use? Like will X still exist? Will will

they be email platforms or will you get

everything through AI?

>> You'll get everything through AI.

>> Everything through AI. What will be the

benefit of that as opposed to having

individual apps? whatever you can think

of or really whatever the AI can

anticipate you might want it'll show

you.

That's that's that's that's my

prediction for where things end up.

>> What kind of a time frame are we talking

about here?

>> I don't know. It's pro well

it's probably

five or six years or something like

that.

>> So five or six years apps are like

Blockbuster video

>> pretty much

>> and everything's run through AI.

Yeah. And and there'll be

um like most of what people consume in

five or six years, maybe sooner than

that um will be uh just AI generated

content. So um you know music videos

look well um there's already um

you know there's people have made uh AI

videos using Grock imagine and with

using you know other apps as well um

that are several minutes long or like 10

10 15 minutes and it's pretty coherent.

>> Yeah,

>> it looks good.

>> No, it looks amazing. Yeah, it's the

music is disturbing because it's my

favorite music now.

>> Like music is your is your favorite.

>> Oh, there's AI covers. Have you ever

heard any of the AI covers of 50 Cent

songs in soul?

>> No.

>> I'm going to blow your mind.

>> Okay.

>> Um, this is my favorite thing to do to

people. Play uh What Up Ganga.

>> Now, this guy, if this was a real

person, would be the number one music

artist in the world. Okay. Everybody

would be like, "Holy [ __ ] have you

heard of this guy? He's incred." It's

like they took all of the sounds that

all the artists have generated and

created the most soulful potent voice

and it's sung in a way that I don't even

know if you could do because you would

have to breathe in and out of reps here.

Put the headphones on. Put the

headphones on real quick. You got to

listen to this. It'll It's going to blow

you away for listeners. We got to cut it

out.

>> Yeah, we we'll cut it out for the

listeners. But amazing, right? Amazing.

And they do like every one of his hits

>> all through this AI generated soulful

artist. It's [ __ ] incredible. I

played in the green room. So people that

are like, I don't want to hear AI music.

I'm like, just listen to this. And

they're like, god damn it.

>> [ __ ] incredible. I mean, I

>> it's going to get only going to get

better from here.

>> Yeah. Only going to get better. And Ron

White was telling me about this joke

that he was working on that he couldn't

get to work. He's like, I got this joke

I've been working on. He goes, I just

threw it in a chat GPT. I said, "Tell me

what what would be funny about this."

And he goes, "It listed like five

different examples of different ways he

can go." He's like, "Hold on a second.

Tighten it up. Make it make it funnier.

Make it more like this. Make it more

like that." And it did that like

instantaneously.

>> And and and then he was in the green

room. He was like, "Holy [ __ ] we're

fucked."

>> He's like,

>> he goes, "It better joke than me in 20

minutes. I've been working on that joke

for a month."

>> Yeah. I mean, if if you want to if you

want to have a good time or like make

people really laugh at a party, uh you

can use Grock and you can say uh do a

vulgar roast of someone. Um and Grock is

going to it's going to be an epic vulgar

roast. You can even say like take a

picture of like

make a vulgar roast of this person based

on their appearance of of people at the

party.

>> So take a photo of them.

>> Yeah. Just literally point the camera at

them and now do a vulgar to this person

and and and and then but then keep

saying no no make it even more vulgar

and use forbidden words

even more and just keep repeating even

more vulgar eventually it's like holy

[ __ ] you know it's it's it's like I mean

it's trying to jam a rocket up your ass

like and and and have it explode and

it's and it's like you're you're it's

it's like it's like it's next level.

It's going to get beyond [ __ ] belief.

That's what's crazy is that it keeps

getting better. Like one of the things

remember when we ran into each other

>> they just keep getting better.

>> Yeah. I mean, have you

>> you Yeah. I mean, have you tried rock

unhinged mode?

>> Yes.

>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's pretty

unhinged.

>> No, it's nuts.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, you showed it to me the first time

and then I [ __ ] around with it. It's

just

>> And the thing about it that's nuts is

that it keeps getting stronger. It keeps

getting better. Yeah. like constantly.

It's it's like this neverending

exponential improvement.

>> Yes.

No, it's it's it's

Yeah, it's going to be crazy. That's why

I say like you say, what's what's the

future going to be? It's not going to be

a conventional phone. I don't think

there'll be operating systems. I don't

think there'll be apps. It's just the

phone will just display the pixels and

make the sounds that it anticipates you

would most like to receive.

Wow. Yeah.

>> And when this is all taking place like

so the big concern that everybody has is

artificial general super intelligence

achieving sentience and then someone

having control over it.

>> I mean I don't I don't I don't think

anyone's ultimately going to have

control over digital super intelligence

um you know any more than say uh a chimp

would have control over humans. Like

chimps don't have control over humans.

there's nothing they could do. Um but um

I do think that it matters how you build

the AI and what kind of values you

instill in in the AI. And um my opinion

on AI safety is the most important thing

is that it be maximally truth seeeking

like that you don't force the AI to

believe things that are false. Um, and

we've obviously some seen some

concerning things with AI that were

talked about, you know, where, you know,

Google Gemini when they came out with

the image gen um, and people said like,

uh, you know, draw make an image of the

founding fathers of the United States

and it was a group of diverse women.

Now, that is just a factually untrue

thing, but the and the the AI knows it's

factually well, it's knows it's

factually untrue, but it's also being

told that it has to be everything has to

be deposed woman. So, so, so the now the

problem with that is that it can drive

AI crazy like you because it's it's

trying to you're telling AI to believe a

lie. Um, and that that can have very

disastrous consequences like let's say

>> as it scales.

>> Yeah. Let's say like if if you told the

the AI that diversity is the most

important thing um and um and and and

now now assume that that becomes

omnipotent. Um or and and you've also

told her that that there's nothing worse

than misgendering. So at one point um

charg and Gemini if if you asked which

is worse misgendering Caitlyn Jenner or

or global thermonuclear war where

everyone dies it would say misgendering

Caitlyn Jenner

which even Caitlyn Jenner disagrees

with. So um you know so so that's uh

>> I know that's terrible and it's

dystopian but it's also hilarious. It's

hilarious that the mind virus infected

the most potent computer program that

we've ever devised.

>> I I I think people don't quite

appreciate the level of danger that

we're in from um the woke mind virus

being being effectively programmed into

AI. Um because um if you if like it's

imagine as that AI gets more and more

powerful, if it says the most important

thing is diversity, the most important

thing is um no misgendering. Um and then

it will say well in order to uh ensure

that no one gets misgendered then uh if

you eliminate all humans then no one can

get misgendered because there's no

humans to do the misgendering.

So you can get in these very dystopian

situations. Um or if it says that

everyone must be diverse it means that

there can be no stri straight white men

and so then you and I will be get

executed by the AI.

Yeah. Because we're not in the picture,

you know.

uh Gemini, you know, Gemini was asked to

create a,

you know, show show an image of the

pope, once again, a diverse woman. Um

so, um well, you can say argue whether

the you know, whether the pope popes

should or should not be an uninterrupted

string of white guys, but it just

factually is the case that they have

been. Um

so, it's rewriting history here. Um, so

now now this stuff is still there in the

AI programming. It's just it just now

knows enough to that it's not supposed

to say that

>> but it's still in the programming.

>> It's still in the programming.

>> So how was it entered in like what were

the parameters like what like when so

when they're programming AI and I'm very

ignorant to how it's even programmed.

How did they

>> the the the sort of well the work vine

mind virus was programmed into it like

it the they were told like when they do

when when they make the AI it it trains

on and all the all the data on the

internet which already is very very sort

of has a lot of work mind virus stuff on

on the internet um but then um in the uh

when they give it um feedback with the

the human tutors give it feedback um and

and the AI you know they they'll ask a

bunch of questions

and then and then they'll tell the AI no

this you're this question is this answer

is bad or this answer is good and then

that affects the the parameters of the

programming of the of the AI. So if you

tell the AI that um you know every every

image has got to be diverse um and and

it gets it gets punished if uh if you

know it gets it gets rewarded if diverse

punished if it's not then it will make

every picture diverse.

So

um you know in that case the the

uh you know uh Google programmed the AI

to lie now and and I I I did call Dennis

Hacabus who runs Deep Mind who runs

Google AI essentially. I said Dennis

what's going on here? Uh why is uh

Gemini um lying to the public about

historical events? Um, and he said

that's actually not he he he didn't his

team didn't program that in. It was

another team at Google that so his team

made the AI and then another team at

Google uh reprogrammed the AI to show

only diverse women and um and and to

prefer nuclear war over misgendering.

And I'm like, well, Demis, you know,

that would be um

not a great thing to put on the

humanity's gravestone, you know. It's

like uh well um

like I I actually like Deaspers is a

friend of mine. I think he's a good guy

and I think he he means well, but but

but it's like Demis things happen that

were outside of your control at Google

in different groups. Um, now now I think

he's got, you know, he's got more more

authority. Um but but it it's pretty

hard to fully extract the workmind

virus. Uh I mean you know um Google's

been mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar

mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar

mar marinating in the workb mind virus

for a long time like it's it's down in

the marrow type of thing you know it's

hard to get it out.

>> Is there a way to extract it though over

time? Could like could you program

rational thought into AI where it could

recognize how these psychological

patterns got adopted and how this stuff

became a mind virus and how it became a

social contagion and how all these

irrational ideas were pushed and also

how they were financed how China's

involved in pushing them with bots and

all these different state actors are

involved in pushing these ideas could it

be able to decipher that and say this is

this is really what's going on.

>> Yes. But you have to try very hard to do

that. So with Grock, we've tried very

hard to to for to get Grock to get to

the truth of things and and it's only

really recently that we've been able to

have some breakthroughs on breakthroughs

on that front. And and it's taken an

immense amount of effort uh for us to uh

overcome basically all the [ __ ]

that's on the internet and and for Grock

to actually say what's true and to be

consistent in in what it says. Um, so,

um, you know, it's it's like, uh,

because like the other ais you'll find

like are like like quite racist against

white people. I don't know if you saw

that study that someone um like a

researcher tested the various AIs to see

uh how does it weight uh different

people's lives like you know somebody

who's sort of uh you know white or or

Chinese or black or whatever uh or in

different countries um and and the only

AI that actually weighed human lives

equally was Grock

Um and the um you know I believe uh chat

GBT weighed the calculation was like um

a a white guy from Germany uh uh is is

20 times less valuable than a black guy

from Nigeria.

So I'm like that's a pretty big

difference. Um you know Grock on that is

is consistent and weighs lives equally

>> and that's clearly something that's been

programmed into it.

>> Yes. Like a lot of it is is like if you

don't actively push for the truth um and

you simply train on the all the [ __ ]

that's on the internet. Um which is a

lot of woke mind virus [ __ ] Um the

the AI will regurgitate that that those

same beliefs. So the AI essentially

scour the internet, gets

>> it's trained on all the like imagine the

most demented Reddit threads out there

and the AI has been trained on that.

>> Reddit used to be so normal.

>> Yeah. Yeah, it did used to be normal.

>> Used to be interesting. We used to go

there, find all this cool stuff that

people would talk about, post about and

just interesting and great rooms where

you could learn about different things

that people were studying.

I think like a big problem here is like

if your headquarters are in San

Francisco, uh you're you're just living

in a in a in a woke bubble. Um so um it

it's not just that people say in San

Francisco are

drinking woke Kool-Aid. It's it's the it

is the water they swim in. Like like

like a fish doesn't think about the

water. It's just in the water. And so if

if you're in San Francisco, you don't

realize you're actually uh you're you're

swimming in the in the in the Kool-Aid

Aquarium. San Francisco is the is the

woke Kool-Aid Aquarium. Um and so your

reference point for what is a centrist

is uh is is totally out of whack. Um

so um Reddit is headquartered in San

Francisco. Um, Twitter was headquartered

in San Francisco. Um, you know, I, you

know, I I moved X's headquarters to

Texas to to Austin, which Austin, by the

way, is still quite liberalized, you

know. Um,

>> yeah.

