The Final Episode | Episode 128 | Everything is Everything

welcome to everything is everything for the last time I'm Amit and this is AJ and not for the we are not Amit and AJ for the last time I will continue to be Amit he will continue to be AJ but this

is our last episode of everything is everything for the moment and we thought we'll do like uh a pleasant goodbye, look back a little bit, talk about our reasons why we are bringing this to an

end and uh kind of talk about the things that we've learned from doing the show.

So AJ uh both of us actually have reasons for not doing this anymore and it so happened that we had a chat and they coincided. So we said uh you know

they coincided. So we said uh you know all good things come to an end. Better

things lie ahead of both of us. So um

you know you want to share your reasons with our gentle listeners.

My biggest reason. So I have one big reason and I have a less big reason. My

big reason is that I think I have said what I wanted to say. Okay. So I have one lifetime of knowledge. I have only one lifetime of knowledge. And you know

I've always been saying to you that there aren't that many nice complete episodes that one can make. So I have a lifetime in hiking and that gives an

episode. You have a lifetime in cycling

episode. You have a lifetime in cycling and that gives an episode. You have a lifetime in poker and that gives an episode and one can't live more lives

and create these bodies of knowledge. So

that is the main reason that I feel I had certain things to say and I am at the end of that and the other reason is that it is very very difficult. It is

very costly and perhaps there's a connection that as one steps away from the very familiar lifetime knowledge

material the difficulty levels of doing this were going up and uh on this show I have promised a book project a book of

taxes by Vijay Kelkar Arbin Modi and me and I have many other research papers and I just got into a whole tangle in early December we are running three

conferences and it is just a gruelling pace. So I thought it's optimal to stop

pace. So I thought it's optimal to stop here. I think we've built a great body

here. I think we've built a great body of work. We'll talk about it a bit more

of work. We'll talk about it a bit more but it is time to stop.

>> Yeah. And you know you said uh you're writing that book in so many research papers. When you said so many I was

papers. When you said so many I was hoping you're going to say so many books because gentle readers I've been convincing him to do various books that are in this man invisible infrastructure and various others. So hopefully they will happen. Let me share my reasons for

will happen. Let me share my reasons for it. You know, I've always been really

it. You know, I've always been really bloody minded about, you know, once you start something, you just take it through where it's got to go. Uh, the

scene and the unseen was weekly for 7 years and is now fortnightly. I never

missed a scheduled release. Various

incidents happened in my life, but I never missed uh, you know, a Monday where it had to come out. Similarly with

everything is everything. We have never missed a release. We've, you know, it's always Friday 12:00 the episode comes out. Once it had to go to Saturday very

out. Once it had to go to Saturday very early on, but otherwise always Friday 12:00 it came out. Even when I was in hospital getting a procedure done or AJ broke his leg and etc etc all kinds of

things have happened to us we've done it but what was also happening was that like what AJ just said it was getting difficult in the sense it was taking up a lot of my bandwidth it wasn't take

difficult in terms of the actual logistics like the way we would do it is uh once in 6 weeks we would gather at a friend's farmhouse and we would u uh over 3 days we would shoot six episodes

two episodes on each day so it was just 3 days every 6 weeks. It wasn't a big deal. But I also produced the show. So

deal. But I also produced the show. So

therefore, I would create uh you know after uh Namsita would send the rough cut to me, I would create the list of inserts that you see on the screen right now with all of these you know

painstaking details and uh then Namsa and I would be chatting over the edit every day. We'd be in touch and then the

every day. We'd be in touch and then the thing would release on Friday and it was rinse and repeat every week and it was taking up mind space and as you know there are other things I want to do.

you've been on my case that hey write that book, write this book, etc., etc. But I just found that even though I can bank episodes of the scene and the unseen and that's fortnightly now, so less stress. This was just on my mind

less stress. This was just on my mind all the time. And I just didn't want to stop this because I love the show. AJ

and I both love the show. We didn't want to stop it on our own. We would not have stopped the show. But then when we chatted, I found he's got reasons, I've got reasons. We said, you know what,

got reasons. We said, you know what, fine. You know, we don't have to hold on

fine. You know, we don't have to hold on to this. You know, good things come to

to this. You know, good things come to an end, but more good things are born out of that. No man steps in the same river twice and it's been a beautiful show. We've really enjoyed uh hanging

show. We've really enjoyed uh hanging out. We've really enjoyed doing this. So

out. We've really enjoyed doing this. So

uh so yeah, so that's why the you know the sad news before you you have all our uh episodes so far 2 and 1/2 years of work to um uh go through and but we also

have our lives to live and we have to consider the trade-offs that we are making. So, so yeah, it's better to kind

making. So, so yeah, it's better to kind of u you know end on a note where we can look back with happiness and we can look ahead uh in our lives.

