Joe Rogan Experience #2411 - Gavin de Becker

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>> You got a bunch of notes. You got a lot of things to talk about. We We were starting to talk outside. We're like,

"Hold this. Hold the hold these thoughts. Let's bring them in here."

thoughts. Let's bring them in here."

>> Well, here's where I am. Uh I as a criminologist, you know, I take a different approach to things. because

I'm not obviously a doctor or a scientist. Uh thankfully and as a

scientist. Uh thankfully and as a criminologist, you get a view of the world that's quite interesting. And so I took a deep dive into pharma. But I I want to put that off for a second

because I know you know a lot of these CIA operations like um uh paperclip where we bring over people who are working on boweapons from Japan and from

Germany and we don't prosecute them and we you know use them to be the beginning of the US bioweapons program. And I know you know uh MK Ultra and Mockingbird, but do you know the one called Project

Gladadio?

>> No, I do not.

>> Put your seatelt on because this one just just tops it all. So this was World War II ends and the OSS, which was the CIA at the time, uh decides to leave behind rather than take everybody home,

all the American soldiers, they're going to leave behind a bunch of them. Hey,

you guys, hide your weapons, hide your rifles, uh secrete all the the uh grenades and ammunition and put it in bunkers and just sit sit tight until we have some ideas of things you ought to

do. So eventually a few hundred of them

do. So eventually a few hundred of them stay behind and they are going to do things in Europe to stop communism, to stop socialism, to fight the Soviets,

etc. But what do they actually end up doing is terroristic incidents against our allies. They blow up a train station

our allies. They blow up a train station in Bolognia. 285 people injured, 85

in Bolognia. 285 people injured, 85 people killed, done and funded and operated by our CIA. Uh they uh do the

19 assa 1989 assassination of a guy who's a journalist who's writing about this. They shoot him twice in the head.

this. They shoot him twice in the head.

Um they do another bombing, 17 people killed. Another one, Octoberfest in

killed. Another one, Octoberfest in Germany, not Italy. 17 people killed.

Why? because they see that certain candidates are doing well and might become uh prime ministers for example or important legislators. So when you have

important legislators. So when you have a big giant terrorist incident done in some train station for example that moves the public toward a more right-leaning government or a more

totalitarian government that CIA can deal with and away from anything where communism can happen. There's a the assassination of Aldo Mororrow. He was a

former prime minister. five bodyguards.

They're all killed. He's kidnapped. Few

weeks later, he's shot in the head and put in the trunk of a car. That was done by Project Gladadio. In other words, these things were done by the United States to our supposed allies. And

hundreds of these leavebehinds uh operated eventually a 20,000 person army all over Europe. Now, I don't expect anybody to believe a word of it. You got

to go to Wikipedia and put in GLA Dio.

It's just one D. And you see that that this insanity is true. The punchline on it for me, the one that really blows it out of the water, is that it ended in

1990.

Whoa. Yeah. And George Bush was president and he'd been former director of CIA, of course, and he um denies it like crazy, but eventually an Italian

prime minister really goes to the mat on it. And it becomes so well established

it. And it becomes so well established that the US government funded and managed these operations blowing up regular citizens in Europe that uh a lot

of the people who were imprisoned for them for those uh incidents terrorists you know terrorist groups etc were released on the defense that it was

actually done by CIA.

I did tell you to put your seatelt on.

>> Oh my god. Is that just like an idea that starts off as a precautionary measure that just got completely out of hand because there was no oversight?

>> Yeah, no oversight is the key to a bunch of stuff I want to talk about today because when governments, big centralized governments and other power centers become uh you know without

oversight. And where does oversight come

oversight. And where does oversight come from? It comes from us the public having

from? It comes from us the public having to be skeptical. And if the public is not skeptical, if they'll buy a story, uh, like, oh, a terrible terrorist group assassinated this guy, Aldorro, how

terrible. Uh, and they'll buy the story

terrible. Uh, and they'll buy the story with no skepticism, uh, because that's what we're told. Then there will be no oversight. And power centers,

oversight. And power centers, it's no surprise. You know, we could talk about every country on earth. I'm

not, you know, I I happen to love America, but I'm not saying it's just America. It's, you know, this is the

America. It's, you know, this is the nature of espionage and the nature of war. But I want to answer your question

war. But I want to answer your question about is it just because of no oversight. The United States doesn't end

oversight. The United States doesn't end wars very often. For example, World War II ends and you're all excited about it and you're mounting things and you're doing all this stuff and then uh it ends

and everybody's like, "Hey, but we were we were really into this thing." And so we don't let them end. We leave 300,000 troops in Germany, 300,000 troops in Japan, hundreds of thousands of troops

in South Korea. Why don't we bring these people home? Uh if the war is over, the

people home? Uh if the war is over, the war is over. But that's not how empire works. And so the the US uh tends to,

works. And so the the US uh tends to, you know, continue these uh wars in the versions I just described to you, which is more secret versions. And um uh it's

it's dark, man. I mean, if somebody, and maybe somebody has, but if somebody came into America and did a bunch of terrorist incidents in America that killed a lot of Americans, oh jeez, let's reflect on whether that's ever

happened. But anyway, if that happened,

happened. But anyway, if that happened, we'd be stressed and uh and rightfully we'd, you know, have a lot to complain about. But it it goes on and it's it's

about. But it it goes on and it's it's kind of my theme for today is is sharing these things that are all available on Wikipedia. You know, I'm not I'm not

Wikipedia. You know, I'm not I'm not making them up. They're all real. And I

looked at them from the point of view of a criminologist where I really lay out the evidence. And my purpose, my reason

the evidence. And my purpose, my reason for doing this today with you also in a book, my reason is that I really want to encourage Americans to be skeptical

because if you don't have skepticism, uh the government runs us. We don't run the government.

>> Absolutely. Yeah. And it's it's a strange time for that. Uh you know, because first of all, one of the things

that happened was the the Smith month, right? So when during the Obama

right? So when during the Obama administration when they made it legal to use propaganda on American citizens

that that blurred the lines of truth and reality for all of us. Yeah.

>> Forever. And unless that is somehow or another rolled back, and I don't see any effort or any desire to roll it back, we're always going to be stuck in this situation where it's absolutely legal for

intelligence agencies to lie to us in the interest of national security.

>> Yeah, that's where we are for sure.

There was I I know you already know about Project Mockingbird, but Project Mockingbird had uh hundreds of American journalists who were in some cases directly on the payroll of CIA and in

other cases just had great relationships and would you know float ideas inside the United States. It was shut down by the church committee uh Senate committee

and uh but was it really shut down or did it just change its name? Because the

reality is that today, unlike in the past, all information is international.

So if you start floating information overseas, that's not true, it's going to make its way to America. And does it make sense to do this? I remember when I was working on an investigation

involving Saudi Arabia and their use of Twitter, misuse of Twitter. Twitter

ended up canceling like 5,000 of their accounts because they were fake, you know, bots. But they were using Twitter

know, bots. But they were using Twitter to be able to uh float things so that they would uh you know become viral and and become important.

>> What time period was this?

>> This is very recent. This is uh >> so was it X or Twitter? Was it when it was >> It was Twitter. 2000 2018 2019. And they

would get things to trend. And how would they do it? Well, when when Twitter shut down their bots, they had 40,000 people sitting in their houses and they would send out the message of the day like,

uh, Jeff Bezos is the evil Jew, happens not to be Jewish, Jeff Bezos is the evil Jew who's robbing us at night, etc., because they were in a competition with Bezos over various things. And then it

would trend. And so when I saw that

would trend. And so when I saw that happening with Twitter, I thought to myself, well, every country should do that. I don't mean I like it. I just

that. I don't mean I like it. I just

mean it's it's kind of obvious that if you have an opportunity to communicate with your population in a way that makes particularly young people in Saudi Arabia, they're the ones who are going

to come over the castle wall one day.

They if you can control their perceptions, of course, that's what every country in world history has done.

Every country has a narrative, right?

Ours was when I was growing up and you two, anybody can become president. You

know, the government works for us. uh we

don't work for the government um and other wonderful myths. So that was our narrative in uh India's narrative uh is um you know the next life matters more than this one in the next life you'll

have a good time maybe now you're homeless maybe now you're one of the 7 million homeless people in Mumbai but the next life will be better England's narrative uh the class structure just

watch the king and queen they're having such a good time and the princes are having such a good time that's good enough for you isn't it and so everybody has one and they have these stories about how they control populations.

Religion being of course the big one. Uh

now government is at war with religion.

Our US government is not liking the church anymore. Is not liking other

church anymore. Is not liking other power centers. During COVID, you could

power centers. During COVID, you could go to a liquor store. You could go to a Target store, big air conditioning, keeping all the virus nice and cool and moving around, but you couldn't go to

church. And even if you they put the

church. And even if you they put the church outside, they wanted to stop the church. Now, why would governments not

church. Now, why would governments not like the church? Because it's another power center. And so, each power center

power center. And so, each power center uh needs to be knocked down.

>> But is that why they did it? Because

they also outlawed outdoor dining. They

in Los Angeles it was outlaw comedy shows.

>> Yeah. I'm going to give you a pretty uh cynical answer. Yes. That's why they did

cynical answer. Yes. That's why they did it in general with I mean, if you think about it, the constitution gives particular protections to the church, to religion. uh doesn't give particular

religion. uh doesn't give particular protections to liquor stores or big box stores and uh and yet that's what happened. But what about shows for

happened. But what about shows for example when you have a population that cannot gather for enjoyment. You know,

we're all going to the concert and we're going to watch this musical event and none of us are going to say, "Oh, that guy over there voted for Trump. I hate

him." "Oh, that guy over there voted for, you know, Biden. That one's woke.

That one's such and such." We just enjoy the show, right? We go to the beach, which was prohibited, remember? But we

go to the beach and I look over at you and your kids and your family and you look over at mine and we're having a good time. Nobody's judging anybody.

good time. Nobody's judging anybody.

We're just there to swim, >> right?

>> You can divide a country in the way that it happened with us during the COVID lockdowns. Uh that is the source of

lockdowns. Uh that is the source of power. Division is actually the source

power. Division is actually the source of power.

>> But do you feel like this was done on purpose? Did you think that they were

purpose? Did you think that they were capitalizing on the event of COVID or that they knew that a situation like this is is an excellent opportunity for

them to divide people further? Or was it just the fact that they had to act at least they had to at least give the guise of public safety? It it had to at least be

public safety? It it had to at least be performative and that they were doing something the optics that was that they were protecting people from the spread

of this disease. Uh well the my best way to assess things is um rather than ever try to figure out what's in somebody's head, I just look at what actually

happened. And what actually happened is

happened. And what actually happened is that every Western nation on earth put all its citizens under house arrest.

Every nation on earth did what no opposing enemy could ever do to the United States. We just had everybody

United States. We just had everybody staying indoors, not gathering, hundreds of thousands of businesses closed. uh

people uh unable to do what they wanted to do uh and and not free. So I don't think there's any argument that during the COVID lockdowns, I'm not talking

about the COVID disease. The CO disease is this big. The lockdowns is this big.

>> The lockdowns is as big an event as all the world wars put together. The

lockdowns caused a complete lesson in government control that the governments of the world, remember it wasn't just ours, it was almost every country, >> could do whatever they wanted. So, do I

believe it was intentional?

>> Well, I don't have to back up to whether the release of the co virus was intentional. I just don't know. Uh, but

intentional. I just don't know. Uh, but

the plans related to what would happen was clearly intentional. uh you know your viewers can look at uh and listeners can look at uh at operation I

mean at at uh 2011 event 2011 online I don't know if you've ever seen it on YouTube it's a video of an event that Gates put on with the CIA with the

Chinese head of the CDC Chinese CDC with military leaders with people from CBS and they gathered together and they talked about what would happen in the event that there was a pandemic and they

named the pandemic and they did uh tabletop exercises about the pandemic.

Any discussion about health? None. All

of it was discussion about controlling the information. Why is this

the information. Why is this interesting? Because it was in 2019, my

interesting? Because it was in 2019, my friend, before CO came out, right? So

late in 2019, these these tabletop operations had already been going on for years. So I look at and I I really

years. So I look at and I I really encourage people to consider this approach which is forget about who did it. Forget about twirling mustaches and

it. Forget about twirling mustaches and villains. Forget about Bill Gates and

villains. Forget about Bill Gates and Fouchy and all of that. Just look at what actually happened. If we just look at what actually happened, uh you have to assume somebody wanted that outcome.

Somebody somewhere might be one person.

It might be groups. It might be unaligned people who share incentives.

I'll give you a fast example. COVID

comes, uh, people who used to make perfume sprayers now make hand sanitizers. People who used to make

sanitizers. People who used to make bumper stickers now make stickers that say stand six feet apart. In other

words, every an incentive comes and it doesn't require that those people all sat in a conspiratorial room at some hotel in uh, you know, in Germany and rub their hands together and make the

plan. um human nature particularly when

plan. um human nature particularly when you centralize big governments this is the direction it moves in which is it moves in the direction of tyranny

when I was here before a few years ago I made this point that's only been cemented in the interim which is that if you look at world history as a big pie chart all of it is tyranny and it's just

a tiny little sliver of the lives we've been blessed to to live up until 2020 meaning a tiny any sliver of freedom, Western Europe, the United States, and

all the rest is tyranny, which means tyranny is the natural order for human beings. That's the way it normally is

beings. That's the way it normally is run.

>> You could easily argue that with history right?

>> Of course. And uh you know what you see is look any suffering that I've done in the last few years personally has been because of my resistance to let go of

the illusions and delusions that I grew up with. You know the courts will be

up with. You know the courts will be fair. Uh the government will respect our

fair. Uh the government will respect our freedom no matter what. The constitution

will be followed no matter what. Uh it's

hard to to let go of that stuff.

>> It's not easy. And and uh I still have resistance to it. That's why I look at Gladadio, which I just told you about, and I say, "Holy [ __ ] can you believe this?" Well, we have to be able to

this?" Well, we have to be able to believe all of it.

Yeah. It's just so there's so many layers to it. It's very difficult for regular people.

>> What is a regular person? Regular person

is a person who has a job and interest and family and hasn't spent an inordinate amount of time delving into conspiracies and being rational about it

and being objective and saying, "I know that every fiber of my being rejects this as foolishness and tinfoil hat [ __ ] but is this real?" And then the more you find out, oh my god, that

is real. And the more you find out

is real. And the more you find out Operation Northwoods, holy [ __ ] that's real. The more the more you find out

real. The more the more you find out about these things, MK Ultra, you go, "What? Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

"What? Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Wait a minute. Nobody got arrested for any of this. Nobody went to jail. Nobody

got prosecuted. Nobody got tried. The

more you dig into the JFK assassination, the more you dig into everything. And it

it it it is a bottomless pit that if you haven't breached the surface of it, you have no idea how much depth there is to it. And that's the normal person. Most

it. And that's the normal person. Most

people, >> you know, most people took the shot because they wanted to keep their job or they took the shot because they have to travel to see relatives or they had to visit loved ones in the hospital or whatever the whatever the reason was.

They did what they had to do and you know, they know people that got [ __ ] up because of the shot. Maybe they got [ __ ] up because of the shot and they feel helpless and they don't know what to do. But I don't think they understand

to do. But I don't think they understand the depths of first of all, not just the COVID pandemic, but what happened during the

AIDS pandemic with the exact same power structure. And when you find that out, I

structure. And when you find that out, I mean, we we went over Peter Dooberg's work the other day and >> Oh, I'm so glad.

>> Yeah. And we showed the article in Spin magazine that u was talking about these various doctors that stepped back stepped out against the use of ACT and

like what was going on and how how evil it was. And the only reason why they

it was. And the only reason why they were doing it was because these are drugs that had already been approved and they could just push them through quickly and they were very profitable.

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I think there's a darker reason. And the

darker reason for overdosing on act is that it provides exactly the symptoms of AIDS that you're going to die from.

Yeah. And so it it keeps the you know the great documentary that's on YouTube is called House of Numbers about this.

It keeps the numbers going.

>> You can turn the numbers up or down just by changing the definition of what is AIDS. Fauci had his definition, but in

AIDS. Fauci had his definition, but in that documentary is Fouchy and Redfield.

They're all young. It's one of their first rounds in this world. And they're

making the case that uh that uh HIV is the absolute cause of AIDS, even though literally the guy who got the Nobel Prize for concluding that feels that you can have AIDS without HIV and you could

have HIV without AIDS. I've raised 10 kids. I have two teenage kids. one of my

kids. I have two teenage kids. one of my older boys uh boys but 31 years old now uh tested positive for HIV. Uh right

away come the drugs uh and uh and he and I met about it. We watched this documentary called House of Numbers and uh he decided no medication. He's really

healthy. He's in the sun a lot. He's

having a calm and and wonderful life. He

lives in Fiji, so he's out in in the tropics a lot. And when he took the medication for 3 weeks, he felt really shitty. wasn't act. It's the newer

shitty. wasn't act. It's the newer cocktail. But he felt really shitty when

cocktail. But he felt really shitty when he stopped.