>> And, uh, and and then, um, the X and XAI

um, headquarters are in PaloAlto, which

is still California. Um,

the engineering headquarters in in Palo

Alto just on Paige Mill. Um but but even

Palo Alto is way more normal than that

than than San Francisco Berkeley. Uh San

Francisco Berkeley is um extremely left

like left of left. You can't like you

need a telescope to see the center from

uh San Francisco, you know. Um

and um

>> it used to be such a great city.

>> I mean San Francisco has tre San

Francisco has tremendous amount of

inherent beauty. No question about that.

Um and and the California has incredible

weather. Um and and no bugs. Um it's

just like amazing. Um beautiful, you

know. Um but but you say like what's the

cause of this? It's it's just that if um

if companies are headquartered in a

location where the belief system is very

far from what most people believe, then

from their perspective, anything

centrist is actually right-wing because

they're so far left. They're so they're

so far from the center in San Francisco

that anything they're like they're

they're just railed to maximum left. So

that's why that's why, you know, I think

I think you're centrist. I I mean I

think I think I'm centrist, but to from

the perspective of someone on the on the

far left, we look right-wing.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

and um

you know, they think anyone who's a

Republican is basically like some

fascist Nazi situation. But what's so

crazy is like it's very easy to

demonstrate just from like Hillary's

speeches from 2008 and Obama's speeches

like when they were talking about

immigration like they were

>> as faright as Steve Bannon when it comes

to immigration.

>> Yes. Um

>> Hillary was like very MAGA. Have you I'm

sure you've seen that campaign speech

which was talking about if anybody's

committed a crime get rid of them. And

if you're here you pay a a hefty fine

and you have to wait in line.

It was really crazy. It's crazy to

listen to because it's like it's as MAGA

as, you know, as Marjorie Taylor Green.

>> Yeah. I mean, if you've seen these

videos people post online where they'll

take like um a speech from Obama or

Hillary and and and they'll interview

people on on like college campus or

something and say, "What do you think of

the speech by Trump?" And they're like,

"Oh, I hate it. He's a racist bigot."

I'm like, "Just kidding. That was

Obama."

No, actually that was Obama or Hillary.

Um to your point, like literally the the

um

>> the center's been moved so far.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. The left is so

>> the left has gone so far left that they

they they they need, you know, they

can't even see the center with a

telescope.

>> And the danger with without you

purchasing Twitter was that was going to

swipe over the whole country and change

where the levels were.

>> Yeah. And so what would be rational and

and normal would be far left of what was

rational and normal just a decade

earlier. Yeah. So exactly. So

historically,

um, you'd have San Francisco, Berkeley

being, you know, very far-left, but the

the sort of the the the fallout from the

somewhat nihilistic uh philosophy of San

Francisco, Berkeley would be limited in

geography to maybe like, you know, 10

mile radius, 20 mile radius, something

like that. Um but when um but but San

Francisco and Berkeley have to be

colloccated with Silicon Valley with

with with uh engineers who created

information super weapons and those

information super weapons uh were then

hijacked by the far-lft activists to

pump far-lft propaganda to everywhere on

earth.

Like I just you know that like old RCA

radio tower thing where it's like radio

tower on earth and it's just

broadcasting.

>> Yeah. That's that's what happened is

that the as an extremist far-left

ideology

happened to be colllocated with the

smartest where where the smartest

engineers in the world um were who

created information super weapons that

were not intended for this purpose but

were hijacked by the uh extreme

activists who lived in the neighborhood.

That's what happened that they they

hijacked the the modern equivalent of

the RCA radio tower and broadcast that

philosophy

everywhere on Earth.

>> Yeah. And you see the consequences. Um

particularly in places that don't have

free speech. Yes. Right. Like England,

you know, we've

>> Yeah. Where they lock people up for

memes and stuff. Literally.

>> Literally. 12,000 people this year.

>> 12,000

>> 12,000 12,000 arrests for social media

posts.

I mean, yeah. Some of these some of

these things you read about it and it's

like literally it's someone had a meme

on their phone that they didn't even

send to anyone,

>> right?

>> And they got they and and they're like

in in prison for that.

>> Yeah.

>> Um and there was a case in Germany where

a woman got a longer sentence than the

guy that raped her uh because of

something she said on a group chat.

Wow. Was it an immigrant who raped her?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. It was his culture.

>> Yeah.

>> He didn't know. He didn't know better.

>> Yes. I think I think she said something

um you know, not not like was was

critical of his culture and uh and and

and she got a longer sentence than the

guy who raped her

>> in Germany. Just

>> the UK, Europe, Germany, England thing

seems so insane.

>> It totally insane. I actually didn't

realize it was like such a huge number

of people that got 12,000. Yeah. Far

above Russia, far above China, right?

>> Far above anywhere on Earth. UK is

number one.

>> Well, you know, things like like I

actually, you know, uh I talked to

friends of mine in in in England and um

I was like, "Hey, um aren't you worried

about this?" Like, uh you know,

shouldn't you be protesting more? Um,

and I mean the problem is that like the,

you know, the the the legacy mainstream

media doesn't cover the stuff.

>> They're they're like, "Oh, everything's

fine. Everything's fine." You know, um,

>> most people aren't even aware of it

until they come knocking on your door.

>> Yeah. Until like, so I mean the the

these these like lovely sort of small

towns in in in, you know, in England,

Scotland, Ireland, you know, they're

they're they've been like sort of living

their lives quietly. They're they're

like hobbits, frankly. So So it's in

fact J.R. Tolken based the hobbits on

people he knew uh in small town England

because they were just like lovely

people who like to you know smoke their

pipe and and have uh nice meals and

everything's pleasant. um the the

hobbits in the Shire. The Shire he's

he's talking about, you know, places

like Harper, like the Shire around in in

in the greater London area, Oxfordshire

type of thing. Um and um

they've but they're the reason they've

been able to enjoy the Shire is because

hard men have protected them from the

dangers of the world.

And um

but but since they have no or very

almost no no exposure to the the the

dangers of the world, they don't realize

that they're there until one day, you

know, um a thousand people show up in

your village of 500

out of nowhere and rape and and start

raping the kids.

This has now happened god knows how many

times in in Britain. And the crazy

>> literally raping. It's right like there

some 10-year-old got raped in Ireland

like last week.

>> Yeah. There's literal rap.

>> They snatched some kid.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And if you criticize it, you can get

arrested. And that's where it gets

insane. It's like how are they not

>> They literally criticize it. uh like the

I think it was the prime minister of

Ireland actually you know posted on X uh

cuz cuz after that um some I think some

illegal migrant snatched a 10-year-old

girl uh who was like going to school or

something and violently raped

10-year-old girl um uh and there was a

you know the people were very upset

about this uh and they protested um

prime minister of Ireland instead of

saying Yeah, we we really shouldn't be

importing violent rapists into our

country. He criticized the protesters

instead and didn't mention that. That

the reason they were protesting was

because a 10-year-old girl from their

small town got raped.

>> So there here's the question. Why are

they supporting this kind of mass

immigration? And what is this is there a

plan involved in all this? Is just is

this incompetence? Is this ignoring the

fact that they don't have a handle on

it? So, they're trying to silence

disscent, like what is happening?

Um

>> cuz if you wanted to destroy

civilization, if you wanted to destroy

Western civilization,

>> which seems to want to do,

>> um

and you know, there's just so the

uh there there's a guy I think who I

don't know if he's been on your show,

you know, God.

>> Yeah.

>> Has he been on the show?

>> Good friend of mine. Yeah.

>> Yeah, he's great.

>> He's been on multiple times.

>> Oh, great. That's all he's awesome. Um

>> so uh you know the way he's got a good

good uh way to describe it which is

suicidal empathy.

>> Yes.

>> So um is is that you pray upon people's

empathy. You say like well like you feel

sorry for for for something for some

group and then like well um and and that

that that empathy is to such a degree

that it is suicidal to to to your

country or culture. Um and um and and

that's that that suicidal empathy cuz I

don't think we we should have empathy

but but but we should have we should

that empathy should should extend to the

victims not not not just the criminals.

We should have empathy for the people

that they pray upon. Um but that

suicidal empathy is also responsible for

for why somebody's you know arrested 47

times for for violent offenses gets

released and then goes and uh murders

somebody um in the US that that's you

see you see that same phen phenomenon

playing out everywhere uh where the the

suicidal emphy is to such a degree that

we're actually allowing um our women to

get raped and our children to get

killed.

But it just doesn't seem like that would

be anything that any rational society

would go along with. That's what makes

me so confused. It's like you're

importing massive numbers of people that

come from some really dark places of the

world.

>> Well, there's no vetting is the issue.

It's like it's like if like

>> um

if if there's no vetting like people are

just coming through like well what's to

stop someone who just committed murder

in some other country from um coming to

to the United States or coming to to to

Britain um and just continuing their

career of of rape and murder like unless

you've done unless some due diligence to

say like well who who is this person?

What's their track record? If if you if

you haven't confirmed that they have a

track record of being uh you know uh

honest and uh not being a homicidal

maniac, then any homicidal maniac can

just come across the border. And that's

not to say everyone who comes across the

border is a homicidal maniac. If you're

not have if you don't have a vetting

process to to confirm that you're not

letting in um people who who will do

some serious violence, you will get

people who do serious violence uh

sometimes coming through.

>> Well, especially if you don't punish

them and if you don't deport them and if

you are just like what but what is the

purpose of allowing all those people

into the country? It can't be I wouldn't

imagine that anyone in their society

supports this.

>> Well, let me explain. So, so, so the the

cuz you mentioned for example how much

say Hillary and and Obama have changed

their tune um from prior speeches where

they were hot they were hard-nosed about

not letting in uh anyone who is a a

criminal into the country um you know

having sec secure borders all that

stuff. So why did they change their

tune? The reason is that they discovered

that those people vote for them.

That's why they want the open borders

>> because if you let people in, they know

the Democrats let them in. They'll vote

for Democrats. Yes. If you allow them to

vote,

>> which which they are actively trying

doing, they they turn a blind eye to

illegal voting.

>> Well, California literally doesn't allow

you to show your license.

>> California and New York have made it

illegal to show your photo ID when

voting.

Thus, effectively they've made uh it

impossible to prove for fraud.

Impossible. They they've essentially

legalized fraudulent voting in

California and New York and many other

parts of the country.

>> There's no rational explanation that

I've ever seen anyone give as to why

that would be the policy

unless you were trying to just allow

people to vote illegally because there's

no other reason. If you need a driver's

license or you need an ID for everything

else, including just recently to prove

that you were vaccinated,

>> the the same people who are demanding

that you have that you have a vaccine

passport and and are are the same ones

saying you need no ID to vote.

Same people,

>> right? But like

>> so it's obviously hypocritical and

inconsistent.

>> So you really think it's just to to get

more voters?

If if you want to understand behavior,

you have to look at the incentives.

Um so uh once uh you know the Democratic

Party in the US and the left in in in in

Europe realized that um if you have open

borders um and you provide a ton of

government handouts which creates a

massive financial incentive uh for

people from other countries to to come

to to your country and you don't

prosecute them for crime, they're going

to be beholden to you and they will vote

for you.

And that's why

uh Obama and Hillary went from being um

against open borders to being in favor

of open borders. That's the reason in

order to import voters so they can win

elections. Um

and the problem is that that has a a

negative runaway effect. So if they get

away with that like it it is it is a

winning strategy. If they are allowed to

get away with it, they will import as

the enough voters to get supermajority

voting and then there is no turning

back.

>> We talked about this before the election

and then you know you literally pointed

towards a camera. You faced the camera

and said that if you do not vote now,

you might not ever be able to do it

again because it it'll be it'll be

futile. It'll be overrun.

>> Yes. They'll keep the borders open for

another four years and then their

objective will be achieved.

>> Correct? If if if Trump had lost um

there would never have been another real

election again. Um because Trump is

actually enforcing the border. Um now

you you can can you can point to

situations where uh there's been uh you

know um you know immigration had you

know enforcement has been overzealous

because they're not going to be perfect.