Amit when I look back I'm truly happy and proud about what we did. So you know last few days are this bittersweet mode

of coming to the end of this and uh both of us I'm sure you are also looking back and looking at this edifice. So I want

to claim something important that we did. Okay we come from a country where

did. Okay we come from a country where statism is all pervasive by default for everybody. Government is the answer.

everybody. Government is the answer.

State coercion more and more state coercion is the way in which everything is approached and everything is done. Um

when people have thought at a deeper level about uh reimagining this country in a different way, it has often been

done in a small peacemeal manner. And

actually any one small peacemeal element doesn't quite work because all the other elements are also being distorted by a state dominated way. I feel everything

is everything has done something good and unique that it represents a complete picture. It represents a single way of

picture. It represents a single way of thinking where we put the people first where we put freedom and consent and agency at the heart of the story that

that is the engine of human progress.

that is the engine of how we as individuals and as a country make progress and yeah we need a state and the state needs to do certain things but it's not the essence and I think our

unique contribution has been that we've been able to do this broad sweep of many different subjects and bring a consistent intellectual toolkit to apply

to many different things and I feel that hasn't been done before you know so I mean I've written many papers uh done three books but I've never seen this

kind of internally consistent picture across more than 100 episodes where we come at many different things one at a

time I want to escalate one step bigger okay so there is a very crude model in economics uh which is called the solo model it tells a story where output is a

function of labor and capital okay so you're supposed to put some amount of labor and some amount of capital and then you get GDP out of it and there is one magic number in there which is productivity

and in the early years after independence people thought that oh to get to being a rich country you need to put a lot of people to work and you need

to get a lot of capital okay so people view this in a causal way that if you put capital and if you put labor then you will get GDP and you need to improve the productivity I think over the last

20 Because we are understanding that there is something profoundly missing in this story. Okay, in this story

this story. Okay, in this story start at labor. Okay, here we are in India with an employment rate of

something like 36 or 38%. 38% of the persons of age 16 to 64 which is universally considered the labor force

is working. Okay, in a country like

is working. Okay, in a country like China this ratio is double. So the

problem is not that you don't have people in the country. The problem is that the people are not being put to work. And so there's no shortage of

work. And so there's no shortage of labor in a way. There are people but the people are not being harnessed. And so

you've got to go to the deeper question that why does firm formation not happen?

What hinders the ability of people to come up with business models which use the labor and get it going. Similarly on

the capitals. Okay. There is infinite capital in the world economy.

Why are Indian policy makers not able to do that capital account opening? Bring

down the cost of capital in India and get an infinite gain of more capital going into the countries. Why does that not happen? And then the third piece

not happen? And then the third piece that productivity this is about the emergence of high productivity firms. What makes the firms what is this black box called a firm? What creates the

incentives for high capability firms to come about? I feel we've got to start

come about? I feel we've got to start thinking about all these things at a deeper deeper level. That simple

development economics or growth economics where you think about the amount of capital, the amount of labor, some productivity, you get GDP. It's

missing the essence of what makes that capital happen. It is the problems of

capital happen. It is the problems of the financial system and the lack of openness of the capital account. What

makes the Indian employment rate perhaps half of what it ought to be which is about the working of the firms and the lack of firm formation and what makes

the productivity of the Indian firms low which is a thousand elements of the Indian institutional apparatus which don't create the correct checks and balances and the creative destruction through which highquality firms will

emerge.

I feel if we pull together ei stories that why is India poor? Why is

capital and labor not getting mobilized into highquality firms to make a successful prosperous country? And I

think that's nice >> in a sense. You know, what we've I think done with this show is fused public purpose with private passion. Like uh

you know this is everything that you spoke about is points to a public purpose but it's something that you've been passionate about all your life and uh it's pretty much the same with me but I also have other private passions which

we've kind of spoken about on the show.

You know, I used to think of the scene and the unseen earlier and think of it as not a series of discrete conversations but one long conversations spreading across many many episodes and uh in theund and something episodes of

everything is everything that's kind of been the case that there are threads you can pull that there is a thread of episodes on the state episode 25 was foundational 26 was foundational the

public choice episode I think 34 or 37 that was foundational you know so if you want to think about the state and society and the relationship between them. I think there are a bunch of

them. I think there are a bunch of episodes that come together for that.