>> Uh he feels great and we'll see how things go. But the idea that they were

things go. But the idea that they were trying to push was if you test positive for HIV, they they say it point blank.

You will die from this disease and there's nothing that can stop it except these drugs. And that turns out not to

these drugs. And that turns out not to be true.

>> Well, there's a lot of things they said that turned out not to not to be true.

They thought that your children would get it, people in the household would get it, that it was spread, it could be spread aerosol.

>> You know, there was a the the Dooberg thing is fascinating because this all took place in the time with no internet, no push back, no conspiracy theorists

online to connect the dots. And his

assertion was, first of all, there was the inconvenient fact that the vast majority of the people that got air quotes AIDS all were hardcore drug

users. There were these parters in the

users. There were these parters in the gay community. And anybody that knows

gay community. And anybody that knows anything about drug use knows that if you're a hardcore drug user and you're staying up all night, you're partying, guess what? You're going to crush your

guess what? You're going to crush your immune system.

>> And you know, they were taking antibiotics, which were at the parties in big bowls.

>> Antibiotics.

>> Yeah. because they had all this was a tremendous amount of sex. It was almost a statement of freedom uh in the gay rights movement and the uh people had all kinds of infections. So they were scooping up antibiotics and taking

antibiotics and of course AIDS is real.

They destroyed their immune system. No

question about it. And poppers and and Doober >> poppers is the big one right in nitrate.

Well, poppers certainly causes the specific uh respiratory issue that was associated with AIDS and they kept changing, you know, the uh the NIH and CDC kept changing the definition along

the way. And there's a great line in uh

the way. And there's a great line in uh in the real Anthony Fouchy, a book I know you read where Bobby says, "If you get diagnosed with AIDS in Africa, the fastest way to get cured is go to New

York. You won't be diagnosed with AIDS."

York. You won't be diagnosed with AIDS."

Totally different diagnostic method. In

Africa, it's mostly women. In the United States, it's mostly men. And the

diagnostic method in Africa includes asking you on a questionnaire whether you've engaged in gay sex. What does

that have to do with a with an AIDS test? I took an AIDS test when I was

test? I took an AIDS test when I was younger and thought, well, this is a test like a pregnancy test, right? You

you test positive, that means you're positive. Negative means negative. That

positive. Negative means negative. That

wasn't the tr it was a highly interpretive test. And by the way, this

interpretive test. And by the way, this documentary I've mentioned a couple of times called House of Numbers, for uh for its humorous value, I have to also add that anybody who looks for it on

YouTube, be sure you have the one that is the correct one because the adversaries have put up another documentary and titled it House of Numbers.

>> They did the same thing with Turtles all the way down.

>> Yeah, it's very clever. And then that one debunks the, you know, that one debunks the other one. So it's it's it's House of Numbers by a great filmmaker named Brent Lang. L U E N G. And it's

just a totally enjoyable enjoyable is not the right word, but informative uh documentary on another one of these sacred cows that we are not allowed to question.

>> Well, the Dooesburg one was the first time that I ever had someone on as a podcast guest where I got massive push back. People like, there's blood on your

back. People like, there's blood on your hands. Like, first of all, who's dying

hands. Like, first of all, who's dying of AIDS in 2015, right? Or whatever year it was that I had him on. But it his assertion was that HIV was a weak

disease that was a weak virus that was only showing up in the systems of people that were already compromised. It was

not the cause of it. It was a symptom of a compromised immune system.

>> Very poor people in Africa, uh people with no effective sewage, etc. And it was another of many many movements that has the side effect of uh of reducing

population reducing meaning it use condoms don't have sex is scary sex is death a lot of these things focus on and have the ultimate uh result of

population reduction which I'm going to come back to but I want to say something about Dooberg because it's so funny in uh in House of Numbers when he's interviewed he says uh my peers

are prostitutes. And he says, "I am a

are prostitutes. And he says, "I am a prostitute as well to some degree." He's

talking about trying to get funding. He

says, "But they go all the way." Just a funny line. He's he's a a lovely man.

funny line. He's he's a a lovely man.

You know, he's doing fine now. I talked

to somebody recently takes care of him.

His son takes care of him. I was

reaching out to see if he needed anything because I would take care of this guy for the rest of his life. He

was a real hero. And they buried him in the b I mean, I don't mean buried him dead. I mean, they stuck him in the

dead. I mean, they stuck him in the basement at Berkeley. Uh, and he never got another grant, needless to say, uh, for in all those years, even though he was a, you know, headed for a Nobel Prize. He was a great thinker. So, I

Prize. He was a great thinker. So, I

didn't I didn't never see the show you did it. You did it in 2015.

did it. You did it in 2015.

>> Uh, it was probably even earlier than that. What year was that, Jamie? Uh, it

that. What year was that, Jamie? Uh, it

might have been 13 or 14, I don't remember, but I remember massive push back. Like people were very upset. Well,

back. Like people were very upset. Well,

you you got uh you got balls, but I guess you knew that from some other shows because doing it at that time uh you know, the insult that goes with that one is AIDS denier. No, no, no. We're

we're see AIDS. We're not talking about that. We're talking about whether HIV is

that. We're talking about whether HIV is always the cause of AIDS.

>> But there was so many facts that people were ignoring. This is what was like for

were ignoring. This is what was like for me when I see I see a dilemma. I see a situation and I see inconvenient facts that people are

ignoring. One of them being that ACT

ignoring. One of them being that ACT kills people and that it was a chemotherapy medication that they had to stop using because it was killing people quicker than the cancer was killing

people. And that chemotherapy is always

people. And that chemotherapy is always a very shortterm use. It's for

short-term use. It's like when you have cancer, you take chemotherapy, it kills the cancer. it and it almost kills you

the cancer. it and it almost kills you and then you recover from it and hopefully the cancer is gone. This was

the only chemotherapy that you were being told to stay on >> for life.

>> That that had never been. And so it was one act killed people for sure. They

were using act for AIDS. people were

dying from, you know, AIDS or ACT, whatever. They were dying more

whatever. They were dying more >> and they stopped using it and people stopped dying of AIDS because that's kind of how it went because they they'll try to tell you that, oh no, it's the new medications

have stopped the spread of HIV. But why

did it never make its way to the heterosexual community if it's really a sexually transmitted disease that's so, you know, unbelievably contagious that it just spread through the gay community

like wildfire? Why? There's a lot of

like wildfire? Why? There's a lot of people that had gay sex and straight sex. Well, how come it never really had

sex. Well, how come it never really had any meaningful transition to the heterosexual community? There's a lot of

heterosexual community? There's a lot of like weird [ __ ] Why do people that were totally asymptomatic like Arth Arthur Ash gets on ACT and he's dead in 6 months? Like what what

months? Like what what is it possible that ACT killed those people and that Peter Doober is right?

>> Like this this was my thought and I'm like let me hear this guy out. let me

talk to him with a skeptical but objective mindset and see where this guy's at. And then you find out he's a

guy's at. And then you find out he's a tenure professor at University of California Berkeley done groundbreaking research on cancer. He's

a brilliant guy. And everything he's saying totally completely made sense.

Yes. And I was like, this is so strange.

And then I realized, oh, this all happened before the internet. This all

happened before he could sit on a podcast and talk about it. This all

happened before people could tweet about it. This is this all happened before

it. This is this all happened before someone could make a documentary and release it on YouTube.

>> Yeah, it's very true. By the way, another Dooberg story is that there's a couple that uh adopted a baby in Romania. They're covered in this

Romania. They're covered in this documentary House of Numbers. And they

adopt the baby. It's tested for AIDS in Romania. Tested for HIV and uh negative

Romania. Tested for HIV and uh negative uh gets to America. They do another test. Uh-oh. The baby is HIV positive.

test. Uh-oh. The baby is HIV positive.

So uh >> are these PCR tests?

>> Yeah, they're PCR tests. And this is what Krie Mullis was very adamant about that this is not the use of the proper use of PCR >> and that Fouchy did not know what he was doing when he was doing that. We we

played that video as well.

>> Yeah, there's great Kelly Carrie Muller stuff. I wish he was alive. He he died

stuff. I wish he was alive. He he died right before CO unfortunately. But

anyway, so they they adopt this kid and the kid is HIV positive little girl and uh the doctors say, "Well, oh baby, you you got to put this kid on ACT in a hurry." So they put the kid on ACT. Now

hurry." So they put the kid on ACT. Now

you see uh videos, home movies where the kid can't stand up, is falling, loses weight, and when they go to the doctors, they say, "Um, well, it's AIDS. You

know, this is we're doing our best.

She's actually doing pretty well. The

medic medicine, you know, is keeping her alive, so just keep going." So they keep going. She gets worse and worse and

going. She gets worse and worse and worse. And eventually they write a

worse. And eventually they write a letter to a guy they've heard about named Peter Dooberg. And to his credit, man, he's he was brave. He writes back, you know, in writing in a way most

people wouldn't take her off that medication immediately. So they do. They

medication immediately. So they do. They

take her off the medication. The doctors

say she's going to be dead by the time she's five. Uh then they say, you know,

she's five. Uh then they say, you know, maybe she'll live to be seven. Then they

say if she lives to be 11, it'll be a miracle. In the meantime, she's getting

miracle. In the meantime, she's getting better and better and better. In the

movie, cut to 23 years old, pregnant, having her own daughter.

>> Jesus Christ.

>> Yeah. And uh there's other people in the movie. like they had to know this.

movie. like they had to know this.

>> Oh, but you know this is true uh with with co as well. You you can be generous and and say people didn't know things

early on, but it is not possible to now look back for example at CO and the COVID vaccine uh and say they don't know it now. Right? In other words, at this

it now. Right? In other words, at this point, it's not possible for Albert Borla uh to, you know, to say, "Oh, we had no idea about that myocarditis that

would cause sudden death in, you know, kids, athletic boys go to sleep at night and they're found dead in their bed in the morning." Not not one, not two, but

the morning." Not not one, not two, but many. And right in the beginning of

many. And right in the beginning of COVID, uh, two different states with two different coroners did two different reports that both said these kids who were found in their bed dead in the

morning, uh, 16 years old, both of them, two days apart, um, uh, died from vaccine induced myocarditis. Now,

clearly that should have been the biggest news story in the world.

>> Imagine if >> we were all taking it, right?

>> Co happened before the internet.

>> Yeah. Well, things did happen before the internet, >> but imagine if that one happened, you know.

>> Yeah. Well, you know, in a way, Joe, it's you you could you could look at swine flu in uh in 1976 and also again in 2009, which were before the the internet, and they actually did worse in

a way. What the internet did it is

a way. What the internet did it is favorably allowed engagements like we're having today and all the stuff you've done but it also allowed governments to have a control mechanism right I was

looking for my iPhone you know right into our iPhones and so what was happening is they were getting are not were getting better and better and better at uh at controlling human

perception and I think it's it's true that the internet is a great gift uh on the one hand but it's also look there's no way they're going to leave the

internet untouched and not also utilize it in this basically information war that's going on. So the internet has helped show some people the truth, but

it's also been used to stop a lot of other people from seeing the truth.

>> I'm sure. But at least there's a there's an avenue where people can learn the truth that didn't exist before. But the

Dooesburg thing, the only way I found out about it was an article in Spin magazine and I had some conspiratorally minded pthead friends. They're like,

"Dudes, AIDS isn't real." I was like, "What the [ __ ] are you talking about? Of

course AIDS is real." And then I started reading books and I was like, "Wait a minute. This can't be real. This can't

minute. This can't be real. This can't

be true."

>> And having him on was just absolutely fascinating. But the blowback from all

fascinating. But the blowback from all the people that were absolutely convinced that there's no way these all of these other doctors could be in agreement and be incorrect. And that

that gave me pause because I was like, "Yeah, that makes sense. Why would all these doctors be in agreement and be incorrect about this? Why would they all be promoting this false narrative?" I

had no concept of how the NIH and how Fouchy and how how they ran things and how if you deviated from the narrative

whatsoever, you got no grants, you got no funding, >> you lose your license.

>> You lose your license. You and obviously we saw in 2020 they were kicked people kicked off Twitter. Yeah. like esteemed

scientists, you know, professors, people that taught at major universities removed from the conversation because they were speaking what Al Gore would call an inconvenient truth.

>> Yeah.

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>> And uh there's a a documentary right now called, by the way, an inconvenient study. Uh see that as quick as you can.

study. Uh see that as quick as you can.

It's free on on uh YouTube because some sponsors just paid for it. Um but that is about a uh a study done by the Ford Medical Center, Henry Ford Medical

Center uh comparing vaccinated kids to unvaccinated kids. It's a very very

unvaccinated kids. It's a very very interesting documentary and the and where the after the study is done uh they decide not to release it and >> yeah I read about that.

>> Yeah, it's really good. There's I don't want to spoil anything. Uh uh the uh but just tell you some good stuff is you know hidden camera interview with the guy who says I just can't. I just can't.

My career would be over. I'm just not going to do it. I'm not going to do it.

Well, people try to persuade him to release the study that would yes it would help a lot of people. I agree it would help a lot of people and I agree it's important but I can't. I've had

enough. I can't. I can't. And he

doesn't. Uh and it's uh so this you know this kind of thing. You got the stomach for another one? I'll give you a big one. So, because you mentioned AIDS,

one. So, because you mentioned AIDS, AIDS is like gravity. You're not allowed to question it. It's, you know, it's >> it's a holocaust.

>> Yeah. Holocaust, gravity, moon landing.

Uh Hitler, by the way, killed, was he killed by the Russians?

>> Well, turns out the skull fragment belonged to a woman in her 30s. Uh isn't

it a a narrative? Meaning, this is the only guy who didn't have an escape plan.

Everybody else went to Argentina. They

even took whole submarines all the way to Argentina on two-month trips that were found weeks after the war. They

were still finding submarines in Argentina. But this one guy, even though

Argentina. But this one guy, even though there's a pilot who testified that he flew him out of Germany, flew him out of Berlin. Why would anybody lie about

Berlin. Why would anybody lie about that? Well, because the Russians are

that? Well, because the Russians are coming into Berlin and you've hardly conquered anything if the Osama bin Laden hasn't been caught if Hitler is is free and is somewhere in the world. Um,

but that narrative is really interesting for people to dig into. Get get on Grock or get on ChatGpt, you know. Quick quick

note on chat GPT and Grock. The first

answer you get will usually be the uh orthodox answer, the approved answer.

You have to keep asking. You have to say look again. You have to push the thing

look again. You have to push the thing and and then you'll get remarkable information that way. You still have to check it all because the thing has delusions, you know, as we know. But my

point is that all these things that are that we're not allowed to question because they are just facts like gravity. Well, a big one is

gravity. Well, a big one is uh vaccines cannot be linked to autism.

We all know that. That's like we know it, just like we know gravity, just like we know the earth rotates around the the sun. How do we know it? Now, suddenly

sun. How do we know it? Now, suddenly

when you say who debunked it and how was it debunked? All of a sudden, nobody can

it debunked? All of a sudden, nobody can answer your question. Not a single pediatrician you'll ever meet can answer that question. So, I'm going to answer

that question. So, I'm going to answer it today. How do we know who debunked

it today. How do we know who debunked it? It was debunked by the Institute of

it? It was debunked by the Institute of Medicine and uh uh how they debunked it I'll talk about in a minute because it's funny but uh what is the Institute of Medicine? Well, everybody knows that's a

Medicine? Well, everybody knows that's a big important revered organization all about science part of the Nationalmies of Science Government organization.

Guess what? Private organization, not a government organization. the Institute

government organization. the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences, both completely private organizations, sometimes funded by government and sometimes funded by

pharma. And so they they debunked it and

pharma. And so they they debunked it and and the way they debunked it is by having the same way they used for Agent Orange. So why why I want to talk about

Orange. So why why I want to talk about Agent Orange for a second is a long answer. Okay.

answer. Okay.

>> Sure.

>> Okay. If I can even remember the question. Uh but but here's the the

question. Uh but but here's the the Agent Orange piece. It's it's good for people to hear because they're not emotional about it, right? They're

emotional about AIDS. They're very

emotional about vaccines and COVID and what have you, but Agent Orange people have pretty much forgotten about. What

happens is Agent Orange is uh used to defoliate forests and jungles in Vietnam. But it's actually a chemical

Vietnam. But it's actually a chemical weapon. The US government denies that

weapon. The US government denies that it's a chemical weapon, but they know that they tested it. It has dioxin in it and they tested it on 40 unlucky monkeys. Now these monkeys in these

monkeys. Now these monkeys in these medical tests, they are always unlucky.

They very rarely come out feeling fine.

Of these 40, 37 died within a week. So

the US government knew they had something here that was quite toxic. But

they spray it all over Vietnam. And our

troops um get very very sick. They have

children with uh deformities. They come

and they complain to the US government.