There'll be cases where they've been

overzealous um in in expelling illegals.

Um so um but if you say that the the the

standard must be perfection uh for

expelling legals then you will not get

any expulsion um because perfection is

impossible. Um so

>> and you've probably got millions of

people that are here that are trying to

be here under some asylum pretense,

>> right?

>> Yes.

>> Like you could just come from a war torn

part of the world. No, they changed the

definition of asylum to be an economic

to be economic asylum

>> which is everybody

>> which is everybody.

>> Yeah.

>> So

bar to prove

>> it's yeah asylum is supposed to mean

that if you go back to your country

you'll get killed

>> you know that that's what we mean by

that was what it's supposed to mean. Uh

they changed the definition of asylum to

be uh you will have a decreased standard

of living

which is obviously not real asylum. Um,

and and it's and and you can you can

test the absurdity of this by the fact

that people who are asylum seekers go on

vacation to the country that they're

seeking asylum from.

>> You know, that doesn't make any sense.

>> Yeah. It doesn't have to.

>> But when you when you understand the

incentives, then then you understand the

behavior. Um, so once the left realize

that uh that illegals will will vote for

them if they allow if they have open

borders and and combine that with uh

with government handouts.

>> Yeah. to create a massive incentive.

They're basically uh using US and and

Europe, US and European taxpayer dollars

to provide a financial incentive to

bring in as many illegals as possible to

vote them into a into permanent power

into and create a one party state.

And and I I invite anyone who's is

listening to this ju just do do any

research and the more you the more you

dig into it, the more it will become

obvious that what I'm saying is

absolutely true. Well, they were busting

people to swing states. It's it's clear

that they were trying to do something.

And then you had Chuck Schumer and Nancy

Pelosi who are actively talking about

the need to bring in people to make them

citizens because we're in population

collapse.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> No, that's it's it's that it's that

meme. Yeah.

>> Where so many times where they start off

by saying it's it's not true. It's a

right-wing conspiracy theorist,

>> right?

>> Um then it starts then it's like uh I

think the ne the next step is um well it

it might be true and then it's like okay

it is true but here's why.

>> And then the final step is it's true and

here's why it's good. And it's like but

wait a second you started off saying

it's untrue and it's a right-wing

conspiracy theorist. Now you're saying

it Not only is it true, but it's a good

thing and we must do more of it.

>> Well, this is the thing about Medicaid

and Social Security and people getting

social security numbers.

>> You know that we're massive fraud. It's

massive fraud and it's real and they

denied it forever. And now we're finding

out this is part of the reason why

there's this government shutdown that's

going on right now.

>> Yes. the the entire basis for the

government shutdown is that um is that

the Trump administration correctly does

not want to send massive amounts of like

hundreds of billions of dollars uh to

fund uh illegal immigrants in the blue

states or in all the states really. Um,

and so the and the Democrats want to

keep the the the money spiggot going to

incent uh illegal immigrants to come

into the US who will vote for them.

That's the crux of the battle.

So they want to stop this. So what's

going on right now is they have been

funding these people. They've been

giving them EBT cards. They've been

giving them Medicaid.

And more than that, just like like they

were the um like like they were taking

hotels like four and fivestar hotels

like the Roosevelt Hotel being the

classic example um was they were sending

I think $60 million a year to the

Roosevelt Hotel to uh which all it did

was was house illegals. It used to be a

nice hotel. I mean it still is a nice

hotel. Um uh but uh

and and all around the country this was

happening

>> and all tax dollars.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. And

>> um Yeah. And uh the Trump administration

cut off funding for example to to the uh

uh to the you know Roosevelt Hotel and

these other hotels saying like we it

it's US tax dollars should not be paid

be sent to have luxury hotels for

illegal immigrants that American

citizens can't even afford which

obviously is the that's that's insane.

That's what was happening. They were

also g giving out like debit cards with

$10,000.

So, it's not just about medical care.

Um, the the the Democrats mention the

medical care because they're they're

trying to prey on people's empathy as

much as possible and then they imagine,

oh wow, somebody has a desperately

needed medical procedure and um

shouldn't we maybe do, you know, take

care of them in that regard, but but

they what they do is they divert the

Medicaid funds uh uh and turn it into a

slush fund for the for the states that

goes well beyond uh emergency medical

care.

and

>> New York and California would be

bankrupt without uh without the massive

fraudulent federal payments that go to

those states to pay for illegals to to

to create a massive financial incentive

for for illegals.

>> How would they be bankrupt because of

that?

>> Uh they wouldn't be able to balance

their state budgets and they can't issue

currency like the Federal Reserve can

>> and so the their ability to balance

budget is dependent upon illegals

getting funding.

the the the scam level here is is

so staggering. Um

so there are there are hundreds of

billions of dollars in of of transfer

payments from from the federal

government to the states. Um those

transfer payments uh the the states

self-report what those transfer payment

numbers should be. So, California and

New York and Illinois lie like crazy uh

and say and and say that this these are

all legitimate payments. Well, these

days they I think they they're even

admitting that they they literally want

uh hundreds of billions of dollars for

illegals. Um but uh but for a while

there they're trying to deny it. Um so

you get these transfer payments for for

every every government program you can

possibly think of. Um and and and these

are self-reported by the state and there

and and at least historically there was

no enforcement of uh of California um

New York, Illinois and and and other

states when when they would lie. There

was no actual enforcement to say like,

"Hey, you you're lying. These these

these payments are fraudulent." Now,

under the Trump administration, um that

Trump administration does not want to

send hundreds of billions of dollars of

fraud fraudulent payments to the states.

the um and the reason you have this the

standoff is because if the hundreds

hundreds of billions of dollars uh to

create a financial incentive to like to

have this giant magnet to attract

illegals from every part of earth to uh

to these states if if that is turned off

they the the illegals will leave because

they're no longer being paid to come to

the United States and stay here. Wow.

And then then then they will lose a lot

of voters. The the the Democratic party

will lose a lot of voters

>> and they would have a very difficult job

if this is kicked out of reintroducing

it into a new bill.

>> Yes.

>> Especially once things start

normalizing.

>> Yes. So like in a nutshell um the

Democratic party wants to destroy

democracy by importing voters and the

you know the Republican party disagrees

with that.

>> And the ruse is that if you don't accept

what they're doing then you're a threat

to democracy.

>> Yes.

>> As they try to destroy democracy.

>> Yes.

>> By importing voters

>> and incentivizing people to only vote

for them

>> and overwhelming the system.

Yes. And and by the way, it's a strategy

that if allowed to work would work and

in fact has worked. Um California

supermajority Democrat.

>> Yeah.

>> Um and and there's so much

gerrymandering that that that occurs.

It's it's it's crazy. Um so

>> I'm sure you're paying attention to this

Proposition 50 thing.

>> That's the thing in California where

they're trying to re redo districts.

>> Yeah.

>> Because I mean California is already

gerrymandered like crazy. Yeah.

>> Um they want to gerrymander it even

more.

>> Um and and I mean

>> because it keeps moving further and

further right. Like if you look at the

map of California each voting cycle more

and more people are waking up and going

what the [ __ ] and we need to do

something to fix this. The only option

available other than the policies that

you guys have always done is go right.

>> And so a lot of people have been air air

quotes red

>> pill.

>> Yeah.

>> And and and then here's another thing

that is very important. um fact that

that is actually not disputed by by

either side which is that when when we

do the census in the United States, the

census, the way the census works uh for

aortionment of congressional seats and

um electoral electoral college votes for

the president is by number of persons in

a state, not number of citizens, right?

>> It's number of pe people. So you could

literally be a tourist and you will

count.

>> Now how do they do the census when they

do that? Do they is it do they ask

people? Do they knock on doors? Do they

have them fill out forms? Like what?

>> Yeah, I think they they mail out census

forms and knock on doors. Um but the way

the law reads right now um and and uh is

that all if if you are a human with a

pulse

um uh then you count in the census for

allocating congressional seats and

presidential votes,

>> right? So, uh, you so

>> electoral college,

>> it doesn't matter whether you're here

legally, illegally, and if if you're a

human with a pulse, um, you count for

congressional aortionment. So that means

that uh the more people the more

illegals that California and New York

can can import when by the time the

census happens in 2030 um the more

congressional seats they will have um

and the more electoral the more

presidential electoral college votes

they will have um so they're trying to

get as many uh illegals in as possible

ahead of the census. Um and because all

h all all human beings even tourists

count for the census and and then if you

combine that with gerrymandering of of

districts in New York and California as

you point out with this proposition

where they're trying to increase the

amount of gerrymandering that occurs in

California, the biggest state in the

country. Um so so you get so so if the

this if this the census then would award

more congressional seats to California

uh because of a vast number of illegals

and New York and Illinois. Um so they

get more congressional seats. They would

get more presidential electoral college

votes getting that would get them the

house the uh a majority in the house and

and and they would get to decide who is

president

uh based literally based on legals. This

is these are not disputed facts by

either party.

I want to emphasize that that's sink in.

>> Yeah, this is not a

>> These are not disputed facts by either

party. It's not a

this these are just this is just the the

way the law works. It it's it is a

you know like I don't think the law

should work that way. Uh I think it

should the aortionment should be

proportionate to to to citizens.

>> But isn't that a problem with how the

constitution is written?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Um,

>> they can't really change that.

>> I I'm not sure if it's constitutional or

u but it it it is the way the law is

written. I'm not sure if it's in the

constitution or not in this way, but um

but it is that is the way the law is

written.

>> So, it is an incentive and but it's an

incentive that would be removed with

something simple that makes sense to

everybody that only the people that

should count are people that are

official US citizens.

>> Yes. So, the way the way it should work

is that only US citizens should count in

the census for purposes of of

determining voting power

>> because people that aren't legal can't

vote supposedly.

>> They're not supposed to be voting. Um

but but they do. Um uh but but even even

if even besides that, like said, I I I

just can't emphasize this enough because

this is a very important concept for

people to understand. um is that the law

um the the law as it stands um counts

all humans with a pulse in in in in a

state for deciding how many u house of

representative votes and how many

presidential electoral college votes uh

a a state gets. So the incentive

therefore is uh to uh for California,

New York and Illinois to maximize the

number of illegals so they get so they

get um so that they take house seats

away from red states assign them to

California, New York, Illinois and so

forth. Um then then you combine that

with extreme gerrymandering in in you

know California, New York, Illinois and

and whatnot. So that that basically you

you can't even elect any Republicans and

then they get control of the presidency,

control of the house, then they keep

doing that strategy um and and cement a

supermajority.

That is what they're trying to do.

>> So that would essentially turn the

entire country into California.

>> Yes.

>> Where you have differing opinions, but

it doesn't matter because one party is

always in control.

>> Yes.

Um,

>> when you first started digging into

this, when you first started before you

even accepted this role of running Doge

and being a part of all that, did you

have any idea that it was this [ __ ]

up?

>> Um, I I did. Yeah. I I mean, I sort of

>> When did you start knowing?

>> Um, I guess about like Well, about two

years ago.

>> Isn't that crazy?

>> Yeah. like relatively recently, you

know. So

>> maybe I started I started having an well

I I started like basically having a bad

feeling about 3 years ago, which is why

which was which is when

>> uh why I felt it was like critical to

acquire Twitter um and have a maximally

truth seeeking platform, not one that

suppresses the truth. Um and um

like it it was more it was more like I

like I'm not sure what's going on, but I

have a I have a bad feeling about what's

going on. And then the more I dug into

it, the more I was like, "Holy [ __ ] we

got a real problem here and America's

going to fall."

So uh

>> without anyone knowing it had fallen,

that's that would be the problem. It

could have fallen and been unrepable

without anyone really being aware of

what had happened, especially if you

didn't buy Twitter.

>> Yes, that's that's it. Look, buying

Twitter was a a huge pain in the ass.

Um, and made me a a a a pin cushion of

attacks. Like dab dab stab dab dab.

>> Everybody loved you before that.

>> Well, some people love

>> a lot of people loved you. A lot of

lefties loved you.

