The Power Of The Rosary (With Gabriel Castillo) | The Catholic Talk Show

Welcome back to another episode of the Catholic Talk Show. Today we're joined by Gabriel Castillo to talk about his new book and the power of the rosary.

We're going to discuss why the rosary is such a powerful sacramental and why our lady is using that as a chain to pull

you closer to her son Jesus Christ.

[Music] Well, Gabriel, uh, we've wanted to have

you on the show for a long time. I'm

glad that we finally have gotten the opportunity to connect, particularly around this new book that you have, The Power of the Rosary. Um, I've seen the stuff that you've put out. I mean, you do a great job and your Marian devotion

is really evident. So, I think this is a perfect person to talk to about just how powerful the rosary can be in your life.

how this simple devotional, this simple chain of beads can hold multitudes of graces within it. So, Gabriel, welcome to the Catholic Talk Show.

>> Ryan, thank you for having me on. I love

your program. I love all of the Ryan, Ryan, and Father Pagano. All you guys what you're doing is beautiful and very inspiring. So, keep up the good work.

inspiring. So, keep up the good work.

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it too. So, Gabe, what is your prayer life like? How is

the rosary central to it?

>> So, for me, the rosary is like the foundation of all the aspects of my life. I think it's important that

life. I think it's important that whenever you discuss a devotion like the rosary or the divine mercy chaplet that people keep in mind the end game like

the end isn't how many prayers that I say the end is union with Christ and so in my particular life I focus on four areas of having like a deep union with

Christ and obviously first and foremost that's Jesus and holy communion the sacrament of confession to fix my heart when I've gone astray but there's three other elements of becoming like Christ

or theosis or becoming holy that a lot of people don't think about and they have to each of them play an integral part of our life and so that is all of the saints have been unanimous in saying

that mental prayer a meditative encountering of Christ particularly in the gospels is absolutely essential not only for holiness but really for

salvation like if I don't spend time with Christ and visualizing his life then how can I know him and if I don't know him? How can I love him? So that's

know him? How can I love him? So that's

essential. Some sort of mental prayer in your spiritual life. Union with the will of God. It's very easy in Christianity

of God. It's very easy in Christianity especially to run to Mary or to run to Jesus when something is wrong and then ask God for help and then go back to our

lives the way that we want to live them.

And the real like sign of holiness according to St. Maximian KBY is union with the will of God. Seeking to do God's will. not just like my large

God's will. not just like my large vocation but like every day throughout the day to kind of make an act of recollection and be like Lord what are you asking of me how are you asking that

I behave in this particular situation.

So mental prayer, union with the will of God. And then the last one which is

God. And then the last one which is absolutely essential and unfortunately because of the influence of our Protestant brothers and sisters, we we try to think of Mary as kind of like

icing on the cake where Mary because she is the mother of the body of Christ and Christians were called to be members of the body of Christ. She has an intrinsic

role like an a a role that not only happened at the enunciation in forming the body of Christ, but she has an intrinsic role of forming the body of Christ right here and right now and in

the life of every great saint who has ever lived. You've always seen devotion

ever lived. You've always seen devotion to our Lord in the sacraments, but also the second love of every saint is the Virgin Mary who forms the Christian. And

it's important also like to to keep in mind that this is a personal maternal relationship. She isn't just like I'm

relationship. She isn't just like I'm checking off. I did my Mary and

checking off. I did my Mary and devotion, but she wants to have a real motherly role. And that means that I can

motherly role. And that means that I can run to her when I'm suffering. I can cry to her and she will console me. But

ultimately, her number one desire is to form me more perfectly into the body of Christ. So when I keep all of these

Christ. So when I keep all of these things in mind, then and only then can I properly appreciate how the rosary opens me up to the sacraments. How the rosary

integrates mental prayer every every single day. Where many people do little

single day. Where many people do little to no mental prayer, the rosary ensures that I spend at least 15 minutes doing that. And the rosary is one of the

that. And the rosary is one of the greatest prayers for discerning the will of God, fighting off desolations. And

then obviously it's the most concrete form of that famous phrase that Mary's the quickest, fastest, and easiest way to Jesus Christ through the rosary. Most

especially, you look at Christ through Mary's eyes and you love Christ through Mary's heart. So it for me it's the

Mary's heart. So it for me it's the foundation of many other things.

>> That's right. You know, a lot of people are uncomfortable with Mary.

Protestants, even Catholics, they they feel that it is uh well anti-scriptural.

They they feel that it's um um a deviation from going right towards Christ. But those same people will have

Christ. But those same people will have no problem saying, "Oh, my grandmother was such a great woman, such a saint.

She did so much to help me in the faith.