And the US government takes that monkey study, stamps it top secret and hides it all the way till 200 something. Uh when

they go to the Institute of Medicine and they say uh study this thing. So the

Institute of Medicine, I'm just going to look at my notes because I want to get it right. The Institute of Medicine does

it right. The Institute of Medicine does a study and the conclusion of their 2001 study, very powerful conclusion, more studies needed. That's what they

studies needed. That's what they conclude for all these people who are waiting for compensation and waiting to have the answers. To be sure with that [ __ ] answer, more studies needed.

They do another study in 2006 and then one in 2008 and one in 2010 and one in 2012 and one in 2014 and they all come up with the same conclusion. More

studies needed. And this is one of the methods used by the by the US government to uh to drag things out to where the people who are making the complaint

about Gulf War syndrome also debunked by the Institute of Medicine Ogent Orange have died or given up. And there's a bunch of examples of this. And so it

took the Institute of Medicine 22 years to debunk this thing. And finally, the very famous Admiral Zumwalt did an independent study and he goes and

testifies before Congress and I'm going to read it. He says, "Government and industry officials intentionally manipulated or withheld compelling information about the adverse health

effects from Agent Orange." And why was his testimony so important? Because he

is the person who ordered the use of Agent Orange and because his own son died from it.

>> Jesus. So you look at that and then you say if people listening to me and you now can embrace the idea that hey maybe the government does that sometimes. If you

can just take that on board, then maybe you can recognize that when the Institute of Medicine does the same thing with the same methods for the same money paid by the same people with the

same experts for the same reasons, then maybe you can say, "What about the other stuff they did like uh vaccines and autism, which is really vaccines and

brain damage, which we know vaccines cause. It's on every uh every package

cause. It's on every uh every package insert for many many vaccines, meaning they already acknowledge brain damage.

The issue is autism, which is a clever definition, very complicated uh 12,000 words on the Wikipedia article on autism just to define it and they fail. 400

citations and they end by saying, "Ah, we can't get it." Uh so it's it's one of these things that you can't hit with an arrow because the definition is so obtuse. But anyway, Institute of

obtuse. But anyway, Institute of Medicine, they did the same thing for cancer from uh baby powder, which is a great story I want to tell you. Gulf War

syndrome, silicone implants, anthrax vaccines, burn pits, and SIDS. All

debunked. Now, what do they have in common? The government didn't like it.

common? The government didn't like it.

They were going to have to pay compensation. I mean,

compensation. I mean, some of this is funny. SIDS. How do they debunk SIDS? SIDS is the term, the

debunk SIDS? SIDS is the term, the category that you assign when a baby's death cannot be determined what it is. You've

done an autopsy, you've done an investigation, you've dragged the poor parents to the police station, you've done all that stuff, and you cannot decide how this baby died. So, the

Institute of Medicine could look at SIDS, which is a category of death. You

can't be diagnosed with it. You can't

die from it. It's a category. and they

said, "We don't know what causes SIDS, but we sure know what doesn't cause it."

Multiple vaccines that we're sure of.

And this is the the style of [ __ ] that goes on with >> there's a correlation in terms of multiple vaccines and the amount of time period afterwards where a baby dies of sudden infant death syndrome.

>> Oh, I have no doubt that sudden infant death syndrome is often caused by multiple vaccines. I have no doubt about

multiple vaccines. I have no doubt about it. and the you know that's for another

it. and the you know that's for another show and a lot of it this book I wrote a lot of it's in here like they really you know I really get into explaining that

that fact but the broader point is you don't have to prove SIDS and you don't have to say co vaccines are a problem or uh or vaccines might cause

you know the mercury and vaccines uh or other vaccines might cause brain damage because once you break the system that they use for this debunking once you get into understanding how this works. Can I

tell you baby powder real quick?

>> Yeah, I know about baby powder.

>> Okay, go ahead.

>> Johnson and Johnson baby powder. They go

to the FDA and they say, "We have to tell you something we're a little concerned about. We have found some

concerned about. We have found some cancer-causing asbestous in our baby powder and we're acknowledging it and we want to know what to do." And the FDA says, "Well, we're going to study how

much cancer-causing asbestous is okay in baby powder." So, they study that for 44

baby powder." So, they study that for 44 years. And they they never consider

years. And they they never consider maybe zero. I mean, I had babies. I'd

maybe zero. I mean, I had babies. I'd

like zero cancer-causing asbestous in the baby powder. They never thought about zero. But they study it for 44

about zero. But they study it for 44 years because time flies when you're when you're, you know, covering up something. And the FDA finally ruled on

something. And the FDA finally ruled on it in the year of 2024, about 10 months ago, after 52 years.

They knew it for 52 I want to say effing, but I won't swear. 52 years. And

uh uh Johnson and Johnson, by the way, still claims our baby powder doesn't cause cancer, which is the worst advertising slogan in the history of the world.

>> So the the problem was in the places where they're mining talc, the talc and asbestous are often together.

That's that was the problem. Correct.

>> Yeah. But they were able to solve the problem now because there's still Johnson and Johnson baby powder. It's

just not made with talc. And they knew this, you know, 52 years ago. And

companies like Johnson and Johnson, >> can I stop you? What does the baby powder have in it now? It doesn't

>> I think it's cornstarch and and might be other stuff. Uh uh I don't know. But you

other stuff. Uh uh I don't know. But you

know, Gulf War syndrome done the same way.

>> That was depleted uranium. Correct.

>> Uh Gulf War syndrome. Yes.

>> It could be a few things. Uh there was also uh a an ingredient in a vaccine given uh called squaline which is in childhood vaccines today. It comes from

sharks liver which is what you ought to be wanting to inject into into babies whenever you can. And uh you know the in a minute I'm I'm going to get into something really funny but but I want to

say that when a child dies and vaccines are even a suspect when it's possible the uh powers that be say look millions of vaccines were given

and those people are all okay as if they did some you know house-to-house survey which of course they didn't do but that's not how we handle air crashes. We

don't say, "Oh, oh, millions of passengers are fine. Don't worry about those 400 who are who are dead in that plane crash." What do we do? We get the

plane crash." What do we do? We get the black boxes. We reassemble the plane. We

black boxes. We reassemble the plane. We

reconstruct what happened. And you know, they're extensively studied. If we used for plane crashes, my point is the millions don't matter. The few matter, meaning the ones who suffer, that's

where you want to be doing your research, not the millions who didn't have any problem. And imagine that we took the same approach that pharma takes when we have a you know a jetliner

crash. Uh you know pharma would say

crash. Uh you know pharma would say let's say a flight from New York to London goes down in the Atlantic 20 minutes before reaching Heathrow airport

right pharma would say uh the flight was 95% effective right or they would say hey at least you're better off we got those passengers closer to London. Uh, in

other words, they literally put death out of the equation and focus just on this um the numbers and and I don't care about the numbers. I care about the people who are harmed, the individuals who are harmed.

>> Can I stop you there?

>> Yeah.

>> But they what they generally do is they will say it saves more lives than it costs. And that what happens is on a few

costs. And that what happens is on a few very rare cases, very rare individuals, there's some sort of a reaction and those people die from that medication.

But this is normal for any kind of medication that is mass prescribed. This

is what they were used as an argument.

And they would say that far more people like COVID vaccine were helped or you know measles, mumps, and reubellia whatever it is >> we're helped by that than we're hurt.

>> Yeah. So, you know, when you if you're really going to assess a product, like no parent would let a stranger walk up to their baby on the street and inject them with something, they don't know what's in it, right? And yet, millions

of parents do that every year in America by going to Longs or to Walgreens and getting a vaccine. They don't know what's in it. And they don't know about that 23-year-old uh, you know,

pharmacist assistant who's measuring it out and giving it to you. and they don't ask questions like did your baby have an adverse reaction to this a week ago or what have you. But I want to go right to

your question which is the assessment that we would have to do for anything forget vaccines for any kind of drug is what's the likelihood of getting in the case of vaccines you have to say what's the likelihood of getting the disease

what's the likelihood of having a terrible consequence from the disease and uh and does the vaccine work and does the vaccine have any harm for anybody right >> well I just want to talk about a couple

of these tetanas vaccine um in the United States the number of people who died from tetanus in a decade is 13. 13

human beings all old. By the way, the number of people who got tetanus in a decade 154.

My point on t tetanas is that all over the world there's a map in this book. Uh

all over the world the tetanus, how do you get tetanas? First of all, it's not transmissible as you may know. Everybody

thinks you get it from a deep puncture wound with a rusty nail or what have you. Rust does not give you tetanus.

you. Rust does not give you tetanus.

It's a It is a bacteria called the tetanus bacteria and you got to find it first of all and it take an army to find it in the United States by the way. You

almost you know you you won't find a doctor who's ever had a patient with tetanus in the United States. All over

the world it is fewer than one in a million people in the United States in all of Central America and South America all 22 countries you can't find it fewer than one in a 100,000 people getting

tetanus. I'm not talking about death in

tetanus. I'm not talking about death in Russia, one death in 2022. In all of Europe, a few deaths it but in the Congo, a lot. So, this is one of those

things that you have to ask, what's the likelihood of risk? And you have to say, does it uh does it work? And does it work without uh any without any side

effects? Well, here's the reality. If I

effects? Well, here's the reality. If I

get a serious injury, uh, deep puncture wound, right, and I go to the hospital, uh, they clean it and I'm done right there. Cleaning it is the end of it. But

there. Cleaning it is the end of it. But

let's say they failed to clean it. Well,

they always offer you a tetanus vaccine anyway, right there. Even if you had one a year ago, there's never a circumstance where they don't try to get you to take a tetanis vaccine. So tetanus is the beautiful vaccine you can take at the

time of the injury. You don't have to take it prophylactically. Five

injections to little babies. Little

babies. You don't have to do that. So

each one of these vaccines, each one of these is a different product. And so

polio, by the way, as I head down the polio rabbit hole for a second, >> I want to say it is another one of these sacred cows, right? Because everybody

says you don't want polio coming back, >> but here's the reality of polio, right?

From the CDC website, >> 99% of people who get polio never have any symptoms. >> I know that's crazy.

>> The typical symptom, you had Humphre on, so you know some of that. The typical

symptom is is having a cold for a week, having sniffles. Um, number of deaths in

having sniffles. Um, number of deaths in the world, planet earth, 8 billion people. Number of deaths last year from

people. Number of deaths last year from from uh polio. You want to guess?

>> 30.

>> Zero.

>> Zero. Number of polio cases of the real terrible outcome, which is paralysis, which is the only bad outcome. Uh, 500

on the planet Earth, half of whom recovered. You can recover from it on

recovered. You can recover from it on top of everything else. So you have 99% won't have any symptoms. Of the 1% 1% of

them will have polomialitis which is the paralysis. And of the 500 I just told

paralysis. And of the 500 I just told you about 564 in 2022 97% of them were vaccine induced polomialitis

meaning they were the strain from the vaccine.

>> Yeah. That's an inconvenient truth.

>> That's an inconvenient truth. Right from

the CDC website.

>> Yeah. When you tell people that they go, "Wait a minute. What are you saying?

Yeah, the vaccine is giving people polio. And you know, Alex Jones of all

polio. And you know, Alex Jones of all people told us that on the podcast a long time ago that they had to stop giving it to children in the Congo because they were getting polio from the vaccine.

>> It's the only place they were getting polio. pulled up an AP article and we're

polio. pulled up an AP article and we're watching this AP article where it shows us oral their or oral administration of polio to these little children >> and it turns out a bunch of them got

polio from it and it's something like >> of all the cases of polio I believe it's 94% of cases are vaccine induced polio >> 97% >> 97 yeah

>> and and and by the way you know even people hearing my voice right now and yours who can go to uh you know the CDC website or who Look this up. In this

book, by the way, I I just find a random page here, but all the pages have I don't know where's the camera. All have

QR codes, right? Everything I assert in this book takes you to the original source material, so you can decide whether you don't have to trust me on anything. But on polio, people just

anything. But on polio, people just won't let it in their head. Right.

Right. And the reality of it is that uh it is very unlikely for your kid to get polio. And let's look at MS, by the way.

polio. And let's look at MS, by the way.

So, MS, you'll find a CBS story online that shows that uh they say most MS cases are in vaccinated children. Then

you dig a little deeper. What does most mean? 94%.

mean? 94%.

So, now you've got a vaccine that doesn't stop moms. I mean, would you take any other product where you say, you know, this will help you to what whatever your sickness is?

94% of the time it won't, but you might be one of that lucky 6%. The the the point is that I think I believe as a parent myself that parents have to look

at each product individually and decide how likely is it my kid is going to get this thing and what are the consequences of trying it. Like with CO it's so easy.

With the COVID vaccine, your child stands zero benefit and just might die, right? And so you you that's the easiest

right? And so you you that's the easiest equation in history. like I'm not willing to have an easier case of COVID for my 14-year-old and maybe even though I'm admitting it's very remote and I

mean very remote but maybe have the kid die or have the kid have myocarditis and uh and and and die in five years from it. Um I mean the number of athletes

it. Um I mean the number of athletes that drop dead in play during games b I'm talking about high school athletes is higher than it has ever been in the world and they say oh no it always

happened. Well, I studied that in my

happened. Well, I studied that in my last book and it didn't always happen.

It happened 26 times a year over 32 years. Do you know that during COVID and

years. Do you know that during COVID and after the vaccination 2021, 2022, and 2023, we didn't have a single month that

was 26 cases of sudden death of a young person. And so, uh, you know,

person. And so, uh, you know, >> how many were there?

>> Well, I've got 550 just in that book, Cause Unknown. And that's just looking.

Cause Unknown. And that's just looking.

They're hard to find because the you only can find them in local newspapers because the national papers wouldn't report it. And uh uh you know there are

report it. And uh uh you know there are some cases that were kind of obvious like Justin Bieber getting uh you know getting uh the paralysis on his face and

his young healthy wife uh getting a brain bleed. So there were some that

brain bleed. So there were some that weren't hidable but those people didn't come out and say oh that was related to the vaccine or I took the vaccine. I

don't know Justin by the way at all but I know people going to his concerts were required to take it. So I I don't know the answer, but what we do know is that the 500 real cases, all with citations,

550 that I put in the book Cause Unknown, that Ed Dow did, he was the he did the statistical work on it. Um, we

have a citation for every single one of them, and they're all, it's only people under 45. And you know what people under

under 45. And you know what people under 45 usually don't do? Drop dead,

right? Healthy and particularly children. Children and athletes. And so

children. Children and athletes. And so

with the COVID vaccine, mRNA vaccine, when you've got the actual, you know, original developer of the technology, Robert Malone, dead set opposed to it.

When you've got uh Luke Montany, who won the Nobel Prize for discovering HIV, dead said opposed to it, spending the last few months of his life touring around unhealthy, saying, "Do not give

this to your children." Then over here you've got these authoritative sources. And the authoritative sources

sources. And the authoritative sources tend to carry the day if people are, and I don't mean it to be too mean, but I want people to hear it. If they're lazy

because if you're a parent, vaccine is not a single product. It's not a brand.

It's a whole bunch of different things that each have different risk profiles and each have different benefits. Take

polio. There's six different polio vaccines on the market. Are they all the same? Of course not. They have diff you

same? Of course not. They have diff you got to choose, right? Or you go to the pediatrician and the pediatrician tries to give you your uh you know MMR vaccine or the flu vaccine is a better example.

Flu vaccines still had mercury in them until Bobby Kennedy and they lied and said they took it out in 2001 of all childhood vaccines. On the same page it

childhood vaccines. On the same page it says except for some flu vaccines. So

there were six flu vaccines and their defense was, "Oh, well, parents can choose if they want it with mercury or without mercury." This is like comedy.

without mercury." This is like comedy.

The pediatrician doesn't ask you whether you want it with mercury or without mercury. And what parent would say, "Oh,

mercury. And what parent would say, "Oh, I'll take give me the one with mercury.

I'll take that one." I mean mercury for God's sake.

>> I think it's important to point out about when you're talking about uh polio that it's also the widespread use of DDT.

>> Yeah. You mean causes? Oh, of course.

>> This is this is a big one. And not

polio, by the way. It might just be uh Gion Beret syndrome and other forms of paralysis. Even, sorry to interrupt, but

paralysis. Even, sorry to interrupt, but even President Roosevelt probably didn't have polio >> and yet he's the poster child for polio.

There was no polio test and he got it in adulthood, which is not normal for polio. He was paralyzed. That's true.

polio. He was paralyzed. That's true.

>> And this DDT use, uh, it didn't just give human beings polio. It was giving farm animals polio, dogs, cows, horses.

>> And they don't get it. They don't get polio. They don't get the polio that we

polio. They don't get the polio that we get. So it's not that it it it crossed

get. So it's not that it it it crossed species. That's not what happened. It's

species. That's not what happened. It's

most likely that people were getting DDT poisoned because they were spraying it everywhere back then.