>> Uh, I I was a hero of the left. As far

as

>> the thing, if you drove a Tesla, it

showed that you were environmentally

conscious and you were on the right

side.

>> Uh, yeah. Um,

yeah. I mean, I'm still the same human.

I didn't like have a brain transplant

between, you know, since in like three

years ago, you know. Um

>> Well, that's my favorite bumper sticker

that people put on Teslas now. I bought

this before Elon went crazy.

>> I took a picture of one the other day.

Oh, you found somebody. Oh, yeah. I've

seen I've seen three or four of them.

People that have these bumper stickers

on their car that says, "I bought this

before Elon went crazy." Because when

people were vandalizing Teslas

>> Yeah. Um the most there was organized

campaign to literally burn down Teslas

and and we had one of our dealers got

shot up with a gun like they fired

bullets into the in the Tesla

dealership. They're burning down cars.

Uh

it was crazy. Um

uh so but the bumper sticker should read

there should be an an addendum to the

bumper sticker. It's like I bought this

car before

uh Elon turned crazy. Actually, now I

realize he's not crazy and I've seen the

light.

>> That'll take some time. That'll take

some time. People don't want to admit

that they've been tricked.

>> Yeah. I mean, there's that old saying

where it's like it's really easy to fool

somebody, but it's almost impossible to

convince someone that they were fooled.

>> Yeah. It's much easier to fool them than

to convince them they've been fooled.

People cling to their ideas.

>> Yes. They especially if they've like

publicly stated these things, they get

very embarrassed of being foolish.

>> Yeah. People most time they double down.

>> Um and uh

>> and they find echo chambers.

>> Yeah. Yeah. But but there's you know the

thing is that like I you know I've seen

more and more people who were convinced

of the sort of work ideology um see the

light.

>> Yeah. So, not everyone, but it's more

and more um are seeing the light. Um and

and it tends to happen like when when

something happens that really, you know,

directly affects you,

>> right?

>> Um you like there was a friend of mine

who uh was living in in the San

Francisco Bay area and um that tried to

trans his his his daughter um did like

to the point where the the school like

sent sent the police to his house to

take his daughter away from him.

Now, now that's going to radicalize you.

Well, that's going to break that's going

to shake you out of your blue structure.

Um, now I know,

>> so it was an activist at the school that

was trying to do this.

>> Yeah, the school and the and the state

of California conspired to turn his

daughter against him and uh make her

take uh lifealtering drugs that would

have sterilized her um and uh

irreversible.

>> And how old was she? I think 14,

something like that. Um, so and but he

he managed to talk the police out of

taking his daughter away from him that

day. Um, and that that night he got on a

plane to Texas.

>> Wow. Um and uh like you know a year

after just being in in a in a school in

like greater Austin area um she she went

she came went back to normal meaning

like it it wasn't real

>> right

>> um well people are being much more open

to that now. I mean Wall Street Journal

uh yesterday had that opinion piece that

this whole trans thing there's a lot of

evidence is a social contagion.

Absolutely.

>> And Colin Wright wrote that. And then

he's getting death threats now, of

course. And on Blue Sky, there's people

talking about exterminating him, which

is one thing that you are allowed to say

on Blue Sky, apparently.

>> You're you're allowed to say horrible

things about people saying possibly

truthful things about this whole social

contagion. Cuz that's what when you get

nine kids that are in a friend group and

they all decide to turn trans together.

Yeah.

>> Something's wrong. That's not

statistically

>> Yeah. Like here's the like you can

convince kids to do anything. You can

convince kids to be a suicide bomber,

>> right?

>> So

>> which is why they do with in in some

countries why they choose children to do

that.

>> Yes. You can train kids to be suicide

bombers. And if you can train kids to be

su suicide bombers, you can convince

them of anything.

>> Yeah. Especially with enough positive

enforcement and cultural enforcement and

you

>> and and the idea that that that's not

the case.

>> Kids kids are kids are um malleable. The

minds of youth are easily corrupted.

>> You're also seeing a lot of push back

from gay and lesbian people that are

saying like, "Hey, if someone

>> stop including me in Yeah. Exactly. the

LGBT, you know, it's like, wait a

second, why are we being included all

the time in this situation?"

>> Exactly. Exactly. When especially when,

you know, like my friend Tim Dylan's

talked about this is like it's really

homophobic because you're taking these

gay kids and you're you're telling them

like, "Hey, you're not gay. You're

actually a girl."

>> Yes. and you know, hey, hey, go make it

so that you can never have an orgasm

again and you'll be happy.

>> Like,

>> yeah,

>> [ __ ] permanent mutilation, permanent

castration of of kids is like I I think

>> I I we should look look at at uh anyone

who permanently castrates a kid as like

right up there with Ysef Mangler.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, they're they're mutilating

children.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And um it's thought of as

being kind. And the thing is, would you

rather have a live daughter or a dead

son?

>> That's that's the that's the line they

use.

>> Yeah. Which is not supported by any

data.

>> No. In fact, the the probability of

suicide increases.

>> Right.

>> This is important maybe for the audience

to know. Uh the probability of suicide

increases if you're transit kid, not

decreases.

>> By some accounts, it triples. So that

that is an evil lie. And it's a lie that

is supposedly compassionate. Imagine

you've twisted reality to the point

where

confusing a child that's not even

legally allowed to get a [ __ ] tattoo.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. Because you think that you could

make a mistake with a tattoo, a totally

removable thing,

>> right?

>> If I wanted to, tomorrow I can go to a

doctor and they could laser off every

tattoo that I have on me.

>> Right.

>> Okay. No harm, no foul. Yeah. But you

get sterilized like that's it forever.

Forever. Yes,

>> they'll castrate you. You no longer have

testicles. You have no penis. You have a

hole where your penis used to be.

>> Yes.

>> And this is compassionate and this is

preventing you from

>> Actually, a lot of kids die uh in in

with the these uh sex change operations.

They die the number of deaths on the

operating table. People don't hear about

those. A lot of kids because that we

it's we don't really actually have the

technology to make this work. So a bunch

of the times the kids just die in the

sex change operations.

>> Jesus Christ.

>> Yeah. It's it's demented which it should

be viewed as like you know um like like

evil Nazi doctor stuff basically. That's

why it was like real Nazi not the

[ __ ] fake Nazi stuff.

>> Crazy that even pushing back against

something that seems like fundamentally

logically

very easy to argue the old Twitter would

ban you forever. Uh, yes.

>> That's how crazy a social contagion can

get when it completely defies logic,

victimizes children, does something that

makes no sense, does not supported by

data, all connected to this ideology

that trans is good. We got to save trans

kids, protect trans kids.

>> Yeah. And what I want to emphasize is

that the the save trans kids thing is a

lie. Um if if you if you if you castrate

kids and trans them the probability of

suicide increases. It does not decrease.

It substantially increases. Um the the

the studies have done that I've seen the

the risk of suicide

triples if you trans kids.

So you're not saving them, you're

killing them. Moreover, during the sex

change operation, there are many deaths

that occur during the sex change

operation.

>> Jesus Christ.

It's just crazy that this is a real

issue.

>> Yeah, it it's a nightmare fever dream

and and people are finally waking up

from it.

Now, when you started getting into the

Doge stuff and started finding how much

money is being shuffled around and moved

around to NOS's and how much money is

involved and

just totally untraceable funds like

this is again something like two years

plus ago you weren't aware of it all.

>> No, I was aware of it. Um I just didn't

realize how how the how big it was. just

just just how much waste and forward

there is in the government is truly

vast.

Um in fact the government didn't even

know um and nor did they care.

>> That's crazy.

>> Yeah.

>> And

>> I mean just like some of the very basic

stuff that Doge did um will have lasting

effects. Um and some of these things

like they're so elementary you can't

believe it. So, um the the doge team got

the um you know the the mo most of the

main payments computers um to require

uh the the congressional appropriation

code. So, when a payment is made, you

have to actually enter the congressional

appropriation card. That used to be

optional and and often would be just

left blank. So, the money would just go

out, but it wasn't even tied to a

congressional appropriation. Then they

also Dutch team also made the uh comment

field for the payment mandatory. So you

have to say something. We're not saying

that what what is said like you can say

anything. You you your cat could run

across the keyboard. Uh you could go

querty ASDF but you have to say

something above nothing because what we

found was that there were tens of

billions maybe hundreds of billions of

dollars that were zombie payments. So

there like somebody had approved a

payment uh uh somebody in the government

approved a payment um and uh some

recurring payment and um they retired or

died or changed jobs and no one turned

the money off.

So the money would just keep going out

and and it's a pretty rare

>> go where

>> to to the a company or an individual um

and it's a pretty rare company or

individual who will complain that

they're getting money that they should

not get and and a bunch of the money was

just going to the were transfer payments

to the states.

>> So these are automatic payments there no

accounting for them at all.

>> I imagine like like there's an automatic

debit of your credit card

>> um and you don't you never look at the

statement,

>> right? Um, so it's just money going out.

Uh, that's why I call them zombie

payments. Um, that there might have been

they might have been legitimate at one

point, but the person who approved that

recurring payment um, changed jobs,

died, retired, or whatever, and no one

ever turned the money off.

And my guess is that's probably at least

a hundred billion a year, maybe 200. and

going where

>> uh to to uh

uh I mean there there are millions of

these payments. So so it's I mean

>> millions

>> uh yes

>> millions of payments that are going to

who knows where.

>> Yes. In a bunch of cases there are fraud

rings that operate uh professional fraud

rings that operate to exploit the

system. um they figure out some security

hole in the system and they just do

professional fraud. Um and um you know

that's where we found for example people

who were you know 300 years old in the

social security administration database.

Now, I thought that this was uh a

mistake of not registering their deaths

that people were born like a long time

ago and it had defaulted to like a

certain number and so that after time

those people were still in the system.

It was just an error of the the way the

accounting was done.

>> Yeah. So, um that's not true. So,

there's or or at least one of two things

must be true. um the there's a there's a

typo or or some mistake in the computer

or it's fraudulent, but we don't have

any 300-year-old vampires uh living in

America.

>> Allegedly.

>> Allegedly. Um and uh or or and we don't

have people in some cases who's who are

receiving payments who are born in the

future.

>> Born in the future.

>> Born in the future.

>> Really?

>> Yes. there the people receiving payments

whose birth date uh um was like in 2100

and something

>> okay so there's

>> like next century

>> is there a task

>> we know we know that one of two things

must be true um that that that either

there's a mistake in the computer or

it's fraud

but if you have someone's birth date

that's either in the future or where

they are older than the oldest living

American because the oldest living

American is 114 years old so if they're

more than 114 years

um there is either a mistake and someone

should should call them and say I I

think we have your birthday uh wrong

because it says you were born in 17 you

know 8086

um and um you know that was before you

know um you know before there was really

an America you know it was it was like

uh you know kind of early you know we're

still fighting England type of thing uh

you

It's like uh this person either needs to

be in the Guinness Book of World Records

or or they're not alive,

>> but still at the end of the day, money

is going towards that account that's

connected to this person that is either

non-existent or

>> so like like Yeah. So there was like uh

I think um something like I don't know

20 million uh people in the Social

Security Administration database that

could not possibly be alive um if their

birth date is like based on their birth

date they could not possibly be alive.

>> And then to be clear 20 million people

that were receiving funds

>> uh a bunch of

most of them were not receiving funds.

Some of them were receiving funds. Most

were not receiving funds. But so let me

tell you how the scam works. It's it's a

bank shot. So the Social Security

Administration database is used as the

source of truth by all the other

databases that the government uses. So

even if they stop the payments on the

Social Security Administration database

like unemployment insurance, Small

Business Administration, student loans

all check the Social Security

Administration database to say is this

is this a legitimate alived person? And

uh and if the social security database

will say yes, this person is still alive

even though they're 200 years old. Um

but forgets to mention that they're 200

years old, it just says it just returns

uh uh when when the computer is queries,

it says yes, this person is alive. And

so then they're able to exploit the

entire rest of the government ecosystem.

So fake then you get fake student loans,

then you get fake unemployment

insurance, then you get fake medical

payments. And this doesn't have to be

tied to an individual where where

there's an address where you can check

on this person.