Oh, you know, pastor, you know, whomever, he's so wonderful. He helps me understand scripture. He brings me to

understand scripture. He brings me to church. He accompanies me in my sorrow."

church. He accompanies me in my sorrow."

or hey, you know, my friends are great and they are all men of God and they iron sharpens iron and they are willing to throw all the laurels and all the roses on all the people around them who

help lead them to Christ. But when it's Christ's own mother, they're like, I don't know. I mean, pretty much anyone can lead me to Jesus besides that, you know, Catholic Mary thing, right? And I

think that's so backwards. And I look at those people and I feel pity for them.

Not in a condescending way, but what are you and you don't have a mother? you're

an orphan. And I feel that a lot of times these people are spiritual orphans. And this rosary, the rosary is,

orphans. And this rosary, the rosary is, you know, it's a Marian devotion, but it's the gospel on a string. And even in our Mary's psalter, she's pointing towards Christ, reflecting the light of

Christ. So, how do you talk to people

Christ. So, how do you talk to people about the rosary and helping them overcome maybe some of those um >> misunderstandings about marology?

>> Right. So I like to think of the rosary as the greatest prayer. This was said by many great saints, many popes that after the sacred liturgy that the rosary is the greatest prayer. And I heard that

growing up and I was wondering like is this just something pious that we say or is it really the greatest prayer? And so

I say if it's true that should be the greatest prayer for Protestants, the greatest prayer for Eastern Orthodox. We

don't just pray a particular prayer because that's just what Catholics do.

If there is a greater prayer, regardless of what Catholics do, we should do that.

And so I think the rosary, especially if a Protestant is being objective and like taking their hands off and not saying this is a Catholic thing. If a

Protestant really loves the gospel, there is no greater gospel prayer than the Holy Rosary. The vocal prayers and the mental prayers. So the words that we

say and the things that we think about come 100% from the gospels. At least as the rosary was presented to St. Dominic,

the our father comes from our Lord Jesus Christ. The Hail Mary. Many times

Christ. The Hail Mary. Many times

Protestants will be critical and say, "Well, that's like a prayer to Mary."

It's actually the most christocentric prayer. It's the words that were

prayer. It's the words that were bringing about the the turning point in salvation history. The Hail Mary may

salvation history. The Hail Mary may have come from the mouth of the angel Gabriel, but he is a messenger of God the Father. Then we hear from St.

the Father. Then we hear from St.

Elizabeth, blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. Who's saying that? Yes, it's

womb. Who's saying that? Yes, it's

Elizabeth, but she's filled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the

Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the author of these words. So,

just from the very pure words themselves like these are words that you can say and ponder and we might be pondering them for all of eternity. The fact that God would become a man. So, the words

that we say is 100% gospel. But then the most important part and a lot of times Catholics even get this confused.

They're so focused on saying our fathers and hail Marys. But Louis de Manford, blessed Allen, Pas, John Paul II, Pope Benedict the 16th, they all were unanimous that the words as holy as they

are, they're like a body without a soul if you do not have uh a mental engagement of your intellect on the life

of Jesus Christ. And so in the rosary, depending on how many you pray, but let's say you're just praying one rosary a day of five decades, you're you're going through the early life of Christ or you're going through the public

ministry of Christ or the sorrowful passion of Christ or his glorious resurrection. So your mind is engaged

resurrection. So your mind is engaged with Jesus Christ and the words because they're sacred scripture, they stir up the Holy Spirit around you for this encounter with Christ in the mysteries.

And I think that a lot of times Catholics as well will say, "Well, I forget where I was at on my beads. Like

I was praying and then all of a sudden like a couple seconds have passed or a couple minutes have passed and I don't remember where I was at and then they start all over." The words, as beautiful as they are, as important as they are,

they're secondary to that encounter with Christ. So if you get lost in

Christ. So if you get lost in encountering Christ in your imagination, praise be to God for that. Go on to the next decade. This is not like something

next decade. This is not like something that we need to be scrupulous about.

>> Yeah. You know, another common thing that I'll hear is that the the rosary contradicts the um admonition of Christ to not pray like the pagans and have

vain repetitions. And it was uh our

vain repetitions. And it was uh our buddy, I think you know him, uh Keith Nester, he said something great. I love

it. He's like

>> because he's a former Protestant, right?

So, he had to probably overcome a lot of these things. And he told me, he's like,

these things. And he told me, he's like, "The big thing is is that they're repetitions, but they're not in vain."

Vain repetitions one thing but repetitions not in vanity is what the angels do. They pray unceasingly. You

angels do. They pray unceasingly. You

know if you were to go to a Protestant do you love the our father? Absolutely.

Okay. Say the our father. They say our father. Would you say it again? No way.

father. Would you say it again? No way.