>> Yeah. And by the way, also starting in the 40s using mercury everywhere. The

very earliest autism cases were were called Caner syndrome because of a doctor who discovered eight patients who all had he took care of a lot of kids and he found this new syndrome that he

was seeing about their behavior. They

had lost their ability to speak. They

had all kinds of problems and in almost every case the father was working with mercury or mercury was being used in agriculture at that time. Mercury was

like this, you know, this wonder product because it's effing effective. That's

for sure. It does [ __ ] And so it was in a lot of things. So mercury is is part of a lot of neurological injuries and it's, you know, go on chat GPT and say, should I breathe mercury fumes? No.

Should I eat it, touch it? No. No. No.

Should I inject it? Pause. Pause. Pause.

Well, in childhood vaccines, I mean, it's just ridiculous. I got a quick quick one I want to tell you. So,

>> I'm going to get a lot of [ __ ] obviously for this. And what's the main criticism

for this. And what's the main criticism you and I are both going to get? I'm not

a doctor, >> right?

>> I'm not a scientist. Uh, as I mentioned, I'm a criminologist and I speak English and I read very well. And so, in this book, I put together the information that anybody can get and put all the

citations there. But what parents often

citations there. But what parents often don't know is that this brand vaccine vaccine good disease bad. There's a

there's a roose in there. There's a

marketing ruse which is that if you don't get the vaccine, you're going to get that disease. It is absolutely impossible for your kid to get all of those diseases or be exposed to all of

those diseases. And the what Humphre

those diseases. And the what Humphre didn't talk about with you, but she knows is that all of the childhood vaccine diseases, all of them, the

survival rate for a healthy American child is 100%.

All of them.

>> Yeah, that's inconvenient, right? The

measles.

>> Well, let me do measles real quick because in uh for 22 years, we didn't have a singles single measles death in the United States for 22 years. And this

is the really this is really interesting math. I hope people will will take this

math. I hope people will will take this one on board. The death rate for vaccinated children with measles is zero. And the death rate for

zero. And the death rate for unvaccinated children of which there are 9 million in America is zero.

>> But but >> meaning the unvaccinated and the vaccinated both have the same death rate. Zero.

rate. Zero.

>> But people have died from measles.

>> Yes, people have died from measles. the

the all of these diseases, the death rates that are the scariest are old death rates, right? They're pre first of all, measles was in descent anyway up until, you know, as it headed into the

80s, it was already going from, you know, up here to down here on the graph.

>> Why is that?

>> Uh, indoor plumbing, uh, better nutrition, the same thing that, uh, helped with almost every disease here. Texas

>> Texas announces second death, >> but this is 2024. And what I said was in the 22 years before that there had not been a death.

>> So what's causing these kids to die?

>> Well, it's I don't know if you've had Pierre Cory on or other people and I'm not this would be a medical question about whether these kids actually died of measles or died of poor medical care.

Uh >> died with measles.

>> Yeah. Died with measles, etc. >> Have other co-orbidities.

>> Well, they had bad treatment. It's a

question for like somebody like Pierre Corey. I'm going to back away from the

Corey. I'm going to back away from the question. And by the way, let's own it.

question. And by the way, let's own it.

say, oh, they died of measles. Let's if

that's if that's true that in 24 years, two kids died of measles. Do you know what the death rate is for kids uh from uh from tetanus, for example? The risk

is that one in every 154 million Americans, children will die from tetanus. And if you want to make those

tetanus. And if you want to make those odds better with a vaccine, more power to you. But one in 154 million is pretty

to you. But one in 154 million is pretty damn good odds. Again, very important what you said that it it can be taken the vaccine can be taken once you have contracted tetanus.

>> Well, no, once you've got the injury, you don't have to wait if you've got the injury. But you know this the there's a

injury. But you know this the there's a ruse here which is that deep puncture wounds uh does not mean tetanas.

>> Right.

>> Right. You you you got to search for it.

And as you'll see in this book, the chart that shows the prevalence of tetanus in the world is an interesting one. But but I want to just quickly talk

one. But but I want to just quickly talk about this because I'm I'm ready for the [ __ ] that I'm not a doctor and I shouldn't be saying any of this. My view

is not only should I be saying it, but I should be doing exactly what I've done for my whole career, which is investigating matters and telling the truth. And in the the I'm not even, by

truth. And in the the I'm not even, by the way, an antivaxer. Uh I think there's there's one vaccine I think is a great product, by the way, the BCG vaccine, which is for tuberculosis. It

is used in almost every country on Earth. It's a hundred years old and it

Earth. It's a hundred years old and it has other health benefits. It helps with other respiratory problems and it helps with uh with bladder cancer. It has all kinds of benefits. Guess what country it's not used in?

>> The United States of America.

>> That's a good guess, Joe. The United

States of America. And why? Because um

the >> Can I guess?

>> Yeah, please.

>> Would the patents run out?

>> It may be another reason, by the way.

You might be on something. No, they

would say um well, there isn't that much tuberculosis, but there's 9,000 cases a year uh >> versus tetanus >> versus tetanus with with you know uh 13 cases every 10 years.

>> I don't think most people know that tetanus is a bacteria.

>> Yeah, it it's not transmissible. And uh

and many vaccines don't stop transmission anyway. By the way, I'm not

transmission anyway. By the way, I'm not saying they all don't work. I'm just

saying you have to make a decision. Like

imagine this, some parents don't want their kids to play football because they might have a head injury, right? But if

the government mandated that you play football, we'd all be pretty pissed off.

Parents decide whether their kids can, you know, take the bike out after after sundown, whether they can sleep over at somebody's house. They make all these

somebody's house. They make all these decisions about safety, but they give over this vaccine decision as if it's not their business. And you know, something that Bobby Kennedy is pushing

for and I think will accomplish is called joint decisionmaking. And that is that the parent and the pediatrician will decide together on whether or not

vaccines, when to give them, how many, which type, etc. Guess who opposes that?

The pediatricians, >> right? They don't.

>> right? They don't.

>> Is that because of financial incentives?

>> Holy [ __ ] Yes. When I was a kid, I went to the pediatrician. Well, first of all, I went to the doctor once. I I broke my foot. Um, if you didn't have vaccines

foot. Um, if you didn't have vaccines and Bobby's wellness checks and little Jaime's wellness checks that are necessary that, you know, they bring you in to get the vaccines, uh, pediatricians would have to have second

jobs because most kids, particularly when they're younger and they're not yet affected by all the environmental toxins, most kids are are pretty healthy. Obviously, that's less true

healthy. Obviously, that's less true today than it was when when I was a kid.

But I want I want to share something that I'm itching to get out because most people just don't know much about vaccines and there's information that's all available through CDC and FDA etc. that that I want to share if you give me

permission. Sure.

permission. Sure.

>> Okay. So how does it start? Vaccine it

means you know it started from the word cow vodka. It meant cow. So they would

cow vodka. It meant cow. So they would take pus. Cowpus.

take pus. Cowpus.

You don't want to waste that stuff. And

they would rub that into wounds on people. And then they decided, oh, maybe

people. And then they decided, oh, maybe we can put horse pus and cow pus from an infected horse's hoof. We'll rub that in. And they tried that. And for a long

in. And they tried that. And for a long time, they were experimenting with all these things. Some oldtimey

these things. Some oldtimey uh vaccines were made by I'm going to read it so I get it right. Steeping them

for years in a mix of ox bile and glycerin and potato slices. Sounds like

a joke, right? But it's true. But

science moved on and it evolved to where vaccines included dried rabbit spinal cords, duck embryos, chicken blood, human bile because you don't want to

waste that. Um, ground up rat spleens

waste that. Um, ground up rat spleens and boiled pig skin. So that's old time vaccines before we knew anything about anything. So let's switch to the

anything. So let's switch to the modern-day vaccines cuz obviously now we're real smart and we know a lot of stuff. Well, here is what's in your

stuff. Well, here is what's in your childhood vaccines right now. gelatin

from boiled pig skin, kind of like the old one, chicken embryo protein, blood from the hearts of cow fetuses, um DNA fragments from human fetuses, oil

extracted from shark livers, I mentioned earlier, proteins from worm ovaries because you don't want to leave that out. Uh and of course DNA fragments from

out. Uh and of course DNA fragments from monkey kidneys. Now, if that doesn't

monkey kidneys. Now, if that doesn't sound like a Shakespeare play, you know that eye of Noot, toe of frog, lizard's leg, tongue of dog. When I hear that thing from McBth, I literally can't you

just picture Gates and Offet and Hotz sitting around in their witches brew putting this stuff together. I know I'm talking fast. I'm almost done. Uh the

talking fast. I'm almost done. Uh the

other modern ingredients in childhood vaccines, this is what you are giving if you trust the vaccine manufacturers.

formaldahhide. We already know that's bad. Polyorbate 80, which is linked to

bad. Polyorbate 80, which is linked to infertility. And my absolute favorite,

infertility. And my absolute favorite, potassium chloride. Why is this my

potassium chloride. Why is this my favorite? Because that is the chemical

favorite? Because that is the chemical that is injected as the third injection in lethal injections by executioners.

Now, admittedly, infants get far less of it than people who are executing, but we really want to be injecting any amount of that into human beings. sodium

borate, Triton X, that's what's in spermicides. And of course, until very

spermicides. And of course, until very recently, uh, ethyl mercury, >> and what is the reason why they have so many different ingredients?

>> So, I got it in this I got it in this book, holding up, shameless plug. I got

it in this book because, uh, it's too long for now, but they have, you can get it from chat GPT. They have, and what I would have to call a kind of insane

reason for each of these, right? I mean,

you just heard what they are. I I mean they're they're they're nuts. And people

say, "Well, I'm not a scientist. You

don't realize how very important each one of those ingredients is." Well, I do realize something. And I don't have to

realize something. And I don't have to be a scientist. I don't want mercury injected into my kids. Period. If a when I was a kid, if a if a a light fell and

broke on the floor, you had to call a hazmat team to get rid of it because it had mercury. You can't touch it, you

had mercury. You can't touch it, you can't breathe it, you can't eat it, but you can inject it into babies. It's

actually it's crazy. And and you know, vaccinologists, there's a degree of mad science here. Uh there's a degree of

science here. Uh there's a degree of craziness. And again, I'm still not

craziness. And again, I'm still not antiax. That's not the point. The point

antiax. That's not the point. The point

is learn which products you think matter because they're not all the same.

>> And what are they saying is the reason why they have all these different ingredients like monkey kidneys and >> well some of them are I mean it's not the one that's not funny of course is

SB40, right? Because Simeon virus 40

SB40, right? Because Simeon virus 40 most people don't know was in the first uh polio vaccine which was recalled and then it was in the second polio vaccine which was put out to replace the one

that had Simeon virus 40. It was in that and it's in the Fiser COVID vaccine >> SV40 fragments >> and if you could explain how that

happened. Well, they will claim that

happened. Well, they will claim that they were that that to grow the uh pathogen needs to be in some kind of organic material and that monkey kidneys

is a good way to do it. So, Simeon virus 40 accidentally they claim accidentally got into it. Let me tell you what they claim for mercury because it's a good story too. They say that it's a

story too. They say that it's a preservative and that they needed it from multid-dosese vials of the flu vaccine.

not legal in uh in the UK, not in Denmark, not in Sweden, not in Switzerland, but for some reason in the United States, it's okay until Bobby Kennedy took it out. I mean, that committee that Robert Malone is on, the

ASIP committee that decides on childhood vaccines. So, why is this stuff in

vaccines. So, why is this stuff in there? Well, two reasons. One is that

there? Well, two reasons. One is that once they get a vaccine approved, the last thing they want to do is come back to the FDA and start that process all over again to get a better vaccine approved

>> because it'll cost billions of dollars.

because it'll cost a lot because it now it takes a long time and it won't get passed. Right.

passed. Right.

>> Right. Right now the ASIP committee I mean it's happening right now there's a new madna vaccine and the ASIP committee I is is saying to FDA give me all the

information on this vaccine before we approve it and there is no safety no viable safety information on these vaccines. uh particularly the childhood

vaccines. uh particularly the childhood vaccines, there never was, as you learned from turtles all the way down, never a a viable study on these. And the

studies they did would be uh some of them for 5 days, some of them for 14 days, and and I'm interested in going a little longer than that when it comes to my kids, meaning to know whether they had adverse reactions. Well, they would

always quote, they'd always say that there have been numerous studies and these studies are published. And then

when RFK pushed them on this and forced them to reveal the fact that no, there there weren't any studies that showed it.

>> Yeah. And there were no they had never done a study. There are now three, but not done by the government of comparing >> vaccinated kids to unvaccinated kids for all health outcomes. If if you give a

kid a measles vaccine, it'll stop them from getting measles for many years.

That it works. But does it also have other adverse effects? Right? So uh the three studies have been done uh and many

many more problems among vaccinated kids unrelated to the disease. Therefore I'm

talking about asthma and ADHD and neurological problems and uh and and visits to the pediatrician. It's the

easiest study in the world to do because you go to a big company like Kaiser, they got the kid, they know he went in for a vaccine or didn't and they know how many visits he had to the pediatrician and so they can look very

easily at it. It's not a hard project to do. And that's what Bobby and Dell

do. And that's what Bobby and Dell Bigree both went to get done by CDC and NIH. And uh that's the meeting where

NIH. And uh that's the meeting where Fouchi said, "Oh yeah, I have that study." And he did this looking through

study." And he did this looking through a file box. Oh. Oh, I can't find it.

I'll send it to you.

>> Yeah. And then they had to sue to get it. And right before the go showing up

it. And right before the go showing up in court, they get the letter. Oh, there

is no such study.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh lying I can't say the phrase. Lying bastards.

I can say that one. Right.

>> Yeah. You can say whatever you want, >> [ __ ] >> There you go.

>> Thank you.

>> That's right.

>> Right.

>> Yeah. And not just a lying [ __ ] but a lying [ __ ] with a pardon.

It goes back to 2014.

>> Yeah. And why would it?

>> Why would you even do that? Why would

you give a doctor who saved millions of lives from the pandemic? Why would you give him a pardon?

>> That goes back to 2014.

>> It seems insane. It seems insane that you would even need something like that.

>> I'll add one more ingredient. He wasn't

charged with anything, >> right?

>> So, pardons are typically for people who are charged with something, not for people who might be. So, it's uh uh you know, by the way, >> you'll have to tell I know I'm talking fast and you'll have to tell me how

we're doing on time, but >> we're doing great.

>> Okay. Thanks. in this a lot of this stuff is dark and I'm like anybody else I'm subject to getting bummed out yeah by uh by like holy [ __ ] this stuff goes

on and and I'm getting a little better because if I accept that it's true um I stop being shocked and I stop being uh you know vulnerable to the to the impact

of it. What are you doing on that

of it. What are you doing on that subject? How do you deal with it?

subject? How do you deal with it?

>> Humor is a good answer by the way. Humor

is probably the number one. Yeah. I give

myself lots of other things to do and I think about other things, you know. I

just try not to dwell on it too much.

>> Yeah.

>> But yeah, you can get really bummed out.

You can get bummed out by the depth of the corruption and and how many people who are intelligent people who think they're doing the right thing have

become ministers of propaganda whether they realize it or not. and how easy it is to dismiss anybody who asks questions about these very questionable things.

>> Yeah, >> it's very disturbing and it it alienates a lot of people. There's a lot of people that I can't talk to about certain subjects because they'll just spout out

some propaganda and some nonsense and I have to go that's not true and it's provably not true. We I could show you in five minutes that that's not true.

You know how many people I freaked the [ __ ] out when I told them that 99% of polio is asymptomatic? And I go, I'm g show you right now. We'll just put it in Google. And then I just show it to them.

Google. And then I just show it to them.

>> Yeah.

>> Like, how crazy is that? That's crazy.

And and then you you get a little of them opening their eyes, but then they go right back into the trance. For the

most part, most people go right back into the trance because it's too difficult to admit that this entire system is insanely corrupt and it all functions by money and incentives. And

they are more than willing to not just give people bad h health outcomes, but sacrifice human lives that would not

have died because of profit. And they do that in a huge number of humans. There's a huge number of humans that will die this year

because someone has decided that telling the truth is inconvenient because it stops them from making a profit. And so

they will lie and they will prescribe things that don't need to be prescribed because there's incentives and there will be all sorts of bes besides death all sorts of horrific health outcomes

that could have been completely avoided.

and then completely ignore any study like the Henry Ford study or any of these other other studies that show that like when they study the Amish when they find out the only Amish that turned out to have autism are the ones that were

adopted.

>> Yeah. And vaccinated I actually think there is only one case like that. Yeah.

>> Uh and so the Amish have uh I don't remember the numbers but it's it's like 70,000 times less uh autism uh when you do all the math.

>> Yeah. What the hell is that? And how is that not freaking people out? Like how

many people will just bury their head in the sand and say vaccines do not cause autism. This has been debunked.

autism. This has been debunked.

>> Yeah, debunked.