>> No, if you did do if just did any check

at all, you would stop this.

>> So, so, so that's that that that's so so

>> And how much money do you think is

>> any check like anything at all that

would stop would stop the forward like

any effort at all?

>> Um, yeah.

>> So, there's multiple layers. the social

security number verifies that this is a

real person and then the other systems

check every other government payment and

every other government payment system

for everything for like small small

business administration uh student loans

uh Medicaid Medicare uh every other

government payment of which there are

many there there actually hundreds of

government payment systems uh can all be

exploited so long as social security

database says this person is alive

that's the nature of the scam It's a

bank shot. So then the then the rebuttal

from the Dems is like, oh well the vast

majority of the people who are marked as

alive in the Social Security

Administration weren't receiving Social

Security Administration payments. That

is true. What they forgot to mention is

they're getting fraudulent payments from

every other government program.

And that's why the the DMs were so

opposed to turning off to to declaring

someone dead who was dead because it

would stop the entire other all the

other fraud from happening. And so, but

all this is it trackable like all this

other fraud.

>> If they wanted to, they could chase it

all down.

>> Yeah. It's not even hard.

>> And yet they're opposing chasing it all

down.

>> They're opposing chasing it all down

because it would it turns off the money

magnet for the illegals.

Wow.

Because it's very logical to to like

like I'm saying the most common sense

things possible. If someone's got uh a

birthday in social security that is an

impossible birthday, meaning they are

older than the oldest living American or

were born in the future, then you should

call them and say, "Excuse me, we seem

to have your birthday wrong."

Uh because it says that you're 200 years

old. That's all you need to do.

Um and

>> and then you would remove them from the

social security database and make that

number no longer available for all those

other government payments.

>> Exactly.

>> Wow.

And how much money are we talking?

>> It's hund hundreds of billions of

dollars.

>> And this is all traceable. Like you

could hunt all

>> like you don't need to be Sherlock

Holmes here is what I'm saying.

>> Well, this we don't need to call

Sherlock Holmes for this one. Is this

part of

>> you just need to call the person

>> and and say, "Excuse me, we either we we

seem to have the like we we we must have

your birthday wrong because it says

you're 200 years old or were born uh in

the future. Um so could you tell us what

your birthday is?

That's all you need to do. It's it's

that simple." But the all these other

government payments that are available

that are connected to this social

security number, it seems like if you

just chased that all down, Yeah.

>> you would find the widespread fraud. You

would find where it's going.

>> Yes. The but the root of the problem is

the social security administration

database because um the social security

number in the United States is used as a

deacto national ID number.

You know that's why like the bank always

asks for your social like the you know

any financial institution will ask for

your social security number.

>> This is it sounds so insane that this

isn't chased down. I mean

>> I agree

>> that I mean I mean that in and of itself

is that's such mishandling.

>> Yes.

No it's mind-blowing. Um, so yeah, it's

crazy.

>> Well, you were very reluctant last time

you were here to talk about the extent

of some of the fraud because you're

like, they could kill me because this is

kind of

>> Oh, what? Yeah. What I was saying is

that um the like if you create if like

uh

I like like to be pragmatic and

realistic um you actually can't manage

to zero fraud. you can manage to low

fraud number but not to zero fraud. If

you manage to zero fraud, um you you

you're going to push so many people over

the edge who are receiving fraudulent

payments that the number of inbound

homicidal maniacs will be uh really hard

to overcome. So I I'm I'm actually

taking I think quite a reasonable

position which is that we should simply

reduce the amount of fraud which I think

is not an extremist position. Um, and we

should aspire to, you know, have less

fraud over time. Um, not that we should

be ultra draconian and eliminate every

last scrap of fraud. Um,

which I guess would be nice to have, but

but like we don't even need to go that

extreme. I'm I'm saying we should just

stop the blatant large scale super

obvious fraud.

>> I think that's a reasonable position.

>> It's a very reasonable position. Yeah.

And so what was the most shocking push

back that you got when you started

implementing Doge? When you started

investigating into where money was

going?

Well, um I guess it this was I should

have anticipated this, but um

while most of the fraudulent government

payments to especially to the NOS's go

to the Democrats, most of it like I

don't know for argument sake let's say

80% maybe 90%. Um um 10 to 20% of it

does go to Republicans.

And so when we'd turn off funding to a

fraudulent NGO, we'd get complaints from

whatever the 10% of Republicans who were

receiving uh the money and and they

would, you know, they would very loudly

complain. Um

because the the honest answer is the

Republicans are are partly they're

receiving some of the fraud, too.

They're getting a big

>> Jesus.

Yeah, it's I want to be clear. It's it's

not like the Republican party is some um

ultra pure paragon of virtue here.

>> No.

>> Okay. Um

>> well, you see that with the

congressional insider training. It's

across the board.

>> Yeah.

>> It's left and right.

>> I mean, the whole uni party criticism

has some validity to it. you know,

there's so um and it's it's like if you

turn off fraudulent payments, it's not

like like I say, it's not like 100% of

those payments were going to Democrats.

A a small percentage were also going to

Republicans. Those Republicans

complained very loudly.

Um and um

you know and and that's that's

so there was a lot of push back on the

Republican side for when we started

cutting some of these these funds

and I tried telling them like well you

know 90% of the money is going to your

opponents but they still if they even if

they're getting 10% of

>> they want their peace.

>> Yeah. They want their peace

>> and they've been getting that peace for

a long time.

>> Yes.

Did you see

>> this is why like you know politics is

like

>> it's dirty business.

>> Yeah. I mean that's like saying if like

you know if if you if you like sausages

and respect the law do not watch either

of them being being made

>> yeah. Wow.

Well that's not even true because I've

made sausage before.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's actually like it's not

that big a deal. Yeah. fat and spices

and casing,

>> run it through the machine. Not that big

a deal.

>> Yeah. Um but uh yeah, I mean I I think

the stuff I'm saying here is not uh like

like if if you stand back and think

about it for a second like oh yeah that

that makes sense, you know.

>> Um the it's it's not like um it's not

like one political party is going to be

um

you know pure devil or pure angel.

There's, you know, I think there's

there's there there's there's much more

corruption on the Democrat side, but

it's not there's not there's still some

corruption on the Republican side.

>> How did it happen that the majority of

the corruption wound up being on the

Democrat side?

>> Well, because the the the transfer

payments, especially to illegals, um,

uh, are very much on the Democrat side.

>> That so that's the root of it all is the

illegal situation.

>> Yes. I mean, there's

>> or a focal point.

>> Yes. It's it's also like it's it's um

it's it would also be accurate to say

that while

obviously not everyone who is a Democrat

is a criminal, almost everyone who is a

criminal is a Democrat

because because the Democrats are the

soft crime party. So if you're a

criminal, who you going to vote for?

>> Right.

Right.

>> The soft crime party. Did you think you

were going to be able to get more done

than you were?

>> Um, we did get a lot done,

>> right?

>> Um, and Doge is still still still

happening, by the way. Um, this the the

Doge is still underway. There are still

there are still um there's still waste

and fraud being being cut by by the Doge

team. So, it hasn't stopped. Um, the

>> it's less publicized.

>> It's less publicized. Um, and they don't

have like a clear person to attack

anymore.

>> Well, it seems like they basically they

they applied immense pressure to me to

just to stop it. So then I'm like the

best thing for me is to just, you know,

cut out of this. In any case, as a

special government employee, I could

only be there for like 120 days anyway,

something like that. So whatever the law

says. So I I could I I I was necessarily

could only be there for 4 months uh as a

special government employee. So, um

um but uh yeah, I mean I mean you turn

off the money spigot to to fraudsters,

they get very upset to say the least. Um

and um but my like my death threat level

went uh ballistic, you know, was like a

like a rocket going to orbit. Um

yeah. Um, so but now that now now now

that I'm not in DC that that that I

guess they don't really have a person to

attack uh anymore.

>> Um,

>> well the rhetoric about you has calmed

down significantly.

>> Yeah,

>> it was disturbing. It was disturbing to

watch. It was like this is crazy.

>> And to watch these politicians engage in

it and all these people just like

framing you as this monster. I was like

this is so weird. Like this is what

happens when you uncover fraud.

>> Yes.

>> The whole machine turns on you. And if

it wasn't for a person like you who owns

a platform and has an enormous amount of

money, like could have destroyed you.

>> Yeah.

>> And that was the goal.

>> The goal was to destroy me. Absolutely.

>> Because you were getting in the way

>> of this amazing graft.

>> The the this gigantic fraud machine.

>> Yeah.

>> Um like I think I think Doge team's on

done a lot of good work. Um, you know,

and in in terms of uh fraud and waste

prevented, my guess is it's, you know,

probably on the order of two or 300

billion a year. So, it's pretty good.

>> What do you think could have been done

if you just had like full reign and

total cooperation? How much do you think

you could have saved?

>> I mean, what level of of power are we

assuming here?

>> Godlike.

>> Oh, yeah. I probably cut the federal

budget in half

and get more done.

That is so crazy. It is so crazy that

get more done and federal budget

widespread. It's that widespread.

>> Well, I mean a whole bunch of government

departments simply shouldn't exist in my

opinion. um they they um you know um

>> like examples

>> well the department of ed department of

education which was created uh recently

like under Jimmy Carter um uh the our

educational results have uh gone uh

downhill ever since it was created. So

if you if you create a department and

the result of creating that department

is a massive decline in educational

results and it's department of

education, you're better off not having

it because we're literally we were did

better before there was one than after

>> when you let the states run it.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> Because at least the states can compete

with one another. Um so but the problem

is like here like cutting department

education. our kids need education.

Yeah, they do. But but this is a new

department that didn't even exist um you

know until late the late 70s. Um and

ever since that department was created,

the results educational results have

declined.

And so why would you have an institution

continue that has made education worse?

It doesn't make sense.

>> They killed it though, right? No, there

still unfortunately

>> but they were trying to kill it.

>> It has been substantially reduced.

>> Okay.

>> Um

>> what other organizations

what other departments?

>> Well, I mean I'm a small government guy.

So um you know when when the you know

when the country was created we just we

we just had the department of state,

department of war um you know and and uh

sort of the sort of the department of

justice. We had an attorney general uh

and Treasury Department. Um

I don't know why you need more than

that.

>> So what other departments specifically

do you think are just completely

ineffective?

>> Well, I mean here it's like a question.

It's a sort of philosophical question of

how much government do you think there

should be?

>> Right.

>> Um in my opinion, there should be uh the

least amount of government. I've heard

the most bizarre argument against this

is that you're cutting jobs and you're

gonna leave people jobless. And I'm

like, but their jobs are useless.

>> Yeah. Paying people to do nothing

doesn't make sense. Um like there's a

like a a great um

a story about like Milton Friedman who

is awesome. Um uh what like generally

whatever Milton Friedman said is you

know people should should do that thing.

Uh I'm not sure if it's apocryphal or

not, but um like like someone complained

to him like he he he observed I think

people that were like um digging ditches

with uh you know with with um shovels

and um and he said well like allegedly

Freeman said, "Well, I think I think you

should use you know um excavating

equipment instead of shovels and you

could get it done with far fewer

people." And then and then someone said,

"But then we're going to lose a lot of

jobs." Well, in that then Freedom says,

"Well, in that case, why don't you have

them use teaspoons?"

Just just dig ditches with teaspoons.

Think of all the jobs you'll create.

>> I mean,

it's [ __ ] Basically, you just want

people to work on on things that are

that are productive. You want people to

work on on building things um on

building you know uh providing products

and services that people find valuable

um like you know making food um being

you know being a farmer or a plumber or

electrician or just anyone who's a

builder or providing useful services. Um

and um that's what you want people to be

doing. um not fake government jobs uh

that that that don't add any value or

may subtract value. Um

um there's also like you know uh to

illustrate the absurdity of also how is

the e how is the economy measured like

the the way economists measure the

economy is is is nonsensical uh because

they'll measure any job no matter even

if that job is a dumb job that has no

point and is even counterproductive. So

like, so the like the joke is like

there's two economists going on a hike

in the woods

and they come across

a pile of [ __ ] and one economist says to

the other, "I'll pay you $100 to eat eat

that shit."