That's repetition. Right. So you know what's the cool down period between prayers? Right. So if they're

prayers? Right. So if they're cristocentric it's not in vain. You're

not like you said there's um there's a soul to the body of the prayer. I don't

think there is any other prayer that's more powerful. And you've heard it said

more powerful. And you've heard it said so many times that either you will if you pray the rosary, you either stop sinning or you stop saying the rosary.

Right? And that is invariably true in every person I've ever met. You know, if they start praying the rosary regularly, their life reforms and when they stop praying the rosary, all of their bad

habits, all their concubisence creeps back in. So Gabe, what's your personal

back in. So Gabe, what's your personal story? How did you come to love the

story? How did you come to love the rosary so much and be such a apostle for it?

>> Yes. So I am a child who grew up without a father and not only did I grow up without a father, I grew up without the secondary religion. So like we learn who

secondary religion. So like we learn who God is through our parents. So that's

like my first encounter with who God is.

So I didn't have a father. So that

confused me from a very early age about the meaning of life, about the complimentarity of the sexes, how men and women should treat each other with dignity and respect. And then I also didn't have faith growing up. I made my

first holy communion when I was in middle school just as a like check this off the box because my grandmother was very devout and she died and so was like in honor of my grandmother, I'll make

first holy communion. But no religious education whatsoever. And so I was

education whatsoever. And so I was raised by the world and of course the world teaches that the meaning and purpose of life is money, sex and power.

And so I was not very powerful and I had no money but I could at least try sexual conquest. And so from an early age

conquest. And so from an early age probably like I don't know 13 years old I got addicted to pornography. I was

looking at pornography every single day.

Uh thanks be to God I got a scholarship to the University of St. Thomas where I began to take theology and philosophy courses and was ideologically convicted

of the truths of the Catholic faith. I

was searching for reasons why I was bad.

And so when we were learning about concupisence, I felt like a huge like light went off in my mind. I was like that explains it. Concupisence. This is

why I'm so cruel to the ones that I love and I try to reform my life and I can't seem to do it. And I began to take like go through the confirmation classes etc.

And I was becoming very involved with campus ministry. But my moral life was

campus ministry. But my moral life was still deeply deeply corrupted. And on

one occasion, it was on Ash Wednesday, we were meeting in the campus ministry and I had one of the greatest campus ministers that God could have given me, a spicy nun. Like the kind of nun who is

not mean. She's very loving and good,

not mean. She's very loving and good, but she doesn't take anybody's BS. And

so we're going around the circle and everybody's saying what they're going to give up for Lent. And she's like, "Oh, that's great. That's great." And then

that's great. That's great." And then I'm like, "Chocolate? I'm going to give up chocolate and I'm going to give up, you know, sugar and sweets." And then she like very bluntly, she was like, "No, how about you give up sin?" Like,

"Stop sinning because at this point I'm living like a very duplicitous life. I'm

going to parties, trying to hook up with girls, and at the same time then receiving holy communion in the state of mortal sin on a regular basis."

So that evening I went home and I was trying to implement this. I'm not going to sin for all of Lent. That's a great resolution. I had not tried that before.

resolution. I had not tried that before.

And just within moments of getting home, like I abandoned my resolution, went back into my ingrained habits of looking at pornography and committing solitary

sin. So that evening, I had a moment of

sin. So that evening, I had a moment of true contrition where I was like, "God, I'm sorry. Like I'm I'm a like I It

I'm sorry. Like I'm I'm a like I It sounds bad. People don't like to say

sounds bad. People don't like to say this, but I'm a bad person. Like, I am terrible. I'm I'm sinning mortally. I've

terrible. I'm I'm sinning mortally. I've

not cared. I've been receiving Holy Communion unworthily. I've been just

Communion unworthily. I've been just horrible. And so, I had this genuine

horrible. And so, I had this genuine true contrition. And when I vocalized

true contrition. And when I vocalized that out loud, I heard back audibly exactly what I was saying, but in a a

mocking, high-pitched, scary tone. And

so, the next day, I went to campus ministry. I told my my religious sister

ministry. I told my my religious sister who was guiding me and I said, "Sister, this happened." I don't know if she

this happened." I don't know if she believed me or not, but she gave me a rosary and was very insistent. She's

like, "Well, you need to pray." I was like, "Sister, I'm scared to go to my room." She's like, "Well, you have to go

room." She's like, "Well, you have to go to your room. You need to pray." So, she gave me a pamphlet on the rosary. And I

had never prayed the rosary on my own before. Maybe I had said it like in a

before. Maybe I had said it like in a group setting or something like that.