>> You know, I follow Peter Hotz on Twitter and they'll just spout it out and then go about their life. They'll put their blinders on, fasten them securely to the side of their head and plow forward.

That's the majority of people because there there's a reality about human beings. Most people are cowards because

beings. Most people are cowards because they haven't had to not be a coward.

They haven't had to test themselves against something terrifying.

>> And so most people when they encounter something that's scary, they fold. Most

people, that's why we admire people that don't. That's why you see like

don't. That's why you see like professional fighters like, "Oh my god."

Like the courage that you have to have to do. That's why you look at Navy Seals

to do. That's why you look at Navy Seals that way. the courage you have to have

that way. the courage you have to have to sign up for that when >> it's it's an it's terrifying for people.

So most people when they encounter any push back, any social ostriization because you're you know you're part of that kooky group of people that wants to

question medical science. They don't

want that. They don't want to not be invited to the cocktail parties. They

don't want to get the side eye at the gym from people. They don't want that.

You know, I got to see it during the COVID even with my children because they weren't vaccinated and their ch their friends were saying, "Why aren't you vaccinated?"

vaccinated?" >> I thought you loved your kids.

>> Yeah, exactly. Well, they are vaccinated for everything else.

>> But I would, you know, my skepticism on COVID came in waves. Initially, I had zero.

>> Me, too.

>> Initially, I was I almost took it. The

UFC allocated 150 vaccines for all of their employees. I'm one of their

their employees. I'm one of their employees. I showed up. I called the

employees. I showed up. I called the doctor. I said, "Can I get it today?"

doctor. I said, "Can I get it today?"

And they were going to set it up, but then they said, "No, actually, we have to give it to you at the clinic. Can you

go there on Monday?" I said, "I can't, but I'll be back in two weeks." In that two week time, they had pulled it from the market. It was a Johnson and

the market. It was a Johnson and Johnson. And then two people that I knew

Johnson. And then two people that I knew had strokes that took the vaccine in the twoe time. And I'm like, "Whoa."

twoe time. And I'm like, "Whoa."

So then I hit the brakes. And then when they offered it again, I was like, "No, I think I'm good." And then my family got it. And then I didn't get it. And I

got it. And then I didn't get it. And I

was like, I thought everybody gets it.

>> You mean got co I mean everybody got it.

I hugged my kids. I had sex with my wife. I tried to get it. I didn't get

wife. I tried to get it. I didn't get it. I was like this. She's like, "You're

it. I was like this. She's like, "You're going to get it." I'm like, "I'm not getting nothing."

getting nothing." >> And I didn't get it. I had two days where I felt crappy. Not crappy, bad, but like when I worked out, I didn't feel strong. So what I did was I just

feel strong. So what I did was I just worked out with lighter weights. I did

like 35 lb kettle bells. And I just went through a very easy routine where I just got my blood flowing. And then I said, "Let's see what I feel like the next day." It was like I was running a

day." It was like I was running a science experiment on myself, but I was also going crazy because everybody was like locked down and you need some uh good

>> Well, this is go this is live TV, folks.

>> Yeah. Um

so then I realized, okay, well, you can contact it become and be in contact with someone who's positive and not catch it, >> right? Okay, so what is this? And then

>> right? Okay, so what is this? And then

Jamie got it and Tony got it. A bunch of our friends got it and they were fine.

And my family was fine. My kids got through it like that. That was the nutty thing. Like one of them had like a

thing. Like one of them had like a little bit of a headache and she came home from school and then she tested positive and she was she was sick for a day, maybe two days with no medication,

like nothing. And then the other one had

like nothing. And then the other one had it for maybe four days. She wasn't

feeling so good. And my wife got it a little worse. She got it she got it for

little worse. She got it she got it for about a week. She didn't feel good for about a week, but it was never scary. It

was always like, "God, I feel so bad. Is

there anything I can get you? Do you

want this? Do you want that?"

>> Um, but one of the things that we did was IV vitamins. Not for the kids, >> but uh certainly for me when I got it, and I tell that to everybody when you get sick. Yeah.

get sick. Yeah.

>> If you get sick, get IV, highdose vitamin C, get zinc, get vitamin B.

Like, you will feel so much better. And

if you can tolerate it, get NAD. I know

a lot of people like NAD bugs them. It

freaks them out. It it doesn't >> get in the sun.

>> Get in the sun. Yeah, that's true, too.

>> Which they told us to stay out of the sun for all of >> co. If you have access to red light

>> co. If you have access to red light therapy, that's great as well.

>> Well, I think you're a conspiracy theorist.

>> Well, I clearly became one. But I mean, the social the ostracizing of people that have different perspectives was a real thing and I felt it. And I didn't

just feel it from people that I knew, which I did. I felt it from [ __ ] CNN, >> you know? I felt it from the White House.

>> Yeah, I saw it.

>> And I I felt it through but it was it was kind of cool because it was lies. It

was like, "Oh, you changed the color of my face. This is You think you're going

my face. This is You think you're going to get away with this?" Like, how stupid are you that you don't think people are going to notice? There's a giant difference between my Instagram video where I'm in my backyard just talking normal and and then you make me look

jaundist.

>> Yeah. there. And there was that also the Rolling Stone thing where they showed the people that were waiting in line uh at the emergency room because so many people were having horse dewormer. Yeah.

With gunshot wounds. They were waiting in line. A long line outside. [ __ ]

in line. A long line outside. [ __ ] rolling stone.

>> I know.

>> And they were saying people were getting overdose of horse dewormer, which by the way, no one got an overdose of horse dewormer.

>> Yeah.

>> Which by the way, no one's taking you can get ivormectin online, you [ __ ] idiots. And you back then you could get

idiots. And you back then you could get it in a a pharmacy until they shut that down. Like why would you shut down the

down. Like why would you shut down the ability to get a very useful medication?

Why would you do that? Like how do you know why this person is getting ivormectin? What if they have [ __ ]

ivormectin? What if they have [ __ ] malaria? What if they have, you know,

malaria? What if they have, you know, yellow fever or something where they're using ivormectin where, by the way, got a Nobel Prize?

>> Yeah. They had a very good reason for shutting it down, which is that if there is a medication that is already approved for any purpose, then you cannot get an emergency use authorization. Exactly.

And the emergency use authorization was everything. You know, that answer you

everything. You know, that answer you just gave me to my question, which was how do you how do you do it? Uh because

you're hearing uh you know, as as much as I am and more in just in this room from people. And uh that is the very

from people. And uh that is the very reason I wrote this book because I wrote it to be able to hand and to let people who whose eyes are more open to things

hand this to their sister-in-law or brother-in-law or boss or friend or neighbor who's questioning everything >> because this is designed to carry you through Agent Orange. Nobody doubts it

because it's now established. carry you

through baby powder now established and show you each one of these things and then talk about uh vaccines and then talk about other products and then talk about the other examples in order to

inspire now skepticism. Now can it work for everybody? Of course not. But it I

for everybody? Of course not. But it I mean for it to be a helpful persuasive strategy because I've been in the you know like you've been in these conversations which I now just avoid.

Right? There's a particular thing people say uh that used to piss me off. I let

it roll off me now, but it would be that's not what I heard.

>> Yeah.

>> As if that means something. And so what I do is is I never talk with somebody without an open laptop. Right. I'm not

going to just hear that's not what I heard. No, you open the laptop and I'll

heard. No, you open the laptop and I'll show you. Right. And and you know, so

show you. Right. And and you know, so like in this book at the beginning of it, it says something like note to the reader. It says, "Here's why the QR

reader. It says, "Here's why the QR codes are there. When you encounter something you don't think is accurate, cross it out with a big bold red pen, but right next to it, what is accurate?"

Because without that step, people get to say, "I don't think so." Well, then what is it?

>> Right.

>> Right. So, I'm I'm adding that step. And

then with all the QR codes, you can decide what's true, what's propaganda.

Yeah.

>> And and you know, and what sources you want to believe. Well, it was weird because publicly they were stating things that go absolutely against known

and established science come but when it comes to pandemics one of them >> the big one that has always been said you do not vaccinate during a pandemic.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. And the other one which is the value of uh of natural immunity uh which has only been known for throughout medical history they suddenly said no no hot and others would say no no you're

better off to get the immunity from the vaccine that happens to come with these few side effects. I mean it it it was it >> but it's also the what I was getting at with the don't vaccinate during a

pandemic because you create variance >> you you >> especially with a leaky vaccine which clearly the COVID vaccine was. You think

>> they lied to us at first and they said it's going to stop infection, stop transmission, period. Oh, great. It just

transmission, period. Oh, great. It just

works. Period. Step in line. Let's do

this. It just works. Period. But it

didn't just work. Period. So that

automatically would create the possibility for the environment for variance. And then people publicly were

variance. And then people publicly were saying that the unvaccinated are causing variance.

>> Yeah.

>> Which is wild.

What a wild twist of reality and decades of research.

>> Yeah, the unvaccinated were uh the Jews in Nazi Germany. We were the worst thing in the world. We were the problem. We

were spreading disease. By the way, since I mentioned that, it's a good little uh uh digression for a second.

There's a book called Hitler's Professors, and it is about a a process that Hitler administration used.

Remember, they're in power for 12 years uh before they start killing people uh with industrial killing. and they would have professors and universities do

research projects and publish them that said Jews spread disease and then they would say uh they damage the economy in these ways. So using medical science is

these ways. So using medical science is not new as a way to uh control populations and as a way to influence.

So by the time you get to 1942 and the population is sort of geared up for this degree of anti-semitism. I'm

not saying there wasn't anti-semitism on its own, but it was exploited and you know exposed to radiation in this process.

Want to share two other quick things. Uh

when I have trouble with these topics and I wonder is you know are people dark enough to sit in a room and say yeah it causes myocarditis mostly to young boys

but let's put it out anyway uh and let's just not say anything. I had real trouble with that. And a dear friend of mine is a novelist Bruce Wagner. And

when I brought this to him and I said, "I just cannot get over this hump. I

cannot believe that people knowingly do this. I just can't get there." And I'm

this. I just can't get there." And I'm I'm not a you know, I'm a skeptical person, so I want to be able to believe anything. And he said, "Well, have you

anything. And he said, "Well, have you read the conference at Bonsy?

>> Have you? Do you know what this is?"

"No." And I said, "No, I never heard of it." He said, "Go to Wikipedia and and

it." He said, "Go to Wikipedia and and read the conference at Vonsy. Read about

that." And so the conference at Bonsi is a conference in 1942 where Hitler's top uh soldiers and intelligence people meet with the civilian government, the minister of finance, the minister of

health, minister of transportation at this place called Bonsi and they lay out what's coming. They lay out the plan for

what's coming. They lay out the plan for what are we going to do with the Jews.

And these are just uh you know civilian guys who have cars and drivers and sitting in suits and have kids playing in the yard and they slowly lay it out and for example somebody says uh then

we're going to move them by train 400,000 of them we're going to move them by train and the minister of transportation says whoa whoa whoa we don't have enough seats on the trains and Hitler's guy says we're not using

seats and it's slowly beginning to drop and these guys thinking what's up so they have this conference for it's somebody transcribes it and the transcript cription is leaked a little bit like happened in my book. I got

great bleak transcriptions and you see these people talking about something that in the beginning they're using euphemisms, relocation camps. Uh and

then they have a little wine after the meeting is over and they stop the euphemisms and now they're talking about well what is a Jew? What if the mother is Jewish but the father isn't? What if

he's a half Jew? What if he's an adopted? So what do we do with these?

adopted? So what do we do with these?

What do we do with that? And these

people who walked into the room uh with no idea what was coming are suddenly participating for all the reasons you mentioned earlier about normal people right got a job they don't want to be

you know excommunicated and so the conference at Bonsi is the example that helps me remember that of course human beings get in a room together every war we do gen we make movies about them they

get in a war they sit around a table like this and they say well we're going to lose 60,000 troops in the is three weeks or we're going to we're going to take out this many but by this method

and generals you know war generals they actually it's not the perfect wording but I I don't have better wording they look forward to the first casualties

because the first casualties of our troops is what uh invigorates the war movement back home they stormed into our camp at night like cowards and they

killed our boys and you have to support our boys in this war if you really wanted to support our boys in the war, you'd leave them in Philadelphia. You

you wouldn't send them to Iraq. But this

is how this works. And there's no surprise that people sit around a table and think about what's the best weapon, what's the best weapon methodology.

That's human life. That's, you know, part of human history. Um

>> and they also think what's the best way for us to make money and is it going to cost human lives? We'll just do it. I

mean, >> and what's the best way for us to control people, >> right? But they clearly did that with

>> right? But they clearly did that with Vio when when they found the emails that showed that they knew about the side effects and then the quote was, "But we think we will do well with this."

>> I got something worse for you than that.

It's right. It's

>> 60,000 people dead.

>> I got something worse than that. Good.

Good timing. Here's Fizer. Uh I'm just going to say these are the companies we're trusting to make the vaccine products that we're injecting into our babies. and a lot of them, including on

babies. and a lot of them, including on the first day of of life for a disease the baby can't possibly get because the mother's tested for hepatitis B. Anyway,

um anyway, Fizer, so they get fined for illegal marketing of products. The

company's forced to pay the largest criminal fine in US history at that time, plus a billion dollars more in a settlement in 2009 for the False Claims

Act. Um, and I almost forgot 240 million

Act. Um, and I almost forgot 240 million in criminal fines and another 190 million in 2004 for false claims to Medicare and 60 million and 40 million

and 75 million for fraudulent marketing, 15 million for paying kickbacks to healthcare providers. That's Fizer.

healthcare providers. That's Fizer.

Johnson and Johnson, who's a really trusted company, you know, to some people. Um, they got fined five billion

people. Um, they got fined five billion for what I already talked about, which is the uh the uh baby powder. Four

billion, I'm sorry. Um, and they had to pay out all kinds of court things. But

they got a $5 billion fine for multiple states uh for its role in the opioid crisis. And you know, you can decide if

crisis. And you know, you can decide if I'm overplaying this because uh they got deceptive marketing, downplaying the risks and overstating the benefits of their products, false claims made to

mislead doctors and patients and regulators, tricky promotion, etc., etc., for distributing fentinel products and failing to adequately warn about the risk of those products. They're $4.7

billion criminal fine in connection with uh baby powder. Um $2.2 billion in penalties for illegal marketing and and kickbacks. Now, I know this is boring,

kickbacks. Now, I know this is boring, so I'm going to rush through it. Glaco

Smith Klein, same thing. All kinds of criminality. Uh Glaco Smith Klein had

criminality. Uh Glaco Smith Klein had 700 middlemen who were bribing doctors.

And one of the companies that I talk about in the book um the uh the sales guy comes to the CEO and he says I got a great idea for our product. Most of the

pharma companies are paying doctors to go around and give seminars, you know, touting the drug, right? He said, "Let's cut that out. Let's go right to pay the doctors to write the prescriptions." It

was called bribe to prescribe. We'll pay

the doctor to write the prescription and then he'll send it to a particular pharmacy and it's for drugs the patient doesn't need and then we'll get a kickback from the pharmacy as well.

Plus, we'll sell our product. The CEO of that company hears that. He slaps his hand on the table and he says, "We just got our new VP of sales."

Right. He They've been convicted, by the way, under the RICO act. Merc other than Vio, uh, which caused perhaps 200 deaths in America, they get a 650 million.

>> Wait a minute. I thought Vio was like 50,000 deaths.

>> No. Uh, the many I mean, you go on go online and you'll get a whole different group of numbers. Um,

>> it was it had to be more than 200, wasn't it?

>> No, I said 200,000.

>> Oh, yeah. You said 200. I thought you were talking about 200 period.

>> Oh, sorry. Yeah. Sorry. I'm sorry.

>> Okay. I had read 60,000.

Really? 200,000?

>> Yeah. Here's a good one from Merc. And

by the way, it could be 600,000 for all we know. You think somebody's running

we know. You think somebody's running around trying to trying to do that number accurately at the CDC or at Merc?

>> Let's say the low end. 50,000.

>> I thought the low end was 100,000, but >> Okay. But let's it's bad.

>> Okay. But let's it's bad.

>> It's still insane.

>> Here's an interesting one from Merc also. a bunch of uh whistleblowers came

also. a bunch of uh whistleblowers came forward at Merc and they acknowledged that their flagship product which is the MMR vaccine that they tested it against

a variant of MS that doesn't exist in the wild and guess what the MMR did really good in that test right and it came back uh that uh that it could pass

all the requirements to be included they added rabbit blood to human samples in order to pass that test.

>> What?

>> Yeah. Why did rabbit blood help them pass that test?

>> Science. Who knows? You know, now they barely do that. Eli Liy criminal fines of a half billion then 800 million in settlements. This is the last one I'll

settlements. This is the last one I'll do for a product of their called Zyprexa right now. Why were people Why did

right now. Why were people Why did 32,000 people sue over Zyprexa? Why were

they so pissed off? Was it because Zyprea caused swelling in the hands and the feet and the arms? A little bit.