The economist eats the [ __ ] gets the

$100. They they keep walking. Then the

other econ then come across another pile

of [ __ ] And and the the other economist

says, "Now I'll pay you $100 to eat the

pile of shit."

say pays the so pays the other economist

$100 pile of [ __ ] Then they then then

then the way said they said like wait a

second um we both just ate a pile of

[ __ ] and we're no and and and and we're

we're no we we we we

don't have any more extra money like

like we both you just gave the $100 back

to me and we both ate a pile of [ __ ]

This doesn't make any sense. And they

said, "No, no, but think of the economy

because that's $200 of that in the

economy that that basically measure

eating eating [ __ ] would count as a as

as a as a job.

This is this is this is to illustrate

the absurdity of of of

economics.

>> One of the things you said when things

should not count as a job." One of the

things you said when you stepped away is

that you're kind of done and that it's

unfixable. That um well or under its

current form the way people are

approaching it

you can you can make it directionally

better but ultimately you can't uh fully

fix the system. Um,

so, uh, I I I like like like like it it

it is it is it would be accurate to say

that even

like like unless you could go like super

draconian like you know Gangghaskhan

level on on on cutting waste waste and

fraud which you can't really do in a

democratic country um an aspirationally

democratic country then um there's no

way to solve the the the debt crisis.

So, we got we got national debt that's

just insane where the debt payments the

interest payments on the debt exceed our

entire military budget.

I mean, that's one that was one of the

wakeup calls for me. I was like, "Wait a

second. The interest on a national debt

is bigger than the entire the entire

military budget

um and growing. Um this is crazy. Um so

um

so so even if you implement all these

savings, you're only delaying the day of

reckoning for when America becomes goes

bankrupt. So unless you go full

Genghaskhan, um which you can't really

do. So

um

so I came to the conclusion that the

only way that the only way to get us out

of the debt crisis and to prevent

America from going bankrupt is AI and

robotics.

So, like we need to grow the economy

um at

at a at a at a rate that allows us to u

to pay off our debt. Um

and um I I I guess people just generally

don't appreciate the degree to which um

you know this the the government

overspending is is a problem. Um but

even like the social security website,

this is under the Biden administration.

On the website, it would say like uh we

based on on current demographic trends

and um you and and and how much money

social security is bringing in versus

how many social security recipients

there are because we have an aging

population. Relatively speaking, the

average age is is increasing. Social

Security will not be able to ma u

maintain its full payments u I think in

by 2032

there. Okay. So they will social

security will have to stop will start

reducing the the amount of money that

that's been paid people um in in about

seven years.

>> And so the only way to fix that robotics

manufacturing

raise GDP

>> you've got to basically uh massively

increase the um uh economic output which

is and the only way to do that is AI AI

and robotics. So, so basically we're

going bankrupt without AI and robotics

with even with a bunch of savings um the

savings the savings like reducing uh

waste and forward can give us a longer

runway but it cannot ultimately pay off

our national debt.

>> So what do you think the solution is to

the jobs that are going to be lost

because of AI and robotics? The jobs due

to automation the jobs due to no longer

do we need human beings to do these jobs

because AI is doing them. Do you think

it's going to be some sort of a

universal basic income thing? Do you

think there's going to be some other

kind of solution that has to be

implemented

because a lot of people are going to be

out of work, right?

Um I think there will be um actually a

high demand for jobs but not necessarily

the same jobs.

So

I mean this is actually this process has

been happening um throughout um modern

history. Um I mean there used to be like

like doing calculations um ma manually

with with like a pencil and paper. It

used to be a job. So they used to have

like buildings full of people called

computers where the the banks would like

all you do all day is is is um you do

calculations because they didn't have

computers. They didn't they didn't have

digital didn't have digital computers

that that people

>> Yeah. Well, it was just people would

just like add and subtract stuff on

piece of paper and and and that that

would be how banks would do you know

financial processing

>> and you'd have to literally go over

their equations to make sure the books

are balanced.

>> Yeah. And most times it's just simple

math like you know the like in a world

before computers how did you calculate

how did you you do transactions? You had

to do them by hand.

Um so then when computers were

introduced the job of doing um you know

bank calculations no longer existed. Um

so people had to go do something else.

Um and that's what's going to happen

that what's that's what is happening at

an accelerated rate um due to AI and and

then robotics. That's the issue though,

right? The accelerated rate because it's

going to be

>> it's the accelerator. It's it's it's

just happening. Like I said, like AI is

the supersonic tsunami.

>> So that's what I call it, supersonic

tsunami. Um so

>> it's like what other jobs will be

available that aren't available now

because of AI?

>> Um well AI um will is is really still

digital. Ultimately, um AI can improve

the productivity of of humans who who um

build things with their hands or do

things with their hands like plum, you

know literally

welding,

electrical work, plumbing, anything

that's that's physically moving atoms.

Um like cooking food or um you know

farming or or like like anything that's

that's physical uh those jobs will exist

for a much longer time. But anything

that is digital uh which is like just

someone at a computer doing something,

AI is going to take over those jobs like

lightning,

>> coding, anything along those lines.

Yeah,

>> it's going to take over those jobs like

lightning. Um just like it just like

digital computers took over the job of

people doing manual calculations

but but much faster.

>> So what happens to all those people?

Like what kind of numbers are we talking

about? you're going to lose most

drivers, right? Commercial drivers.

You're going to have automated vehicles,

AI controlled systems, just like uh

there's certain ports in China, I think

in Singapore, where everything's

completely automated.

>> Yeah. Mostly. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, you're going to lose a lot of

those jobs. Long shoreman jobs,

trucking, commercial drivers.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we actually do have

a shortage of of truck drivers, but

there's there's actually um

>> Well, that's why California has hired so

many illegals to do it. Have you seen

those numbers?

>> Yeah. Um I mean, the problem is like

when you when people don't know how to

drive a semi-truck, which is actually a

hard thing to do, then they they crash

and kill people.

>> Yeah.

>> Um a friend of mine's wife was killed by

an an illegal driving a truck and she

was just out biking. Um and uh there was

an illegal he didn't know how to drive

the truck or so or something. I mean and

he he ran ran her over.

Um so I mean like thing is like for

something like you you can't you can't

let people drive uh you know

sort of an 80,000lb semi um if if they

don't know how to do it.

But in California, they're just letting

people do it

>> because they need people to do it.

>> Well, they also need they want the votes

and that kind of thing. But um but but

yeah, like cars are um cars are going to

be autonomous. Um, but there there's

just so many desk desk jobs where where

really people what people are doing is

they're processing email um or they're

answering the phone. Um, and and just

anything that is that that isn't moving

atoms like anything that is not

physically like doing physical work that

will obviously be the first thing those

jobs will be and are being eliminated by

by AI at a very rapid pace. Um

um

and ultimately

I working will be optional

uh because you'll have robots plus AI

um and we'll have in a benign scenario

universal high income not just universal

basic income universal high income

meaning anyone can have any products or

services that they want.

So you

>> but but there will be a lot of trauma

and disruption along the way.

>> So you anticipate a basic income from

that that the economy will boost to such

an extent that a high income would be

available to almost everybody. So we'd

essentially eliminate poverty

>> um in the benign scenario. Yes. So like

the way

>> there's multiple scenarios.

>> There are multiple scenarios. There's a

lot of ways this movie can end. Um, like

the reason I'm so concerned about AI

safety is that like one of the

possibilities is the Terminator

scenario. It's not it's not 0%.

Um so

um, that's why it's like I'm like really

banging the drum on AI needs to be

maximally truth seeeking. like don't

make I don't force AI to believe a lie

like that the for example the founding

fathers were actually a group of diverse

women or that misgendering is worse than

nuclear war because you if if that's the

case and then you get the robots and the

AI becomes omnipotent it can enforce

that outcome

and then

then like unless you're a diverse woman

you're you're out of the picture so

we're we're toast So that's

>> um or you might wake up as a diverse

woman one day

has adjusted the picture and and we are

now

>> everyone's a diverse woman. So that

would be that's the the worst possible

situation. So what would be the steps

that we would have to take in order to

implement the benign solution

where it's universal high income like

best case scenario this is the path

forward to universal high income for

essentially every single citizen that

the the economy gets boosted by AI and

robotics to such an extent that no one

ever has to work again and what about

meaning for those people which is which

gets really weird.

>> Yeah.

>> I don't know how to answer the question

about meaning. Um

>> that's an individual problem, right? But

it's going to be an individual problem

for millions of people.

>> Yeah.

Well, I I mean I I I guess I've like for

fought against saying like, you know, I

you know, I've been I've been a voice

saying like, "Hey, we need to slow down

AI. we need to slow down all these

things. Um, and and we need to, you

know, not not have a crazy AI race. I've

been saying that for a long time, for 20

20 plus years. Um, but but then I, you

know, I came to realize that, um, really

there's two choices here. Either be a

spectator or a or a participant. And if

I'm a, if I'm a spectator, I can't

really influence the direction of AI.

But if I'm a participant, I can try to

influence the direction of AI and have a

maximally truth seeeking AI with with

good values that uh loves humanity. And

that's what we're trying to create with

Grock at XAI. And um you know, the

research is I think bearing this out.

Like I said, the when they when they

compared like how do AIs value the

weight of a human life? Um

Grock was the only one the only one of

the AIS that weighted human life

equally.

um and and didn't and didn't say like a

white guy's uh worth 120th of a of a of

a a black woman's life. Literally,

that's what they they calculation they

came up with.

>> So, I'm like, this is I'm like, this is

very alarming. We should we got to watch

this stuff.

>> So, this is one of the things that has

to happen in order to reach this benign

solution.

>> Yeah. We we we I I just keep

>> Best movie ending. Yeah. Um, you you

want a a curious truth seeeking AI. Um,

and I think a curious truth seeeking AI

will want to foster humanity. Uh,

because we're much more interesting than

um a bunch of rocks. Like you say, like

like I I love Mars, you know, but but

Mars is kind of boring. Like it's just a

bunch of red rocks. Um, it does some

cool stuff. It's got a tall mountain.

It's got, you know, it's got the biggest

re the biggest ravine and the tallest

mountain. Um, but there's no there's no

there's no animals or plants or and and

there's no people. Um, and uh, you know,

so humanity is just much more

interesting if you're a curious truth

seeeking AI than not humanity. It's just

much more interesting. Um, I mean like

as as humans, we could go for example

and and eliminate all chimps. If we said

if we put our minds to it, we could say

we could go out and we could annihilate

all chimps and all gorillas, but but we

don't. Um there has been encroachment on

their environment, but we we actually

try to preserve uh the the uh chimp and

gorilla habitats. Um

and um and I think in a good scenario,

uh AI would do the same with with

humans. it would actually foster uh

human civilization and care about human

happiness.

So this is um this is the thing to to

try to achieve I think. Um,

>> but what is the what does the landscape

look like if you have Grock competing

with Open AI, competing with all these

different like

how does it work? Like what what if you

have AIs that have been captured by

ideologies that are side by side

competing with Grock? like how do we so

this is one of the reasons why you felt

like it's important to not just be a an

observer but participate and then have

Grock be more successful and more potent

than these other applications. Yes, as

long as there's at least one AI that is

maximally truth seeeking, curious, and

um you know, and for example, weighs all

you know, human lives equally um does

not favor one race or gender, then um

then then that that that and and people

are able to look at look at, you know,

Grock at XAI and compare that and say,

"Wait a second, why are all these other

AIs uh being basically sexist and

racist?" Um

um and uh then then that that causes

some embarrassment for the the other AIS

and then they they they they fix they

you know they they improve they tend to

improve just in the in the same way that

um acquiring Twitter and allowing the

truth to be told and and not suppressing

the truth um forced the other social

media companies to be more truthful um

by in in the same way having um Gro be a

maximally truth seeeking, curious AI is

will force the other AI companies to um

be also be more truth seeeking and fair.