Equally firms right uh the centrality of firms to growth is something that I hadn't fully internalized till I started doing everything is everything with you and again we have a bunch of great

episodes on firms that tie together. So

over the months at different points we've tackled different aspects of it.

Equally, we have strong foundational episodes on basic subjects like the beauty of finance episode 21 or our episode on education where I think both of us put a lifetime of synthesized

learning and thinking about education into that one episode and it's one of our most popular episodes for a reason.

Equally, we did our episode on development economics, something both you and I feel very strongly about and the world today is following the wrong fashions. You know, we have to ask why

fashions. You know, we have to ask why is India poor? What can we do about it?

So I'd urge you gentle listeners check out that episode that has a lot um an early episode on why freedom matters which is really India's economic history

story. Equally you worked in a bunch of

story. Equally you worked in a bunch of areas really deeply and you shared all of that knowledge in a series of episodes for example on Indian finance a

journey of Indian finance uh you know and uh topics within that like bankruptcy topics within that like inflation targeting and we've constantly

gone back to basic principles sometimes we've looked at the great papers of the past like four papers that changed the world right some uh sometimes we've looked at counterintuitive ways of thinking about the world like our

episode on luxury beliefs. Um I have gone >> one of the best episodes the art of reading.

>> The art of reading we where we we sort of went into uh our private passions like the art of reading certainly because we both love books and that was a chance to talk about why and how you

can read better. In my case uh I had a couple of episodes on chess. The second

one was really more life lessons in chess. It never really took off. I don't

chess. It never really took off. I don't

know why because I I love that episode.

We spoke about our atheism. I had an episode on cricket. Uh we had an episode on poker. Uh and so we've just done a

on poker. Uh and so we've just done a bunch of things where we freewheled around. We've had episodes where you

around. We've had episodes where you know both of us are not just dry people who are into ideas and abstract thoughts. We are inspired by stories.

thoughts. We are inspired by stories.

Stories illuminate the world. So we had a bunch of episodes and stories that should be films. So it wasn't just serious stuff. We had a lot of fun doing

serious stuff. We had a lot of fun doing this and uh I hope you had a lot of fun watching this.

Amit, you've built seand you built everything is everything. We have an episode on the art of podcasting.

Can you look back at this whole story and look for higher order uh lessons and ideas that should go back to us and to our gentle readers?

>> I won't talk about the scene in the unseen now. That's a separate journey.

unseen now. That's a separate journey.

I've spoken about that before most notably in our art of podcasting episode. I want to talk about everything

episode. I want to talk about everything is everything. You know this was so dear

is everything. You know this was so dear to me not just because we have we created a great product but also that the learnings in it shaped me and changed who I was or at least didn't

there were no radical new things I learned from the show but a lot of uh vague ideas I had was solidified and my belief in them was strengthened. Number

one have a bias for action. You know uh you and I spoke about doing this show. I

was trying to convince you we should do a show together some 3 years ago, four years ago, I forget when we were at a conference in Udaur and and I have discussed many ideas with many people over the years. I literally have 50

YouTube ideas like in my room research I have you know a creative ideas folder where there are many many ideas solo vlog do a show with this person etc etc. But the difference is that you and I

took action. We went into it. We said,

took action. We went into it. We said,

"Let's just start. We knew we would be imperfect at the start. We knew that it would probably be Some early moments make us cringe." But we said, "No, no, we got to start." And once we started, once we established that

cadence that okay, every Friday 12:00 it drops. We stuck to that. And only

drops. We stuck to that. And only

through iteration do you get better. And

the important thing is that you need a place to begin. And we began. So that's

something I tell all creators. And this

is a dangerous phrase bias for action because as AJ has often pointed out when it comes to the state you don't want a bias for action. You want a gradual process of you know many stakeholders involved. You get a diversity of

involved. You get a diversity of opinions and then you should act because every act by the state is deeply consequential. But when it comes to

consequential. But when it comes to individual creators I believe the biggest lesson that uh has been reinforced by everything is everything is that yes bias for action is good. Go

for it. My second lesson is something that our friend when Sithapati once told me in an old episode of the seal in the unseen where I was talking about his uh you know how he wrote the book and he said don't let perfection get in the way