That pissed off some people. Was it

because it caused problems with swallowing and drooling or the twisting body movements that lots of people reported? Sure, some were pissed off

reported? Sure, some were pissed off about that. Was it that it caused stroke

about that. Was it that it caused stroke and heart attack? I'm reading, by the way. Uh probably that explains some of

way. Uh probably that explains some of the resentment. But uh ultimately uh

the resentment. But uh ultimately uh that what really pissed people off was uh the the big side effect of sudden death. But Eli Liy made a good decision

death. But Eli Liy made a good decision pushing Zyprexa because even though it cost them 40 billion I mean even though it cost them billions in in settlements

they made 40 billion in revenues.

It does the same with Vio, right? They

made 12 billion in revenue and they got fined five >> and all in 30 last 31 years that I cover in the book uh pharma manufacturers paid

62 billion but they made trillions and most of them are uh repeat offenders. So

the question is why in the world do we trust these companies?

>> It's a very good question.

>> I was hoping you could answer it.

>> There's no answer. I mean, people are lost in the trance. That's what it is.

They want to believe.

>> And the one product, by the way, where they have no liability, you think that's the one where they suddenly get careful, >> right? That's what's hilarious about it.

>> right? That's what's hilarious about it.

And that people push back against that.

How imperative it is that they have liability against being liable.

>> Yeah.

>> Liability against whatever damage they do. Liability against lies. Like, it's

do. Liability against lies. Like, it's

just crazy that they let them do that because vaccines cannot be both safe and effective. is like literally what they

effective. is like literally what they said when they were pleading for the immunity.

>> Yeah. You know, I I forgot to mention earlier because you asked why are some of these ingredients in the vaccines?

Yes.

>> So, on mercury, they claim that it was a preservative for the multid-dosese vial of flu vaccine. But there's another uh ingredient you need in a vaccine and that's called the adgiant. And that's

what bothers the body. That's what gets the body to say, I don't like this. I'm

going to, you know, mount an immune response. And I'm quite confident that

response. And I'm quite confident that mercury, just like aluminum, which is still in lots of vaccines, childhood vaccines, that mercury's purpose in there was that it really pissed off the

body and it got the numbers to work for these vaccines. In other words, that the

these vaccines. In other words, that the immune response. They're claiming it's

immune response. They're claiming it's uh you know, they they make so many claims. They claim that it's such a small amount it doesn't matter. Even

though >> is the difference between ethyl mercury and >> well, that's their big claim. The big

claim is they say that ethyl mercury is different from methyl mercury which is in fish. And comparing two kinds of

in fish. And comparing two kinds of mercury is like saying would you rather be shot with a 38 or a 45? I mean I'd rather just not be shot. But I want to just talk about this methyl mercury thing. What they claim in this nonsense

thing. What they claim in this nonsense that they're inherently different is that ethyl mercury, the one in vaccines, clears through the bloodstream more quickly than methyl mercury. And they're

right. It does. That's been tested in monkeys and it's true. Problem, where

does it end up? In the brain and it collects and it doesn't clear and it lasts for years. So that part they don't want to talk about.

>> Right.

>> Uh you know and again somebody's going to say who the hell a lot of people are going to say who the hell am I or you?

>> All this information is available. You

can find >> that. That's right. So I don't mean

>> that. That's right. So I don't mean that. I mean they're going to say why am

that. I mean they're going to say why am I talking about this? Well, because the [ __ ] doctors aren't because the the >> because doctors can't. They want to stay being doctors.

>> That's true, too. And also, people need to know when you call your doctor and you ask for information on this. Uh they

just go to the CDC website, right?

They're not scientists. They're not

conducting they're not in a lab coat conducting science. In this book, I have

conducting science. In this book, I have a chapter called Ask Your Doctor. And

it's questions to ask your pediatrician in person. Because if you ask them an

in person. Because if you ask them an email, they're going to give you an answer they just got offline. Right.

Right. But if you ask them in person, what are the ingredients of childhood vaccines?

Uh, you think there's a pediatrician out there who can read the list I read to you? You're not going to find that

you? You're not going to find that person because they also bought into the idea that vaccines are are a a product that's uniform across the board. Vaccine

good, disease bad, and it's their business. It's what they do. I'm I'm not

business. It's what they do. I'm I'm not blaming them.

>> And they have a license to conduct business and make billions of dollars.

And you want them to stop for ethical reasons.

>> Yeah. And they're in a priesthood.

>> Uh and you know and and that is what it's like.

>> They get all their respect and and it's like a religion and the you know all these truths that you can't talk about.

I am now having done your show today >> assuming that you uh you air it. I am

now uh officially questioning uh pharma companies and uh and uh you know the Kissinger report. I don't know if you

Kissinger report. I don't know if you heard about that one. That's another

real good one to add to your list of MK Ultra and others. You want that one? I

don't know how.

>> It'll kick your ass too. It's

unbelievable. 1972 Kissinger report put together by CIA and USAD and they uh it is a report that concludes that the United States

official foreign policy signed into law in 1975 by President Ford and when I say signed into law it's called a presidential directive is the reduction

of population in 12 foreign 12 12 specific foreign countries not the control of population the reduction of population. And so it explains the ways

population. And so it explains the ways we're going to do this is through medicalizing birth control. Never was

before. You didn't need a doctor to get a condom. Uh and to go around and talk

a condom. Uh and to go around and talk to villages everywhere and say, "Uh, you want a reproductive health freedom, don't you?" You know what most women

don't you?" You know what most women want on the planet Earth? Babies.

They're not looking for reproductive health freedom was a term for have fewer babies, right? There is a very potent

babies, right? There is a very potent move in official US foreign policy to reduce population in other countries.

Now why Philippines or or Indonesia?

Why? They state it directly in the Kissinger report because it's classified. They wanted to reduce those

classified. They wanted to reduce those countries development so that they wouldn't need their own raw materials because we want them the metals etc. It

is dark as [ __ ] The Kissinger report is not and it's not classified anymore. You

can, you know, ask chat GPT about it to give you quotes from it. And so this whole business of population reduction is now another third rail I'm stepping on, right? Nobody wants it. What are

on, right? Nobody wants it. What are

you? You're nuts. No, a lot of people want it. A lot of people believe,

want it. A lot of people believe, obviously, including Bill Gates, that 8 billion people was the number where we must turn it around, which is where we are supposedly now. And uh the Kissinger

report, I was a kid. I didn't write it.

I didn't make it up. You can find it on Wikipedia. it's a real thing and all the

Wikipedia. it's a real thing and all the presidential directives that came from it. Um would these countries like the

it. Um would these countries like the idea that we show up and we say hey we've got a new tetanus vaccine for you but it happens to also have in it secretly something that will reduce

fertility in your women as we did in India as we did in Peru. In both India and Peru we also did forced sterilization surgeries. US paid for

sterilization surgeries. US paid for them. True story. So the the one vaccine

them. True story. So the the one vaccine was the DTP vaccine. Is that what it was?

>> The one I'm talking about the >> the one that had hg in it.

>> It was just tetanus.

>> But there was a vaccine. There was in Bobby Kennedy's book uh where they were talking about women in Africa where they were unknowingly given this vaccine

against dtheria uh tetanus.

>> Well, it was the tetanus part that that they were that they were pitching. And

by the way, tetanus is a challenge in those countries more than it is in the United States. But yeah, they were call

United States. But yeah, they were call they were calling them uh wellness drugs and >> but they had hCG in it.

>> That's correct. And that

>> HCG and they were more administered to women than they were to men.

>> Oh, of course. And they were five they would administer five of the injections >> and they did it under this the guys was the the narrative was that women were more vulnerable. So you have to give the

more vulnerable. So you have to give the vaccination to women.

>> Yeah.

>> And it was preventing them from getting pregnant. it was preventing them from

pregnant. it was preventing them from getting pregnant and they had World Health Organization which basically has this as a mission man I wish they would sue me for saying this but they they have this as a mission which is

population reduction from the beginning they had worked on that HCG >> this Gates famously in a speech saying we can do that with vaccines

>> yeah by the way in the Kissinger report for those of you not seeing this and only hearing it that was me drinking that pause was me drinking water I did not have a stroke Um in the Kissinger

report they list the strategies and how much funding they'll give to each strategy. One of the strategies is to

strategy. One of the strategies is to medicalize birth control meaning have trusted people in the villages etc. Another one is to pay young men to have a vasectomy just outright pay you know

write a check in villages so they get 60 bucks and they get a nice weekend of buying beer but they never have kids.

But another one of them is injections that reduce that temporarily reduce male fertility. Now, here's an interesting

fertility. Now, here's an interesting thing about that one. It's in the Kissinger report. Injections that

Kissinger report. Injections that temporarily reduce male fertility. The

COVID vaccine reduces sperm count in men for 3 months. Admitted by Fouchy. It's

not a secret. But the CDC's response was, "Yeah, but it's only for 3 months."

And but they were asking us to take one every [ __ ] three months.

>> Also, the miscarriages, >> miscarriages, and still births. My point

is that it's no it's no surprise that these persistent thoughts that I think good people believe meaning I think there are good people who believe that

uh population reduction is important the fact is of course that now we are barely at replacement you know at replacement value right now in terms of many

populations countries like Japan South Korea they're under replacement numbers meaning that meaning they're not having enough babies. The entire population of

enough babies. The entire population of the planet Earth could fit in the state of New York. I'm not saying it would be a pleasant place, but I'm just pointing out that the earth is very big. And I'm

not persuaded that uh that overpopulation is the issue. I do think an issue is uh is distribution of food.

That's a big one. Meaning how we distribute the resources we have is affecting a lot of people. But whether I agree or I don't agree is irrelevant. A

lot of people believe in this very strongly. uh the woman who founded

strongly. uh the woman who founded Planned Parenthood, which I gave and still give money to. The woman who uh you know, she was into population reduction, by the way, when I still when I said a minute ago, still give money to

it. The last one was two years. Now I I

it. The last one was two years. Now I I probably all these things are changing in my head. Meaning everything I uh you know, I thought is subject to uh to to

re-evaluation. And maybe

re-evaluation. And maybe >> maybe that's how we ought to live uh which is to not lock into these positions where we think we know. Well,

I think part of the problem with uh some poor countries is they don't have great infrastructure. They don't have great

infrastructure. They don't have great power grid. They don't have great

power grid. They don't have great manufacturing. They don't have great

manufacturing. They don't have great government. Right? Well, the only way

government. Right? Well, the only way you're going to generate wealth is if you have legitimate power. You have

reliable power. Well, what's the most reliable power that is clean? Well,

that's nuclear. Well, the problem with that is when you give people a nuclear plant, they didn't know how quick and easy it would be to for it to convert to now they have nuclear weapons. That's

how you get India and Pakistan.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. They both have nuclear weapons.

Why do they have nuclear weapons? Cuz

>> somebody decided to build nuclear power plants there. They fig So you can't have

plants there. They fig So you can't have the whole world have nuclear weapons.

It's pretty nuts how many people have them as it is and how we haven't used them.

>> Well, we have used them, of course. Only

only the United States has used them.

Yeah. haven't used them since I was going to say since World War II. But

this thing is this uncsurmountable problem of providing energy and infrastructure.

When you hear things like the Kissinger report where it's like we want to make sure that they don't develop to a point where they start using their own

materials cuz we need them. So let's

[ __ ] up this entire whatever the progress was going to be. Let's halt

that.

>> Yeah. and do it in the name of showing up like we're here to help and we're here to to do something wonderful for you, you know.

>> God, it's so dark.

>> Uh, >> you got time for you got time for a funny one? Okay, this one will be funny,

funny one? Okay, this one will be funny, I promise. All right, so um

I promise. All right, so um >> in the Institute of Medicine report and study that they did on vaccines and what they called autism and I'll call brain

damage. Um, it's a closed session,

damage. Um, it's a closed session, right? And the very first thing said is

right? And the very first thing said is uh this optimistic pronouncement, the closed session transcripts will never be shared with anybody outside the committee and the staff. Well, that

turned out to be way wrong because somebody leaked the transcripts, which is why a lot of them are in my book.

>> How do we know they're substantiated?

How do we know that they're the absolute transcripts? Oh, the the the providence

transcripts? Oh, the the the providence of it. They've been now around since I

of it. They've been now around since I think 200 uh nine maybe was when there was the beginnings of articles and nobody's come and said like Bobby Kennedy published on them and nobody

came forward and said, "Wait a minute, I never said that." And and you can see you you can tell they're real by both how what they say and also what they end up with, which is equal to the report

they published. But this was meant to be

they published. But this was meant to be secret right now. The second

pronouncement they made, this one was dead-on accurate. The point of no

dead-on accurate. The point of no return, the line we will not cross in public policy is pull the vaccine, change the schedule. We wouldn't say compensate the injured and we wouldn't

say stop the program. Then another one says CDC wants us to declare well these things are pretty safe on a population basis and we are not ever going to come

down that autism is a true side effect.

That is the first hour of their study.

That is the first hour when they sit down to answer the question which is uh you know might mercury or other ingredients be causing uh autism in in any children anywhere and

>> read that quote again.

>> Uh let's go back >> autism quote.

>> CDC wants us to declare well these things are pretty safe on a population basis and we are not ever going to come down that autism is a true side effect.

The CDC asked for >> the CDC paid for the pro paid for the >> but they specifically were requesting a result.

>> Yeah. And everybody kind of knows it, you know. One of the doctors asks, "Are

you know. One of the doctors asks, "Are we going to look at mercury?" And the answer comes back fast uh saying not this round. Now, this is the first study

this round. Now, this is the first study that the US government is doing supposedly to find out what causes autism, but what they're actually doing is finding out what doesn't cause

autism, right? Which is they already

autism, right? Which is they already know is going to be vaccines. And one of the doctors says, "Wait a second, not this round. If we're going to look at

this round. If we're going to look at autism, can we really fundamentally look at it in isolation? In the real world, they they meaning the injections don't occur in isolation. Individuals that got

the MMR vaccine also received the vaccines with mercury." Right? So,

that's a very good point he's making.

What happens to his point? Immediately,

a guy named Dr. Berg interrupts. And

this is where where I think it's funny.

I'll try and do it without cracking up, but this is this is what Dr. Ber says, he says, "I don't know how long it will take for us to figure out what the question really is. I'm a veteran of one

panel that took six days for a group about this size to figure out what the question was. It can be a formidable

question was. It can be a formidable issue. I don't know what the question

issue. I don't know what the question is, whether it is MMR or whether it is measles vaccine." And somebody tries to

measles vaccine." And somebody tries to answer him and he says, "Excuse me, we're going to have to have a method for how we focus the question. This is one of the questions we need to focus on.

How are we going to form the question?

What process are we going to use to form the question? The issue of specifying

the question? The issue of specifying the question is a very important step. I

would like to know how this panel is going to specify the question. In other

words, this guy is a [ __ ] chucklehead. And and this is what he's

chucklehead. And and this is what he's obsessed with and and talking about. And

the next guy, Dr. Goodman, he talks all through the thing and he he's impossible to understand. Literally impossible to

to understand. Literally impossible to understand. Here's his quote. In the

understand. Here's his quote. In the

end, the bottom line is the only verdict that matters or is of importance is whether we say a causal relationship between vaccines and autism is likely or

suggested or unlikely or inadequate.

That is the only metric. As soon as we start introducing any other words that sort of sidestep to causality, but we're not going to say causality, I think we would introduce confusion. Now, I read

that 30 times writing this book. I don't

understand what the [ __ ] he's saying.

That's all they do is introduce confusion and they sit there for day after day after day talking not about science. They're they're scientific

science. They're they're scientific experts talking about words.

>> How do they focus?

>> What kind of ad are all these guys on when they're having these conferences? I

mean, I can't even imagine staying awake during listening to that guy say that.

>> They barely, by the way, they barely do stay awake because one of them says, "If we want to subdivide, subdivide the categories, and boy, did they ever want to subdivide." then I think we have to

to subdivide." then I think we have to use there seems to be a strong association which we can't explain or we don't have any other explanation for it or however we don't want to make a causal claim because we know from many

observational studies blah blah blah blah blah he actually says blah blah blah blah blah that's what they know from observational studies and we shouldn't put it in the sufficient category because that will their fear was that people would be afraid to take

vaccines right now you asked how they stay awake >> they don't they quit early and they take a massive break from all the subdivid iding and language pros [ __ ] they're

doing and they go away for a few months and then they come back and one guy says you know what we should say we should say maybe if it happens meaning autism or brain damage it happens maybe once in

a thousand times maybe once in 10,000 times maybe once in a million in other words without a calculator this guy just went from a a a rate a thousand times different one in a thousand to one in a

million he's such a genius that he can accomplish that I mean it is an embarrassment there's one guy. There's

one point >> that's crazy that that's the numbers he was throwing around. Let's just give them a narrative. Give them a voice of authority.

>> Yeah.