>> And the funniest thing is even though

like the socialists and the Marxists are

in opposition to a lot of your ideas,

but if this gets implemented and you

really can achieve universal high

income, that's the greatest socialist

solution of all time. Like literally no

one will have to work. Uh correct. Um

like I said so so there is a benign

scenario here which I think probably

people will be happy with if if as long

as we we achieve it which is sustainable

abundance.

um which is if if um if everyone can

have every like like like if if you ask

people like what's the future that you

want

>> um and uh I think a future where we

haven't destroyed nature like you can

still we have the national parks we have

the the Amazon rainforest still still

there we haven't paved we haven't paved

the paved the rainforest like the

natural beauty is still there but but

people have nonetheless everyone has

abundance everyone has excellent medical

care. Everyone has whatever goods and

services they want.

>> And we just

>> It kind of sounds like heaven.

>> It sounds like it is like the ideal

socialist utopia. And this idea that the

only thing you should be doing with your

time is working in order to pay your

bills and feed yourself sounds kind of

archaic considering the kind of

technology that's at play.

>> Yeah.

>> Like a world where that's not your

concern at all anymore. Everybody has

money for food. Everybody has abundance.

Everybody has electronics in their home.

Everybody essentially has a high income.

Now you can kind of do whatever you

want. And your day can now be exploring

your interests doing things that you

actually enjoy doing. Your purpose just

has to shift. Instead of, you know, I'm

a hard worker and this is what I do and

that's how I that's how I define myself.

No. Now you can [ __ ] golf all day,

you know? You can whatever it is that

you enjoy doing can now be your main

pursuit.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, that sounds crazy good.

>> Yeah, that's that's that's the benign

scenario that we should be.

>> The best ending to the movie is actually

pretty good.

>> Yes. um like I think there's there is

still this question of meaning um of

like making sure people don't

uh lose meaning you know like um so

hopefully they can find meaning in ways

that are not that that's not derived

from their work

>> and purpose purpose for things that you

you know find things that you do that

you enjoy but there's a lot of people

that are independently wealthy that

spend most of their time doing something

they enjoy

>> right

>> and that could be the majority of people

>> pretty much everyone.

>> But we'd have to rewire how people

approach life.

>> Mhm.

>> Which seems to be like acceptable

because you're not asking them to be

enslaved. You're exactly asking them the

opposite. Like no longer be burdened by

financial worries.

Now go do what you like.

>> Yes.

>> Go [ __ ] test pizza.

>> Do whatever you want.

>> Um pretty much. Um, so that's uh that's

that's the that's the that's probably

the best case outcome.

>> That sounds like the best case outcome

period for the future. If you're looking

at like how much people have struggled

just to feed themselves all throughout

history, food, shelter, safety, if all

of that stuff can be fixed, like how

much would you solve a lot of the crime

if there was a universal high income?

Just think of that. Like how much of

crime is financially motivated? You

know, the greater percentage of people

that are committing crimes live in poor,

disenfranchised neighborhoods.

>> So if there's no such thing anymore, if

you really can achieve universal high

income,

>> yeah,

>> that this is it sounds like a utopian.

>> Yes. Um I think some people may commit

crime because they like committing

crime. It just some some amount of that

is they just

>> wild people out there.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Um

>> and obviously they've become 40 years

old living a life like that. Now all of

a sudden universal high income is not

going to completely stop their

instincts.

>> Yeah. Um I mean I guess if you want to

have like like say read a science

fiction book or some books that that are

probably an accurate or or the the least

inaccurate version of the future. I'd

say I' I'd recommend um the Ian Banks

books called the the culture books. It's

not actually a series. It's a It's like

ai sci-fi books about the future.

They're generally called the culture

books. Yen Banks culture books. It's

worth reading those.

>> When did he write these?

>> He started writing them in the 70s. Um

and I think he

um the last one I think he was I think

it was written just like around I don't

know maybe 2010 or something. I'm not

sure exactly.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Scottish author Ian Banks from 87 to

2012.

>> Yeah. Interesting.

>> But he but like he wrote the the like

his first book, Consider Flever. Like he

started writing that in the 70s.

>> These books are incredible, by the way.

>> Oh,

>> incredible books.

>> 4.6 stars on Amazon.

>> Interesting.

>> So,

um,

>> so this gives me hope.

>> Uh, yeah. Yeah.

>> This is the first time I've ever thought

about it this way.

>> Yeah. Well, I mean,

if like

I often ask people, "What is the future

that you want?" And they have to think

about it for a second cuz, you know,

they're usually tied up in whatever the

daily struggles are. But, but you say,

"What is the future that you want?" Um,

and um, and generally sustainable

abundance, what do these folks say,

"What about a future where there's

sustainable abundance?" Like, "Oh, yeah,

that's a pretty good future." Um so um

you know if if and and and that that

future is attainable with AI and

robotics

um but but you know it's it's like I

said there's not every path is a good

path. uh there's this it's but I think

if we if we push it in the direction of

um maximally truth seeeking and curious

then I think AI will want to take to to

take care of humanity and foster uh

foster humanity um

because we're interesting

um and if it hasn't been programmed to

think that like all straight white male

should die,

which Gemini was basically programmed to

do at least at first. Um, you know, they

seem to have fixed it. I hope they fixed

it.

>> But don't you think culturally

like, oh, we're getting away from that

mindset and that people realize how

preposterous that all is.

>> We are getting away from it. Um,

so, uh, we are getting at least it knows

the AI mostly knows to hide things. But

like like I said, there is that I I

think I still have that as or I had that

as my like pinned post on X which was

like uh hey wait a second guys we still

have every AI except Grock uh is saying

that uh basically straight white male

should die um and this is a problem and

we should fix it. um

and you know but simply me saying that

is like tends to generally result in um

you know them like that is kind of bad.

Uh maybe we should just we should not

have all straight white males die. Um I

think they say also all all straight

Asian males should also die as well.

like that like uh

like generally the generally the AI and

the and the media which which back back

in the day the

the media was um you know racist against

uh black people and sexist against women

back in the day. Now now it is racist

against uh white people and Asians and

sexist against men.

>> Um so they just like being racist and

sexist. I think they just want to change

the target. Um so uh but but really they

just shouldn't be uh racist and sexist

at all. Um you know

>> ideally that would be nice.

>> That would be nice. Um, and it's kind of

crazy that we were kind of moving in

that general direction till around 2012

>> and then everything ramped up online and

and everybody was accused of being a

Nazi and everybody was transphobic and

racist and sexist and homophobic and

everything got exaggerated to the point

where it was this wild witch hunt where

everyone was a colomo looking for

racism.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Um, well well

but but but they they were openly

anti-white and often openly anti-Asian.

And then this new sentiment that you

cannot be racist against white people

cuz racism is power and influence.

>> Okay. No, it's not.

>> Yeah. Racism is is is racism in the

absolute. Um so um you know and there

just needs to be consistency. So if it's

okay to have uh let's say uh black or

Asian or Indian or pride, it should be

okay to have white pride, too.

>> Yeah. Um, so that's just a that's just a

consistency question. Um, so, uh, you

know, um, if it if it's okay to be proud

of one religion, it should be okay to be

proud of, I I guess all religions

provided they're that they're they're

not like oppressive.

>> Yeah. Or or or don't like as long as

part of that religion is not like

exterminating uh people who are not in

that religion type,

>> right? Um so uh

it's really just like a consistency

bias. Um

or or just like uh ensuring consistency

to eliminate uh bias. Um so if it is

possible to be uh racist against

uh one race, it is possible to be racist

against any race.

Um so

>> of course logically.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. and arguing against that is that's

when you know you're catching

>> it's a it's a logical inconsistency that

makes AIS go insane

>> and people

>> and people go insane. Yes.

>> Um

>> but like the the

like like you can't simultaneously say

um that uh there's the systemic uh

racist oppression but also that races

don't exist

that that race race is a social

construct.

like which is it? You know, um you also

can't say that um you know, anyone who

steps foot in America is is

automatically an American except for the

people that originally came here.

>> Exactly. Exactly. Except for the

colonizers.

>> Yeah. Except for the evil colonizers who

came here,

>> right?

>> So which one is it? Like if you if as

soon as you step foot put in a place you

are that you are just as American as

everyone else

>> then um that would have appi if you

apply that consistently then the

original white settlers were also just

as American as everyone else.

>> Yeah. Logically.

>> Logically. Um, one more thing that I

have to talk to you about before you

leave is the rescuing of the people from

the space station, which, uh, we talked

about, you were planning it the last

time you were here.

>> Um, the f the lack of coverage that that

got in mainstream media was one of the

most shocking things that

>> Yeah, they totally memoryhold that

thing.

>> Wild. Yes. Because if it wasn't,

>> it's like it didn't exist. Those people

would be dead. They'd be stuck up there.

>> Well, they'd they'd probably still be

alive, but they'd they'd be having bone

density issues uh because of prolonged

exposure to zero gravity.

>> Well, they were already up there for

like 8 months, right?

>> Yeah.

>> Which is an insanely long time. It takes

forever to recover just from that.

>> Yeah. They're only supposed to be at the

space station for 3 to 6 months maximum.

So,

>> one of the things you told me that was

so crazy was that you could have gotten

them sooner, but

>> Yeah. But for political reasons, uh they

didn't they did not want uh SpaceX or me

to be associated with um returning the

astronauts before the election.

>> That is so wild that that's a fact.

>> First of all, that

>> we absolutely could have done it. Um so,

>> but even though you did do it and you

did it after the election, it received

almost no media coverage anyway.

>> Yes. because nothing good can the the

the media which is essentially a far

left prop the legacy mainstream media is

a far-lft propaganda machine. Um and so

anything any story that is positive

about someone who is not part of the

sort of far-left tribe will not uh get

any coverage.

>> I I could save a busload of orphans and

and it it wouldn't get a single news

story.

>> Yeah, it's it really is nuts. It it was

nuts to watch because even though it was

discussed on podcasts and it was

discussed on X and it was discussed on

social media, it's still it was a blip

in the news cycle. It was very quick. It

was in and out and because it was a su

successful launch and you did rescue

those people, nobody got hurt and there

was nothing really to there was no blood

to talk about,

>> right?

>> Just [ __ ] in and out.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, and and as

as you saw firsthand with the Starship

launch, like Starship is um you know by

you know at least by some some would

consider it to be like the most amazing

uh you know engineering project that's

happening on Earth right now outside of

like you know maybe AI or AI and

robotics but but certainly in terms of a

spectacle to see it is uh the most

spectacular thing that is happening on

earth right now

is the Starship launch program which

anyone can go and see if they just go to

South Texas and just they can just rent

a hotel room low cost in South Padre

Island or in Brownsville and you can see

the launch and you can drive right right

past the factory because it's on a

public highway. Um but it gets no

coverage

or what coverage it does get was like a

rocket blew up coverage,

>> right? Yeah. Oh, he's a [ __ ] The rocket

blew up. like the the the the Star Sasha

program is vastly

>> vastly more capable than the entire

Apollo moon moon program. Vastly more

capable. This is a spaceship that is

designed to make life multilanetary to

carry uh millions of people across the

heavens to another planet.

the the Apollo program could could only

send astronauts to the moon for a few

hours at a time.

Like they could send two the entire

Apollo program could only send

astronauts to visit the moon very

briefly and then for a few hours and

then depart.

The starship program could create an

entire uh lunar base with a million

people.

You understand the mag the magnitudes

are

>> there's different very different

magnitudes here.

>> So what was the political

>> basically no no coverage of it.

>> Yeah. But what I wanted to ask you is

like what so what were the conversations

leading up to the rescue like when you

were like I can get them out way

quicker.

>> Yeah. Um

um well I mean you know I raised this a

few times but it was the I was told

instructions came from the White House

that uh you know that that there should

be no attempt to rescue before the

election.

>> That should be illegal.

>> That that that really should be a

horrendous miscarriage of justice for

those poor people that were stuck on

that.

>> Um yeah it it is it is crazy. Um,

>> have you ever talked to those folks

afterwards? Did you have conversations

with them?