of production and that's a beautiful lesson too often what happens is that when we embark upon something we face a trade-off between getting it done and getting it right and what I've always

emphasized is that uh in the creator economy getting it done is important in fact getting it done is the path to getting it right production is a part to perfection. You only become good at

perfection. You only become good at something by iterating again and again and again and again. And therefore, you should not let perfection get in the way. You know, our early episodes, you

way. You know, our early episodes, you know, actually all our episodes to some extent have something or the other wrong with them. I especially must tell you

with them. I especially must tell you gentle read, I don't like the way I look on camera. In my seen unseen days, I

on camera. In my seen unseen days, I used to say I have a face for audio. Uh

so I I would often cringe and still cringe uh you know when I would look at footage but I just told myself that boss you know stop getting conscious we got

to get the job done we got to put it out don't worry frame because I you know in my written pieces there is always one typo that creeps through always it's unavoidable right

that's just me and generally if they're published online some reader within an hour will say and I correct it so similarly when we speak there are always typos verbal typos will just happen and

you can cringe or you can say that just let it goal if viewers are watching in good faith it doesn't matter just kind of go with it uh so that's that's an important lesson I'd give to all your

your creators that whatever you're doing you know production over perfection just keep getting it out and a related frame I'll share part of the same point really is economist talk of stock and flow

right so stock is like wealth it's just there and flow is like your income it comes it comes it comes flow her check and I have applied that concept to the

creator economy where you have stock and flow where stock is something that will last for a long time like the books you write like in service of the republic and obviously your great book on taxation that is coming up with arrand

I'm fully convinced it's going to be great so uh no doubt about that so uh that is stock that remains future generations learn from it like I in a

very different context I love this metaphor by Philip Larkin from his poem this be the verse where he says man hands on misery to man it deepens like a coastal shelf now I think of knowledge also as a coastal shelf that there are

layers and layers of knowledge on it and all our stock goes into those layers of knowledge the flow doesn't flow is different flow is when you're doing a weekly column flow is when you're doing a blog post flow is when you're doing

episodes of the show though episodes of this show in a sense the show put together as AJ expressed in the last chapter is also a stock of knowledge it's a repository but at the same time the approach approach you have to take

to it is that it's flow. You don't aim for perfection there. You can aim for perfection in your book because they will last for they will outlive you. But

for this you just have to think aloud in real time as it were sometimes you have to get it out there. You know one the process of getting it out there of expressing yourself makes you a better

thinker and two uh you know the feedback that you get from people who watch it and you know they will often point out little holes in your argument or gaps in your knowledge and that's also useful.

So flow is important and you have to be clear about what you're doing. Is it

mainly stock or is it mainly flow? If

it's a book, you can agitate over it.

You can think about it. You can try to make it perfect. But if it is flow, if you're writing a column, if you're doing a blog post, if you're writing a newsletter post, if you're doing a show like this, just keep getting it out.

Just keep getting it out. That's what

you need to sharpen the mind and keep the creative muscle going. My third

learning and again something that I became convinced of back in the days when the scene in the unseen took off is that it's better to be loved by a few than liked by many. This is a phraseology used by Paul Graham in the

context of startups. I fully believe in this. Love by a few like is better than

this. Love by a few like is better than being liked by many. So you have less numbers but you have far deeper engagement and that deeper engagement manifests itself in the love that people give to you. you know so often I get

stopped by someone at an airport or a Starbucks or like every time I go to Blossoms bookstore in Bangalore two people are going to come up to me and I guess that is a hub of the kind of people who um listen to seen unseen or

watch everything is everything um and that's great that depth of engagement is great they're more willing to buy the other things you do like your courses expensive or otherwise because it trusts you that credibility is there you know

YouTube comments can often be all over the place but our comment section I'm proud to report is just wonderful So thank you all because the kind of discourse you get there, the polite disagreements, people adding different

points of view. I have met three or four people just because they've left really interesting comments and reached out later. So the quality of this course and

later. So the quality of this course and I think we made a difference there and that happens if you're loved by a few and liked by many. If you aim to be liked by many people like if you're watching this, you might think that hey you know uh I want to start a YouTube

channel. Let me see what is trending.

channel. Let me see what is trending.

I'll make a video on that. And I

guarantee you that is a part to mediocrity. Guarantee you everybody is

mediocrity. Guarantee you everybody is chasing that. Rather than that, embrace

chasing that. Rather than that, embrace yourself, be who you are, and things will work out. Which takes me to my next point. And my next point is that it is

point. And my next point is that it is both easy and rewarding to be authentic.