>> That tells them it's very rare. Don't

worry about it. And then we're good.

>> And and it it's not a bad idea. Of

course, it's deceitful, but it's not a bad idea. At one point, by the way, one

bad idea. At one point, by the way, one of the guys, Dr. Johnston, he uh he says um oh, this is a good one, too. Dr.

He says, "Let's take the top category from vaccines, the second category from Agent Orange, and then in between, let's put the top from Agent Orange, and the second from vaccines." Voila. And like

they've solved their problem. But the

one guy says like it's like he's reciting Hamlet. He's he he solves the

reciting Hamlet. He's he he solves the problem. He says, "This is what we're

problem. He says, "This is what we're going to say. We're going to say our information is inadequate to accept or reject." That is a statement. And then

reject." That is a statement. And then

they work on that statement for a while and there's this woman named um Barbara Lo Fischer who offered them a lot of information that they rejected. They

turned it down. And here's what they say about her in the meeting. They say all we are going to get from her is a list of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of kids who were developing normally but

they got their MMR vaccine and then they started to regress. In other words, all we're going to get is exactly what we're being paid to sit here and do. That's

what America was asking them to do. And

so all these I'll just do one more.

There's a guy uh Dr. Goodman and he says to the group, I've got something big.

>> He says, "I I I" He says, "It's not uh it's still sort of rough, but" And then he rolls out this big invention of his.

I call it the three category system.

That is high, intermediate, and inadequate with the other two categories being no evidence at all or favors acceptance. And he says, 'What we're

acceptance. And he says, 'What we're looking for is an argument that is embedded inside the rhetoric. An

argument that might be of some value to parse out and take pieces of and make sure that we address it in its pieces.

That's like a [ __ ] scrabble set that turned upside down. Doesn't make any sense, but I'm not a scientist, so I shouldn't be able to opine on it. But

that's why, >> but it's clear what they're doing. What

they're doing is trying to make that water as muddy as possible. M and they come out with their report and not only do they come out with their report saying that there's no link between any

vaccine and any autism in any child. Not

only that, but they say it should not be further studied. These guys who will do

further studied. These guys who will do study after study after study for years because they're getting paid for it on this one. They decide no more studies. I

this one. They decide no more studies. I

mean, it's quite remarkable. And that is the thing that allows everybody to say to you and to me and to Bobby Kennedy, "Oh, that's debunked. That's how it happened. That's the debunking." And

happened. That's the debunking." And

what I'm trying to do is show the how the sausage is made in these debunking campaigns. And it's it's not pretty.

campaigns. And it's it's not pretty.

>> Oh, sorry.

Uh say something say something optimistic.

>> There's nothing optimistic after that.

But it's just until those kind of people are no longer able to do those kind of things, we're going to continue to have new versions of this problem and there's going to be new things that come up that

freak everybody out.

>> Yeah, of course. And you know, you asked at the very beginning, did I think that some of these things were intentional or were they simply exploiting the opportunities that came? I now believe

that uh very few things are purely organic events. That's what I believe.

organic events. That's what I believe.

In other words, any giant social movement like CO is a giant social movement. I'm not talking about the

movement. I'm not talking about the virus. I'm talking about the response.

virus. I'm talking about the response.

This is not accidental. This is not people, oh, we thought this and we tried that and we were just doing our best to figure stuff out. That's now impossible.

That theory, do you think that the virus was released intentionally?

>> I I'm open to the idea. You know, that's exactly the one, by the way, that I went to my friend Bruce Wagner and I was suffering over. In other words, can

suffering over. In other words, can people do this kind of stuff? But then

you learn that we dropped infected ticks on Cuba. Uh that uh you know that Lyme

on Cuba. Uh that uh you know that Lyme disease is likely the result of experimentation.

>> Now, people have pushed back on me about that one recently because I said that on the podcast. Uh because Lyme disease has

the podcast. Uh because Lyme disease has existed forever, right? Like there's

versions of Lyme disease. It's like very ancient. That's true, right?

ancient. That's true, right?

>> I don't know. I don't know. I only know that.

>> But there is the reality is Plum Island, they were doing bioweapons research and one of the projects was taking ticks of course and infecting them with different things so you could drop them off of

helicopters, infect a population, and overwhelm their medical system. This is

established, right? That's true.

>> And Lime Island was right outside or Plum Island rather was right outside of Lime, Connecticut. That's all true. And

Lime, Connecticut. That's all true. And

so is it is it possible? It's a little bit like the big um >> it's also like why would you defend that?

>> Defend it in what way?

>> Why would anybody say, "Oh, lime has always been around."

>> Okay.

>> Oh, do you? But what? It's never been ubiquitous. It's never been a disease

ubiquitous. It's never been a disease that infects ticks and everybody gets it and the entire population is chronic fatigue syndrome. That's not normal.

fatigue syndrome. That's not normal.

That's new.

>> Yeah. I moved out of New York State. I

had a beautiful place there and I moved because I got Lyme disease and my kids got it and I just couldn't every time I go for a walk in the forest have to think about uh you know this tick that's on you.

>> Oh, I had a friend get it and his child got paralyzed. He got face paralysis.

got paralyzed. He got face paralysis.

Yeah, the same thing. Gueb bar, whatever it's called.

>> Guy Beret.

>> Gion Bereet. Um I only see it written.

Uh Gion Beret uh his his child got it when the doctor was unwilling to admit that the kid had Lyme disease because the bullseye the little thing had gone away.

>> Right. which is, you know, the doctor just ah he's fine and and then eventually got to the face paralysis where they started giving him like high doses of antibiotics and but my friend

both he and his son he got he suffered badly. He lost like 50 60 pounds.

badly. He lost like 50 60 pounds.

>> He looked [ __ ] terrible for a long time. It's it's quite serious and you

time. It's it's quite serious and you know there there was a giant uh outbreak of polio the certainly the biggest and most important one happened in in New

York and there too the Rockefeller Foundation was working on funding uh gain of function research on polio to make it worse.

>> Yeah, we've talked about this.

>> Yeah. Nowhere on the planet earth had there ever been another outbreak like that. And uh the reason that polio uh

that. And uh the reason that polio uh you know was fatal to some people um is because of the paralysis piece but as you said the paralysis may very well be

the result of insecticides and other and other modern pathogens and uh so it's all you you know ask me you asked me the big question do I think it's intentional

um my easiest answer is that um I can believe almost anything I obviously do not know the answer to that question.

Um, but I think it's intentional that they were doing gain of function research against the objection of many people including President Obama, you know, opposed it and they offshored it

to China. Many people wrote articles

to China. Many people wrote articles against it. It is quite literally mad

against it. It is quite literally mad scientist insane.

>> Yeah, >> it's quite literally insane to say, can I make something worse than nature might because it might make it one >> and not have a [ __ ] cure for it while you're doing that.

>> Never. It's never worked, right? They've

never done the thing of having >> But that wasn't the research. The

research was making the virus worse. The

research wasn't let's make a cure for a virus.

>> Well, it's both because the research was make bioweapons. Uh that means make it

make bioweapons. Uh that means make it worse. But the defense for bioweapons is

worse. But the defense for bioweapons is the dream of uh of Dr. Dazac who should be in prison. Please sue me, Peter Dazac. Please sue me for saying that. Um

Dazac. Please sue me for saying that. Um

I have the resources to address this lawsuit with you. Anyway, the the research he was doing to make bioweapons and to make something worse um included

and he made a pitch to the Pentagon on it included having a vaccine that would make our troops able to walk in immune.

>> Science fiction, >> right? Science fiction. But but it's but

>> right? Science fiction. But but it's but it's very sexy science fiction because ain't that the greatest war ever?

>> We make them sick but we don't get sick.

>> But they didn't have a vaccine. So they

had the disease but they didn't have a vaccine that was effective for it. But

he wanted to work on it at and he wanted >> How long were they working on it? I

mean, you think about the the virus if if 2014 was when they brought back that's the the date where Fouchy is immune, right? That's what it's where it

immune, right? That's what it's where it goes back to, right?

>> So, that must have been the time where they restarted gain function research.

Like, how long were they doing it before that? Like, how long have they been

that? Like, how long have they been doing it? And they they never had a

doing it? And they they never had a vaccine.

>> Back to paperclip. I mean, back to the very beginning. Look, humanity, the

very beginning. Look, humanity, the history of humanity in concludes that the greatest funding will always go to weapons.

Uh, and so scientists became, they weren't always in the position they're in that they're in in American society and western society today, but they became very important because you could

figure out things like uh nuclear weapons and and bioweapons. And if you have bioweapons that are uh that are ethnically targeted, that'll be that'll

be a big advancement. And there's no reason in the world to believe that China, Russia, the United States, and other superpowers aren't working on that.

>> Oh boy.

>> And and we are, you know, we we would vote against it if there was a referendum, right? We meaning you and me

referendum, right? We meaning you and me and maybe Jamie. I can't tell about Jamie. Okay. Would you, Jamie?

Jamie. Okay. Would you, Jamie?

>> Jamie's a good guy.

>> Okay. He's he's he's raising his eyebrows. I don't know what what to

eyebrows. I don't know what what to think. But anyway, many I think probably

think. But anyway, many I think probably most intelligent people would say, "Yeah, let's not do that."

>> Right. And in fact, most intelligent people might say, "If we could go back and not have nuclear weapons, uh, let's, uh, you know, go back to that." That

would be a nice thing. Certainly, people

have tried. But scientists tend to get their best funding. I mean, look, there's a bioweapons lab at the University of Boston. Um, a highlevel one. What the [ __ ] I don't want my kid

one. What the [ __ ] I don't want my kid going to the University of Boston. Like,

what are we doing that for? Uh, and it's and there's they're all over the world.

There were 60 of them in Ukraine funded by the United States. And we we think we want to wonder why Russia might not like what was going on in Ukraine. By the

way, speaking of Ukraine, I keep asking if I have time. Do I have time to tell the Zilinsky story? Sure. Because it's

another one. It's just, you know, what is Zilinsky? In America, he's a hero.

is Zilinsky? In America, he's a hero.

He's a real warrior. He's got that nice green, you know, uh, warrior suit on.

And here's the truth. And people know parts of this story, but they don't know it in it in its cleanest narrative. So

he was a totally a-political, he was an outsider to politics, zero experience or interest in government or politics. He

was a comedian and with no manifesto, no party ties. And he does a TV show, a

party ties. And he does a TV show, a planned TV show called Servant of the People. And the main character in the

People. And the main character in the show does a YouTube video that calls out oligarchs and corruption and eventually becomes popular and is drafted as a protest candidate and eventually becomes

president. So, Zalinsky played on a TV

president. So, Zalinsky played on a TV show a person who becomes president by popular demand. In real life, the TV

popular demand. In real life, the TV show is supported by an oligarch named Koloyski who owned the TV channel. And

Kamoyski did a huge non-stop promo on that TV show to make it the number one show. Prime time slots and ads

show. Prime time slots and ads everywhere and crossovers with the news and what have you. 2018, a year before the show goes off the air, Zilinski

forms a political party called Servant of the People, the same title as the as the show. And uh in no press release,

the show. And uh in no press release, secretly done, and then he does another season of the show. And in April of

2019, he announces his actual candidacy on Instagram. He has no campaign, no

on Instagram. He has no campaign, no rallies, no real platform. He skips the presidential debates. Uh others

presidential debates. Uh others attended. He avoids press conferences

attended. He avoids press conferences and the few that he did were in the beginning were really bad. And

Kolamoyski's TV channel gave Zalinski's campaign endless airtime.

And uh favorable polls and went after his enemies. The US intelligence

his enemies. The US intelligence agencies, CIA and NSA helped. US

spending5 billion dollars by the way on democracy campaigns in uh in Ukraine funneled through NOS's and uh USAD

embeds advisors in his organization to help with the campaign. I'm almost done.

And on election day, Zalinski wins with 73% of the vote. And

uh then the war happens with Russia and he declares martial law and he ends elections. Supposed to be an election in

elections. Supposed to be an election in 2024. That's what we get for our

2024. That's what we get for our democracy money. And quite literally, he

democracy money. And quite literally, he is an actor in a carefully designed television show. He is a construct like

television show. He is a construct like Epstein is a construct, meaning he's a created entity. And uh and and it

created entity. And uh and and it worked. That is Zalinski, American hero.

worked. That is Zalinski, American hero.

I guess his his star is maybe fading a little bit now. Uh I don't know. What do

you think? Is he still wildly popular in America? Well, I think people are very

America? Well, I think people are very disappointed by the fact that the wars continue to go on and the deaths, the amount of deaths.

>> I mean, people are horrified by it. It's

it's a and that's a big failure of the promises of the Trump administration, too, because Trump famously said that he would get it done in 24 hours, but >> you can't get it done at all.

>> Yeah, it's tough.

>> And they're cons conscripting 60-year-old men, sending them to the front line. I mean it's

front line. I mean it's >> and and and Americans and people from all over the world to go and fight and uh but the narrative I think you know your very first question was do people

do this on purpose things things like this like wars that are multi-billion dollar events they are not organic they do not just happen you know he does

Putin does not just decide one day hey I got an idea uh you know and to go into a part of of uh Ukraine where they're Russian speakers they're cultural really

Russian and uh it is not they are not organic events. It's not how people get

organic events. It's not how people get into power in many countries around the world. Well, the crazy thing is the

world. Well, the crazy thing is the narrative that the soldiers in Russia were being told that this was going to be over very quickly. They're going to be welcomed and then you know they had dress uniforms in their packs.

>> Yeah.

>> They thought it was going to be a couple of days. Storm in, storm out. You're a

of days. Storm in, storm out. You're a

hero.

>> Yeah. We were told we were told that in Iraq that we will be uh you know welcomed in uh in Iraq as soon as we get to Baghdad.

>> So what do you think the Ukraine thing is really all about?

>> Well all why why limit it to Ukraine?

Just talk about human war. I mean what is human war always about? It's about uh primacy and control and uh and and wealth. And you know, thousand years

wealth. And you know, thousand years ago, there's about a thousand what you would call government systems, right?

There's warlords and there's shoguns in Japan and and there's all these little entities. In our lifetime, it's down to

entities. In our lifetime, it's down to 190. But is it really 190? It's more

190. But is it really 190? It's more

like five, right? NATO and China and the Soviet block when it existed and the oil producing countries. In other words,

producing countries. In other words, it's getting to be whatever number you want to make it, but eventually it'll be two [ __ ] sitting in a room and then they got to kill each other, >> right?

>> And then, you know, that is the decay of empire. And we are, you know, we have

empire. And we are, you know, we have 760 military bases overseas.

China has one.

And they I'm not saying China good, US bad. China's got different methods for

bad. China's got different methods for for you know this the [ __ ] they're doing. But you ask me what's this war

doing. But you ask me what's this war about? And I think we should never talk

about? And I think we should never talk now anymore about individual wars and their narratives because it it's just a reality of human beings and human

history that all wars are justified.

Every single war is justified, right? It

depends which narrative you want to choose, right? Uh Ukraine has a

choose, right? Uh Ukraine has a perfectly good narrative. Russia has a good narrative and the US it's kind of the weakest narrative. We're we're at war with Russia is what it boils down

to, right? Wars now are electronic. And

to, right? Wars now are electronic. And

so the US is currently at war with Russia just using the the bodies, the meat grinder of the Ukrainians, but we

are firing uh missiles. We are providing the signals intelligence. We are

providing the satellite information.

That is how war is fought today. And

it'll be more and more. Look at the, you know, the drone attacks. the drone

attacks that uh that Ukraine supposedly accomplished. Uh you think any US

accomplished. Uh you think any US technology might have been involved in that?

>> No chance.

>> No chance. I knew it. You So I I apparently am a conspiracy theorist.

Yeah. What I want to be, by the way, is just I don't have the answers on these things, but I want to accept in the time I'm 71, in the time I have left on

earth, I want to accept that these things are part of humanity and part of the human nature, particularly when you have big centralized governments. George

Carlin had a great joke. He he he said uh it wasn't even a joke. We said it on on the Tonight Show. He said, uh, uh, I really love people as individuals, but as soon as you get two or more together,

I can't stand them.

>> Right. So, political parties, governments, all of that stuff.

>> Well, large groups, you know.

>> Yeah. Doesn't work.

>> Well, there's a diffusion of responsibility, too. You can kind of

responsibility, too. You can kind of That's why how corporations can function. You kind There's so many

function. You kind There's so many people. You don't feel bad for what

people. You don't feel bad for what you're doing. You're part of a greater

you're doing. You're part of a greater thing. It can't be stopped.

thing. It can't be stopped.

>> Congress is like that. will will declare war on some country and no one person is responsible but I would like to say something optimistic Joe

>> and that is that you know what co did something the the the disaster of it I'm not talking only about the virus I looked at my life and said what are the

ways things that I'm grateful for today that didn't exist I made a strong commitment to travel with my kids because we were told we couldn't and I'm very grateful for that having happened I

lost a lot relationships as I'm sure you did and we we both will after this talk today. Um but I also made some of the

today. Um but I also made some of the strongest relationships in my life. I

mean people now who you or I could show up at their front door in a crisis at 2 in the morning and they'd let us in.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh and so >> well you found out who's courageous.