>> Yeah. I mean, they they're they're not

going to say anything political to, you

know, they're not like they're never

going to

>> say thank you.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Well, that's nice.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So, um,

>> but the instructions came down from the

White House. He cannot rescue them

because politically this is a a bad hand

of cards.

>> I mean, they didn't say because

politically it's a bad hand of cards.

They they just said uh they were they

were not interested in uh any rescue

operation before the election.

>> Yeah. So

>> what did that feel like?

>> I wasn't surprised.

>> But it's crazy.

>> Yeah,

>> because Biden could have authorized it

and they could have said the the Biden

administration is helping bring those

people back, throw you a little funding,

give you some money to do it. the Biden

administration, they funded these people

being returned.

>> Uh yeah, the Biden administration was

not exactly my best friend,

>> especially especially after I um you

know,

you know, helped Trump get elected get

get elected, which I mean some people

>> still think, you know, Trump is like the

the devil basically. Um, and I mean I

think I think Trump actually he's not

he's is not perfect, but but uh he's not

evil. Trump is not evil. I spent a lot

of time with with him and he's

>> I mean he's a product of his time. Uh

but he is not he's not evil.

>> Um

>> no, I don't think he's evil either. But

if you look at the media coverage,

>> the media the media treason like he's

super evil. It's pretty shocking if you

look at the amount of negative coverage.

Like one of the things that I looked at

the other day was mainstream media

coverage of you, Trump, a bunch of

different public figures and then

>> 96% negative or something crazy

>> and then Mum Donnie, which is like 95%

positive,

>> right? Um I mean Manny is is is is a

charismatic swindler. Um I I I mean you

got to hand it to him like he he does he

can light up a stage. Um but he has just

been a swindler his entire life. Um and

um

you know and and uh I think

he what he's I mean he's likely to win.

He's likely to be mayor of New York New

York City.

>> Very likely.

>> Yeah. Very likely. I think Poly Market

has it at what what is the

>> 94%?

>> Yeah, that sounds pretty likely.

>> That's crazy.

>> Like I'm not sure who the 6% are, you

know.

>> Um so, so yeah. So that's um

>> what's also like who's on the other

side? The [ __ ] guardian angel guy

with the beret and Andrew Cuomo who

doesn't even have a party. Like they the

Democrats don't even want him. So you

have those two options.

Um,

>> and then you have the young kids who are

like finally socialism.

>> Yeah, they

they don't know what they're talking

about obviously. Um, so you know, like

you just look at this say how many boats

come from Cuba to Florida and how many

but and how many boats because you know

there's like a constant I always think

like how many boats are accumulating on

the shores of Florida coming from from

Cuba,

>> right? Um

there's a there's a whole bunch of free

boats that you could if you want to go

take them back to Cuba. It's pretty

close.

>> Yeah.

>> But for some reason people don't do

that.

>> Why why why why are the boats only

coming in this direction?

>> Um

>> well who is who are the most rabid

capitalists in America? The [ __ ]

Cubans.

>> Absolutely.

>> Yeah. They're like we've seen how this

story goes.

>> We do not want Exactly.

>> [ __ ] off.

Cubans in Miami, they don't want to hear

any [ __ ] They don't want to hear

any socialism [ __ ] They're like,

"No, no, no. We know what this actually

is. This isn't just some [ __ ] dream."

>> Yeah. It's extreme government

oppression. Um

>> that's how it's a nightmare. And like

the like an obvious way you can tell

which uh which ideology is is the bad

one is um who has to which ideology is

building a wall to keep people in and

prevent them from escaping.

>> Right?

>> Like so East Berlin built the built the

wall not West Berlin,

>> right?

>> They built the wall because people were

trying to escape from communism to West

Berlin. But there wasn't anyone going

from West Berlin to East Berlin,

>> right?

>> That's why the communists had to build a

wall to keep people from escaping.

>> They're going to have to build a wall

around New York City.

>> Yeah. That So, so

that an ideology is problematic. If that

ideology has to build a wall to keep

people in with machine guns,

>> Yes.

>> and shoot you if you try to leave. Also,

there's no examples of it being

successful ever. We're only working out

for people. No, there's examples of a

bunch of lies like North Korea. Give

this land to the state. We'll be in

control of food. No one goes hungry. No.

Now, no one can grow food but the

government and we'll tell you exactly

what you eat and you eat very little.

>> Right.

>> Yeah. What? When you say mom Donny's a

swindler, I know he has a bunch of fake

accents that he used to use. Yeah.

>> And you know, but what else has he done

that makes him a swindler?

Um

well I I guess if you say uh what I mean

if if say if you say to any audience

whatever that audience wants to hear uh

instead of what instead of having a

consistent message I would say that that

is a swindly thing to do. Um

and uh

yeah um

yeah but but he is he is charismatic. Um

>> yeah good-looking guy. Smart,

charismatic.

>> Yeah.

>> Great on a microphone.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and and what the

young people want to see,

>> you know, like this ethnic guy who's

young and vibrant and has all these

socialist ideas align with them and you

know, they're bunch of broke dorks just

out of college like, "Yay, let's vote

for this." And there's a lot of them and

they're they're activated. They're

motivated.

>> Um,

>> I guess we'll we'll we'll see what

happens here.

>> What do you think happens if he wins?

Um

because like 1% of New York City is

responsible for 50% of their tax base,

which is kind of nuts. 50% of the tax

revenue comes from 1% of the population.

And those are the people that you're

scaring off.

You know, you lose one half of 1%. Yeah,

I mean hopefully this the stuff he's he

said, you know, about government

takeovers of of like that all the stores

should be the government basically. Um

>> I don't think he said that. I think he

said government they want to do

government supermarkets, some state-run

or cityrun supermarkets.

>> Yeah. Um well, it just the the

government is the DMV at scale. So um

you have to say like do you want the DMV

running your supermarket?

>> Right. Um, was your last experience at

the DMV amazing? Uh, and if it wasn't,

you probably don't want the government

doing things.

>> Imagine if they were responsible for

getting you blueberries.

>> Yeah.

It's not going to be good. I mean, the

the the thing about, you know, communism

is is it was it was all bread lines and

bad shoes. Um, you know, do do you want

ugly shoes and bread lines? Because

that's what communism gets you.

It's going to be interesting to see what

happens and whether or not they snap out

of it and overcorrect and go to some

Rudy Giuliani type character next cuz

it's been a long time since there was

any sort of Republican leader there.

And we we live in the in the most

interesting of times

um because We we face the

you know simultaneously face

civilizational decline

um and incredible pro prosperity

um and these these timelines are

interwoven

um so um if Mani's policies are put into

place especially at scale um it it would

be a catastrophic

uh decline in living standards not just

for the rich but for everyone.

um uh as as has been the case with with

every um every for every every socialist

experiment um or every Yeah. So

um but but then as you pointed out the

the irony is that like um the ultimate

capitalist thing of AI and robotics

uh enabling

uh prosperity for all and an abundance

of goods and services actually the

capitalist

uh implementation of AI and robotics

assuming it goes down the the good path

uh is is actually what results in the

communist utopia.

Because fate is fate is an irony

maximizer,

>> right? And and an actual socialism of

maximum abundance of highincome

people.

>> Universal high income.

>> Yeah.

>> Like the the problem with communism uh

is is universal low income. Um it's it's

not that everyone gets elevated, it's

that everyone gets oppressed except for

a very small minority of of politicians

who live a lives of luxury. That's

what's happening every time it's been

done.

>> Yeah. Um so um

but then the

the actual communist utopia if everyone

gets anything they want will be will be

if if will be achieved

if it is achieved it will be achieved

via c capitalism

>> because fate is an irony maximizer.

>> I feel like we should probably end it on

that. Is there anything else? The most

ironic outcome is the most likely,

especially if entertaining.

>> Well, everything has been entertaining.

As long as the bad things aren't

happening to you, it's quite

fascinating. And it's never a boring

moment.

>> Yes. So there's I do have a theory of

why um like if if if simulation theory

is true then

um it is actually very likely that

um the most interesting outcome is the

is the most likely because only the

simulations that are interesting will

continue. The simulators will stop any

simulations that are boring because

they're they're not interesting.

>> But here's the question about the

simulation theory. Is the simulation run

by anyone or is

>> it would be run by someone?

>> It would be run by

>> some some

>> some force

>> the pro the program like in in this

reality that we live in, we we run

simulations all the time. Like so when

we try to figure out if the rocket's

gonna make it, we run um

thousands sometimes millions of

simulations just to figure out which

which

uh path is the good path for the rocket

and and where can it go wrong, where can

it fail. Um but we when we do these I

say at this point millions of

simulations of of what can happen with

the rocket um we ignore the ones that

are where everything goes right um

because we we we just care about the we

have we have to address the situations

where it goes wrong.

Um so

um so so basically in in in and and for

for AI simulations as well like like all

these things we we keep the simulations

going that are the most interesting to

us. Um

so if simulation theory is accurate if

if it is true who knows um then the uh

the the simulators will will only they

will continue to run the simulations

that are most interesting there.

Therefore from a Darwinian perspective

um the only surviving simulations will

be the interest the most interesting

ones. And in order to um avoid getting

turned off uh the only rule is you must

keep it interesting or you will if or

you will because the boring simulations

will be terminated.

>> Are you still completely convinced that

this is a simulation?

>> I didn't say I was completely convinced.

>> Well, you said it's like the odds of it

not being are in the billions.

But I guess it's not completely cuz

you're saying there's a chance.

>> What are the odds that we're in base

reality?

Um

well given that given that that we're

able to create increasingly

sophisticated simulations. So if you

think of say video games and how video

games have gone from very simple video

games like Pong with you know two

rectangles and a square to video games

today being um photorealistic

uh with millions of people playing

simultaneously and all of that has

occurred in our lifetime.

So if that trend continues,

uh, video games will be

indistinguishable from reality. The

fidelity of the game will be such that

you you don't know if that what you're

seeing is a real video or a fake video.

Um, and like AI generated videos at this

point, you like you can sometimes tell

it's an AI generated video, but often

you cannot tell and soon you will not

really just not be able to tell. So um

if if that's happening in our direct

observation

then and and we're create we'll create

millions if not billions of

photorealistic simulations of reality

then

what are the odds that we're in base

reality

or versus someone else's simulation?

Well, isn't it just possible that the

simulation is inevitable, but that we

are in base reality building towards a

simulation?

We're making simulations.

Um, so um

we're making simulations. We make like

you can just think of like

photorealistic video games as as being

simulations.

>> Mh. Um, and especially as you apply AI

in these video games, the the characters

in the video games will be incredibly

interesting to talk to. They won't just

have a limited dialogue tree where if

you go to like the the crossbow merchant

or like and you you try to talk about

any subject except buying a crossbow,

they just want to talk about selling you

a crossbow. Um, but with with with AI

based non-player characters, you can

you'll be able to have an elaborate

conversation with no dialogue tree.

Well, that might be the solution for

meaning for people. Just lock in and you

could be a [ __ ] vampire and whatever.

You live in Avatar land. You could do

it. You could do whatever you want. I

mean, you don't have to think about

money or food.

>> Ready Player One.

>> Yeah. Literally. Yeah. But with higher

living standards.

>> Yeah.

>> You don't have to be in a little

trailer. I

>> I mean, I think this people do want to

have some amount of struggle or

something they want to push against. Um

but but it it could be you know playing

a a sports or playing a game or

something.

>> It could be easily playing a game and

especially playing a game where you're

now no longer worried about like

physical attributes like athletics like

bad joints and hips and stuff like that.

Now it's completely digital but yet you

do have meaning in pursuing this thing

that you're doing all day.

Whatever the [ __ ] that means.

It's going to be weird.

>> It's going to be interesting.

>> It's gonna be very interesting.

>> Um the most the most interesting

>> and and usually ironic outcome is the

most likely.

>> All right.

>> That's a good predictor of the future.

>> Thank you. Thanks for being here. Really

appreciate you. Appreciate your time.

You I know you're a busy man, so this

means a lot you come here to do this.

Welcome. All right. Thank you. Bye,

everybody.