The hardest thing in the world is to pretend to be someone else. Yeah, you

and I have never pretended to be anybody else. We are who we are with all our

else. We are who we are with all our imperfections and attitudes and whatever and our typos. So thank you for you know uh tolerating all my fumbles but we are

who we are and in the long run if you're going to do something for a long time a any pretense that you put up will lead to content that is contrived others will see through it it will not be

interesting so it is just too difficult uh it is far easier to just be yourself and it is ultimately far more rewarding to just be yourself that when you are

yourself then people make that human connection a story I keep going back to is I had once recorded an episode with Abhinand Sikri of the scene and the unseen and someone watching that said that I felt so much that I'm sitting with two friends and chatting in my

living room that at one point I interrupted you and I loved that story because it tells you the intimacy of the medium. There was a time when stars were

medium. There was a time when stars were larger than life but today is such an intimate medium. We have an episode in

intimate medium. We have an episode in the creator economy also where I talk about some of this but today it's an intimate medium and that's beautiful. So

if you're starting off as a creator, I would advise you just be yourself. One,

it is easy. And B, that is the only thing that people will relate to and that is the only unique thing about you.

Like each of us, the only thing we have that sets us apart from the other 8 billion people on this planet is that I am I, you are you. You know, we can't pretend to be anything else. So just

embrace yourself, own yourself, and it'll be fine. My fifth point is that really it is a community which matters.

You know, you and I have had so many good conversations with people who watched the show. They've shared ideas.

They have disagreed. They've said what about this, what about that? Uh they've

left comments, they've met us in person, etc., etc. And in the end, that community is what matters. That

community is deep. Even if you look at it from a monetary angle, what I am convinced about is that if you are a creator and you want to monetize, you can only monetize the community, the people who really care about you.

Advertising will die. I've often spoken about how if you look at the 1990s model for a creator, let's say I want to write in the 1990s, I want to write 800word articles or I want to share my opinions.

I u you know sell an article to the Indian Express. I have to go through a

Indian Express. I have to go through a gatekeeper. There's a particular form I

gatekeeper. There's a particular form I have to stick to. Uh there's a particular um house style I have to cater to. Uh the I have to be in the

cater to. Uh the I have to be in the news cycle like write about something in the news cycle is restrictive. I'll only

come out once in a while because they won't let me write every day for them.

and they aggregate such content and they use it to gather eyeballs and then they sell those eyeballs to advertisers and I get a tiny chunk of that. So I want to tell you that whole model is gone. It's

gone and there's a lag between new institutions coming up, new ways of being coming up but the two middlemen there, the Times of India and the advertiser are gone. Today you're

reaching your viewer directly, your gentle readers directly. And if they care about you, they'll be happy to pay because whenever I read an article by you, Ajasha, I'm actually paying for it.

Even if it's free on the internet, I'm giving it my time and attention. My time

and attention are worth something. My

time is worth money. My attention is equals to energy. I'm spending that on you. I value the content. If I had a way

you. I value the content. If I had a way to pay for it, I would. And increasingly

that is turning out to be the case. So

what I've realized is that the real value is in community. And quite

honestly, we haven't even bothered to try and monetize our community in the 100 different ways that are out there because that's not the point. The point

is you kind of the bu building that community, enriching the discourse, playing to that higher purpose. That's

what really matters.

My sixth point is that if you are a creator today, you have so much freedom and everything is everything is an example of that. Like if we take this take took a show like this to mainstream media, they would laugh us out of the

room that what you're going to talk about inflation targeting and you're going to talk about bankruptcy code and two random people talking about an R and you aren't even like glamorous amazing people like it's not content

>> and neither is a good-looking woman.

None neither of us is a a good-looking woman though uh you know I think um your good looks and your shirts are legendary but quite apart from that uh that's not

an angle but or consider the scene and the unseen you're going to have 10-hour conversations with boring economists like what the hell but the thing is that we have the means of production at our hand we wanted to do something we did it

right we didn't have to go through a gatekeeper we had the means of production at our hands we didn't have to worry about form I wanted to make seen pregnancy in 8 hours. We thought

we'll do the show 1 hour. Sometimes

you're in the mood. We are like, let's take it to 90 minutes, 2 hours.

Sometimes you're in the mood, we are like, let's split it into two episodes.