>> That's a very important piece. and and

the the heroism of that uh you know you are one of the people who has given me optimism and hope because you put it on the line in a way that uh that most people don't and governments didn't like

it uh powerful governments didn't like it and still don't like it and so those relationships I think uh have made they give me optimism and also a dear friend of mine said when you think of the worst

things that human beings do uh you should also think of the lofty things they do at the same time, which is heroism and supporting each other and loving each other. And uh our

willingness, yours and mine even, to talk about this stuff uh you know, publicly >> is a uh neither one of us is claiming to know all these answers, >> but we're asking questions and

apparently, you know, there are there are consequences for that. You

>> Well, it's also there's a reason to do it because it's not being done. Like if

you're looking at mainstream media, if you're looking at all these very respected newspapers and television shows, whether it's the New York Times or the Washington Post, why aren't they why

isn't this on the front page of course of their newspaper? Why isn't this the lead on their television show?

>> Because they are deeply corrupted. And

probably right after pharma, they are the most responsible for the suffering that people went through. You know it during the COVID years six million people died from just regular things in

America alone because their families couldn't be with them right you had a whole year in which you couldn't go to the hospital and hold the hand of your father one of the most I had that right I could not be with my father when he

died one of the most important passages in our lives is to be there for each other in in that time just like childbirth and so these are dark you know these are dark outcomes and in

America we have more of an opportunity to resist than most other countries do.

And uh I hope more people will be, you know, will be skeptical and will will do it. And that there's hope in that. I

it. And that there's hope in that. I

mean, there's optimism in that. But I

just have to let go of all of my uh beliefs that this is outrageous, meaning this is not outrageous. This is the way things are.

>> It's normal.

>> Yeah, >> it's normal. We were just very delusional before co Yeah, I mean, I certainly was.

>> Me, too. I was as gullible as the very people that I, you know, I look in the car and see the guy with two masks in the next car.

>> Um, I was just as gullible, just different things.

>> Well, it's also sometimes it's like something like this happens and at what point in your life does it happen? I

mean, if happened to me when I was 20, I probably would have had a way different reaction than when I was 53. It's just

at that time in my life, I was like, >> of course, >> I don't trust you guys anymore. I don't

try. I've already seen enough [ __ ] from you guys. I know this can't be 100% what's going on, but the the extent of the deception, I never would have

imagined the extent of the corruption. I

never guessed. I thought the doctors were great. I never thought they, you

were great. I never thought they, you know, I I never thought they were ever doing anything that would be bad for your health just because there's a profit incentive. I never thought that.

profit incentive. I never thought that.

>> Yeah. I was a little skeptical about some surgeries like some surgeons want to do surgery. I'm like I think you could rehab that >> but other than that I never thought that there was be this level of corruption

with pharmaceutical drug companies >> maybe this is a blessing to come out of out of co because it was very persuasive. What does I mean I can get

persuasive. What does I mean I can get pissed off at many things. One of them is that no human beings >> ever pay a penalty for this stuff.

Right.

>> Right. Even if it's just money gets >> Albert Borla, what does he care about? A

fine, criminal fine.

>> They don't care. They're still making so much money >> and people are still [ __ ] taking it.

That's right. There's ads for it. I've

seen an ad where a lady has like two band-aids and bunch she goes, "I got my flu and my COVID all in one shot." Like,

>> yeah, >> why?

>> It's a good question. And and by by the way the uh smallox vaccine which I talk about in the book in in the context of showing that we know a lot about it because it's old and it lists the people

who are most vulnerable to problems from the smallox vaccine which is a nice service for the CDC to do. Meaning if

you have any of these conditions be watchful of the smallox vaccine which you don't is not a popular vaccine obviously unless you have a smallox outbreak. What do they list on there?

outbreak. What do they list on there?

Diabetes. Oh well there's 65 million Americans. um family history of heart

Americans. um family history of heart disease.

You know somebody who doesn't have a family history of heart disease meaning everybody in America it's perfectly safe for except everybody in America. Now the

reason I'm mentioning it is that's the vaccine that they rolled out for monkey pox. Same vaccine and a million people

pox. Same vaccine and a million people took the monkey pox vaccine and the government was trying to get monkey pox to be as scary as uh you know as as co but they couldn't find anybody with

monkey pox. They they kept showing the

monkey pox. They they kept showing the same hands with monkey pox uh and there was some African kid and they couldn't find anybody with it. And so eventually most people didn't care but a million

people lined up and then CDC said uh how about two? I think we should do two of

about two? I think we should do two of these monkey pox vaccines. You know that should be the regimen. And so people are scared of you know throughout history there were always witch doctors in every

village. Right. God,

village. Right. God,

>> the monkey box one was wild because it was really only promiscuous gay guys that were getting it.

>> Well, and only six of them. I mean, you >> four guys died, right?

>> Yeah. You got a I don't even know about that.

>> I think four guys died.

>> I mean, we think we're told four guys died. That we can be sure.

died. That we can be sure.

>> That's right. But it was a thing where they were trying to spread it like it was a new epidemic that was going to >> run through the country.

>> No, it was like AIDS. It was going to run.

>> They tried it twice. I know. They tried

it once and it didn't take and then they tried a second time. And you know, they changed the name as well.

>> What is it now?

>> Uh, let's think what it is.

>> Monkeyy's offensive.

>> No, no, they monkey was a little comical. Monkey pox didn't sound serious

comical. Monkey pox didn't sound serious enough. So, they changed it to something

enough. So, they changed it to something else. Pardon me for not remembering.

else. Pardon me for not remembering.

During the Biden administration, they changed it to something else. And they

tried to roll it out and and uh you know this uh what is it here?

>> According that sounds a little scary, doesn't it?

You know, now that I've seen the word epox, I think I might get that vaccine later today.

>> It's better. It sounds better than monkey pox. Empox is kind of terrifying.

monkey pox. Empox is kind of terrifying.

>> It is and I don't want to get itinical.

>> I don't want to get it. So, I'm going to get this. So, so this um you know all

get this. So, so this um you know all this stuff that I that I explored over the last year >> um does leave me with some optimism

because uh when COVID happened the the book 1984 be in 2021 it was the 17th bestselling book in the world. So

somebody was had their head screwed on.

>> Yeah. And so that gives me a little bit of hope. And this uh book, which Can I

of hope. And this uh book, which Can I be a [ __ ] and hold it up again?

>> Forbidden Facts.

>> That's the book.

>> Where can one get that? Can they get on Amazon? Um did you do an audio version

Amazon? Um did you do an audio version of it?

>> There's an audio version. There's a

there's a >> Did you read it?

>> I did.

>> Yes.

>> And uh I I love when the authors read it.

>> Yes. Me, too.

>> And there's also a uh whatever you call it, an ebook version, which is only $5.

I don't make any money from the book.

The publisher doesn't make any money from the book. The purpose of the book is to help some people persuade some other people to be more pessimistic because uh sorry well that was an

interesting slip to be more um to have more skepticism. Don't be more

more skepticism. Don't be more pessimistic.

Yeah. that it it might have the result of making some people more pessimistic, but to be more realistic about this stuff so that we can maybe have enough people who say, you know what, I mean,

interestingly, by the way, right now, CO shots were supposed to be given down to 6 months old. Not at this moment, they stopped by RFK Jr. and the new administration, but it was supposed to be given down to six months old, and

almost no parents did it.

>> So, that's something to be optimistic about, right? They they just whatever

about, right? They they just whatever their sense is >> Yeah. uh this thing didn't really help

>> Yeah. uh this thing didn't really help the vaccine industry as much as they probably hoped.

>> I think it did the exact opposite. I

think it it opened up a lot of people's eyes to alternative ways of doing things. But the the problem is with some

things. But the the problem is with some school systems you your children must be fully vaccinated in order to attend unless you have some sort of religious exemption or >> No, even religious exemption is taken away in California. They're trying

California is [ __ ] nuts.

>> Trying to take it away in uh Do you want to move back?

Oh, by the way, you know, another benefit I got uh you're part of, which is that I came here to see you a few years ago and then I drove to San Antonio and I looked at some properties

that were like old hotels because they were all empty uh during COVID time.

They'd had problems and we moved our company headquarters to San Antonio, Texas, out of California. And that's

been awesome where you go and you meet with a a building inspector and he says, "Hey, that looks good." Yeah. Okay. as

opposed to waiting eight months to get a no. I mean, the whole Texas thing is a

no. I mean, the whole Texas thing is a gift from you that I'm so grateful for.

And our company >> uh now is based in San Antonio as its headquarters and we don't require vaccination, needless to say. And we had one 31-year-old applicant fall down dead

during the run. We have a phys, you know, a run for physical uh requirements, physical fitness requirements, uh vaccinated. And we uh we did uh the testing for traropponin

and for dimer which is the cardiac indicators from uh of of cardiac problems. We did it for we did it for every applicant. And uh and in the first

every applicant. And uh and in the first 54 people, these are all young men who don't smoke. These are all fit people.

don't smoke. These are all fit people.

In the first 54, 17 had to go to cardiologists.

>> That's a true stat.

>> And they had no idea there was anything wrong with them before.

>> No. And and and some of them there wasn't anything wrong. Dimer test

detects blood clots. Is that correct?

>> It's for micro clotting. And and

traroponin and dd dimer are both cardiac uh indicators. Now I'll tell you why I

uh indicators. Now I'll tell you why I did it. I was having lunch with uh a

did it. I was having lunch with uh a very well-known doctor from Yale uh who who now is has left Yale. One of the people who opposed the vaccine program and opposed the mandatory vaccines for

college students but not you know they were giving it to uh students but not faculty. Jesus. Anyway, uh he he said to

faculty. Jesus. Anyway, uh he he said to me uh I said, "We're not taking anybody and putting them through the physical fitness uh regimen to apply to our company uh if they were vaccinated in

the last two weeks." And he said, "Well, where'd you get two weeks?" I said, "I read it in an article. I really don't know." He said, "No, no, no. Two weeks

know." He said, "No, no, no. Two weeks

isn't going to make any difference. You

have to uh you have to um test them for dimer and uh and traroponin levels." So,

we started doing that and then we did the entire company. anybody who was vaccinated many people chose to be they were coming out of the military but >> can I correct correct me if I'm wrong tropparonin levels are something that

they measure for myocarditis correctly >> yeah it's I mean for cardiac it's one of the cardiac markers in general in blood >> and it isn't one of the reasons why they

were saying that more young people who were uh who were just infected by the um virus had rates of higher rates of

myocarditis than even people that were vaccinated Remember they were trying trying to say that in the beginning >> they did say it and it is [ __ ] >> It is [ __ ] but it was because of traropponin levels right from so that measured during infection.

>> Yeah it's I don't know the answer but it's possible it certainly I I know the answer that it is one of the things measured during infection >> but they were calling it myocarditis when there wasn't >> right that's that makes sense. There

wasn't a scan on the heart to see enlargement of the heart, >> right? There wasn't uh you know you can

>> right? There wasn't uh you know you can >> they were just measuring tarponin levels that saying look there's more myocarditis in people that are infected with the vaccine or the virus rather than the vaccine. Well, that is I don't know all the details, but that is now

dropped. In any case, they've dropped

dropped. In any case, they've dropped that defense because the reality is when you there was a test done at the Cleveland Clinic of all the health care professionals before they were

vaccinated and then all of them after and they had had COVID. And so they had a baseline of how many had elevated D-dimer, for example. And then

afterwards, I'm not going to quote the stat because I just don't remember it.

uh many many people had the elevated d-dimer afterwards who didn't have it before. So the vaccine the idea that the

before. So the vaccine the idea that the vaccine it's a good idea. It's what they always try right which is to say the vac the the disease is worse than the thing you're being vaccinated against. By the

way the the expert who told me to get everybody tested in my company because they're young fit men and they're stressed physically. They're very often

stressed physically. They're very often heavy exertion both through our academy and of course in the work um is Dr. Harvey Rich. Just FYI. I just wanted to

Harvey Rich. Just FYI. I just wanted to acknowledge that that's the guy he was you couldn't have been more prominent and decorated and and important up until he started taking positions against uh

co and then he uh you know then then he eventually left Yale he's still I think emmeritus professor there but all those guys who who were brave uh are are

really heroic because the and some of them now are in you know NIH and FDA uh you know this is very interesting right >> very interesting interesting uh development interesting going to it's

going to be interesting to see what they're able to accomplish over these four years.

>> Well, I'll tell you a piece of it that is good for your listeners to hear and that is that a lot of things are being accomplished that the uh corporate media just doesn't report. Right? So when for

example when the ASIP committee decided to take mercury out of all vaccines and Bobby did an impassion presentation a video asking all countries in the world to follow many had already done it

before. uh nobody reported that, right?

before. uh nobody reported that, right?

The the no corporate media reported that. So, there's a lot of things going

that. So, there's a lot of things going on that people just don't they just aren't aware of and uh that are very valuable. You know, stopping a bunch of

valuable. You know, stopping a bunch of mRNA uh research projects that didn't look like they were promising and uh stopping fluoride in water, recommending against it, all the things that are

going on with foods. There's a lot going on there, but nobody will report it because if you didn't know this already, the corporate media hates Robert F.

Kennedy Jr. a lot.

>> Uh, and uh, I wonder if it has anything to do with being funded by pharma. Who

knows?

>> It might have something to do with it. I

I saw a statistic that showed the percentage of mainstream news articles that were negative about him, and it's bananas. It's in the '9s.

bananas. It's in the '9s.

>> Yeah. And and we also even when I was here last time we put up that uh something over 90% of uh cable news

channels uh are uh are sponsored by uh by pharma. In fact something like 80s

by pharma. In fact something like 80s something percent is just fizer all by itself. By the way optimistic so we

itself. By the way optimistic so we moved my company to San Antonio. I'm so

happy about it. My employees are so much happier about it. We operate all over the country, but the our training now is here. And um and we're we're always

here. And um and we're we're always hiring and it is we're now hiring in a state. We're hiring from anywhere in the

state. We're hiring from anywhere in the country, but we're hiring in a state where people like something in common.

Freedom.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. And in in California, God bless California. I lived there for, you know,

California. I lived there for, you know, I was born there and most of my life, but holy [ __ ] You've been to San Francisco. Holy [ __ ]

Francisco. Holy [ __ ] >> Yeah. I don't even go anymore. It's too

>> Yeah. I don't even go anymore. It's too

[ __ ] up.

>> I have friends that just went. and they

did shows there. They said it's hard to get people to go out because if you park your car anywhere, it's going to get broken into. Yeah.

broken into. Yeah.

>> And he was talking to the people that are there and it's like it's just a ghost town. Restaurants are closing.

ghost town. Restaurants are closing.

Everything's [ __ ] up. Just people just >> refugees everywhere you look in this in the street. Just human waste and [ __ ]

the street. Just human waste and [ __ ] and piss. And

and piss. And >> you're making it sound bad.

>> It's just crazy how bad it got in such a short amount of time.

>> Yeah. San Francisco, too. you know,

stores boarded up and uh we're in a we're definitely in a time of of social decay. And uh uh that is a reality that

decay. And uh uh that is a reality that we all have to accept. And that is, by the way, also part of human nature.

That's what empires do. Uh empires

decay, >> right? I mean, it doesn't seem necessary

>> right? I mean, it doesn't seem necessary if it's not everywhere.

>> I think it's necessary. Oh, you mean necessary to have LA be that bad or San Francisco be Oh, no. Of course not.

>> It can be corrected. It's just like, how are you not correcting? And everybody

keeps voting the same way. It's just

like, do you not see where the this trend is headed? Like, you've got to do something radical to clean this up.

>> Well, maybe Vic Caruso, I mean, Rick Caruso will run for mayor. He ran the last time.

>> Maybe he'll run for governor.

>> Yes, that's possible, too. And he's an interesting I know him and a very interesting guy, and I would I would vote for him and support him in every way I can. But it's possible because when these fires happened, probably the

most common thing you heard in LA was, "Oh [ __ ] I wish I'd voted for Rick Caruso." Yeah.

Caruso." Yeah.

>> I mean, they'd voted for somebody that didn't have much history and just didn't do a great job uh around the fires. And

>> you know, uh it it's it's sad to see that decay the way that it is, but I want to uh work on the optimistic part that uh that I'm not there anymore. I

stay in a hotel when I go there. It's so

much fun because you because it reminds me every every time I push the elevator button, I don't live here anymore.

>> All right. Well, Gavin, thank you very much. Um, hold up your book one more

much. Um, hold up your book one more time so people can go buy it.

>> Forbidden Facts.

>> Appreciate you very much, sir. Thank

you.

>> Thank you. You, too,

>> Bye, everybody.