We do what we want. We have the freedom of form. We have the freedom of talking

of form. We have the freedom of talking about what we want to talk about. You

know, would a mainstream channel take an episode like, you know, the human sexuality episode we did? I'm not sure.

But we can do whatever we want because it is us. We can be authentic. You know,

we can throw things at the wall. We can

be ourselves. we can discover ourselves in the process of experimenting with who we are and how we express that. So I

think that's amazing. That's that's a huge lesson that we've learned from everything is everything and that's a lesson I encourage all of you to sort of take forward. If you are a creative

take forward. If you are a creative person and a creative person doesn't only mean writer filmmaker you could be creating educational content. You could

be thinking in creative ways about some what to do in the social sector. It

doesn't actually mean putting audiovisisual out there or putting creative product out there. All of us are creative in different ways and now we are empowered by technology and all these wonderful tools and that just

makes me really happy. And my final point is playing the long game right when we started you and I had a pack gentle readers I sat AJ down and I convinced him that here is the deal we are going to do this for 2 years without

looking at the numbers. Now this man did not obey me he kept looking at the analytics but my thinking was for 2 years we won't look at the numbers. Uh I

took inspiration from something Ali Abdal once said in one of his episodes that he said if you're starting a YouTube channel say you're doing two episodes a week for two years just don't

look at the numbers right and the reason for that is profound and deep and something that I have thought about a lot and discovered myself is that the moment you aim for validation the moment

outside applause matters to you you know you start dumbing yourself down you start not being yourself you move away from the authenticity that makes you special that makes your journey

relatable and if validation matters to you it will never come at the start because you will suck at the start right you learn and get better only by constant iteration right when we started

you were so awkward and clumsy Ajasha today you're a consumate professional put a camera in front of Aisha and he's like nailing it so uh you know so to make that journey to excellence you have

to stop caring about what other people think you have to be internally driven so my lesson here is also a lesson in public policy you have shared and we have spoken about which is play the long

game right play the long game don't think about I want to get a great episode out now what will my friend say oh look the lighting isn't good or oh look I'm looking so fat or whatever get

that out of the way you're playing the long game you're leaving a body of work that will last you for a long time a dear friend of mine who went on to start a successful podcast once asked me back

in the a few years ago when the scene and the unseen was doing well what advice would I have to give her and I told that here's my advice. Don't think

of what your audience will uh consume on episode 1. Think of what they will binge

episode 1. Think of what they will binge at episode 100, right? Build that body of work. It is a repository. And in a

of work. It is a repository. And in a sense, it is flow becoming stock. You

know, build that body of work. Play the

long game. And that's my final uh lesson. We've played the long game with

lesson. We've played the long game with the show. We've left it out there. In a

the show. We've left it out there. In a

sense, it isn't over because these episodes are still out there for you for everyone to watch. And in our own lives, we continue to play the long game.

Everything dies, baby. That's a fact.

Everything that dies someday comes back.

I don't see this as a end for everything is everything. Okay. So, I think you

is everything. Okay. So, I think you have the energy, the creativity, the knowledge, the passion to resurrect this

in various ways. And I dearly dearly hope that you will do so that there is something here in terms of the ethos,

the people, the audience and you must apply yourself and resurrect this.

>> No, thank you for what I thought. Um

I do want to do more things on YouTube one day, but for the reasons I gave at the start of the show, this is the time to take a pause and do some writing and kind of uh get some chill back in my life. Um various people have said that

life. Um various people have said that don't let the show die do it with someone else and uh someone both of us deeply admire prane immediately came to mind pranas I chatted with him and his

feeling and I kind of agree with him is that everything is everything is you and me people associate it with us I'll do a separate product one day with prane we'll do a fun product there'll be Bollywood there'll be Hindi there'll be

many other things and it just feels kind of odd to do it under this particular name and people are saying oh you built a brand and why is the algorithm but I And my plan for the channel always was there'll be different shows. This will

be one of them. There'll be other shows on the same channel. So I guess uh you know if you're following us please hit follow again because I will do more work at some point in time in the indeterminate future. So it'll come on

indeterminate future. So it'll come on this channel. Uh but uh everything is

this channel. Uh but uh everything is everything. I feel for that particular

everything. I feel for that particular brand the journey is done. There's no

need to be nostalgic. The journey has been great. We've learned a lot. We are

been great. We've learned a lot. We are

you know a part of us will always be uh you know what the show has given us. So

thank you AJ for coming on her journey with me. It's been good.

with me. It's been good.

>> Thank you Amit for bringing me into this journey.