>> And when I pulled out the pamphlet and I began to read the Apostles Creed, I said, "I believe." And when I said I believe, a physical force grabbed me,

pinned me down on the bed, began to choke me. I tried to scream from my

choke me. I tried to scream from my mother that was in the other room. I

couldn't get any words out. I don't know how, but I heard interiorly in my intellect, so I think it was my guardian angel, a a voice that said, "Pray." And

I just couldn't get words out. And

again, it said inside my head, "Pray in your head. Pray the Hail Mary." And so

your head. Pray the Hail Mary." And so as I got the words of the Hail Mary in my mind to be said, like thinking them, I was able to gasp out the words, "Hail

Mary." And the moment that the word Mary

Mary." And the moment that the word Mary left my lips, the room returned back to normal. the for the force left my chest

normal. the for the force left my chest and I just had this deep understanding of the importance of Mary that I needed

her that whatever was happening in my life that my way out was going to be through our lady that this spirit which I now understand that I had with me

probably since childhood. The spirit did not want me getting close to Mary. That

it it showed itself once I was about to pray the rosary. And

so I radically transformed my life after that. I got rid of all my pornography. I

that. I got rid of all my pornography. I

got rid of all my bad music, all the bad movies. I went throughout the house and

movies. I went throughout the house and found any like new age or religious imagery. Like my mom had some Buddhist

imagery. Like my mom had some Buddhist statues in her house, some new age books. because we weren't living our

books. because we weren't living our faith. Uh that vacuum was filled with

faith. Uh that vacuum was filled with superstition. And

superstition. And although my house was clean, my soul still wasn't. So I was now what I now

still wasn't. So I was now what I now know was experiencing diabolical obsessions where the the intellect is flooded with perverse imagery and then

to the point where it feels that the will is being impacted. Like, so in order for me not to commit mortal sin, like it felt like I had to take every fiber of my effort like to not give in

to these thoughts and to this temptation. And I noticed that when I

temptation. And I noticed that when I prayed the rosary, I had a strengthening that my my mind um could see that this is like wrong. I'm putting the life of

Christ in my in my imagination. And now

I understand was that so the devil's primary means of temptation happens in the intellect. He puts little bad

the intellect. He puts little bad thoughts in her mind like no it this doesn't hurt anybody. Nobody's going to know. This is just you doing this in

know. This is just you doing this in your private time. And so by putting the life of Christ into your imagination, this actually goes a long way in helping

to reduce that kind of temptation because the life of Christ is like a divine fire which the enemy he he he can't overcome. The life of Christ is

can't overcome. The life of Christ is just pure victory. and then saying those sacred words, Hail Mary, full of grace, which marked the beginning of his end.

So, the rosary ended up becoming kind of like I don't want to say like my medication, but like like my antidote for diabolical obsession when I especially I know like I would just pray

rosaries until I wouldn't commit a mortal sin anymore. And I noticed that when I prayed all of the mysteries that and and when I say I wasn't doing like all the extra prayers. I was just doing like just the mysteries of Christ.

>> When I was pray when I was praying those >> I could I still felt temptation. But now

what I was wrestling with was more wrestling against the flesh and I had to learn to I would still fall into mortal sin but less and less. And I had to learn self-discipline. I had to learn to

learn self-discipline. I had to learn to like limit screen time. I had to learn to like avoid near occasions of sin. So

things that make you a man essentially.

Um but it was with the grace of the rosary and the mental prayer that I think that I was finally freed and I haven't you know struggled with that in I can't years and years and years and years. So

years. So >> you know it's it's pretty humble for you to share that >> uh you know all the different wounds and how those propagated through your life.

And you know, for so many of the people that I've talked to who are either exorcists or experts on demonology or demonic obsession, those childhood

wounds is one of the most common ways that uh evil exploits souls. Um, and

everyone has those. Everyone has those childhood wounds or those deep wounds.

And it's almost like a I don't know, you can justify your behavior because look, I've been wounded

>> and I deserve this to fill the room.

But it that's a lie. It never really actually addresses >> the loneliness, the aching, the hurt, >> the abandonment that people feel. And

when you you you you retreat to the shadows just like Adam and Eve look the first thing they want to do is you want to cover yourself up. You want to hide.

>> But when you know and every saint that I've ever read, there's a couple common things that lead to saintthood. Number

one, I think the most important and this is what Mary is the model of complete abandonment to the will of God. Complete

abandonment. That is the number one and most important thing and everything else flows towards that. The unity of the will with God. Two. is

>> humility, right? Being humble enough to be able to have that kind of abandonment. And then three, there is

abandonment. And then three, there is the devotion to our Lord in the blessed sacrament, source and summon of our faith, true communion with Christ. And

then a Marian devotion. You look up just about any saint besides, you know, maybe, you know, some martyr who >> you know, had a one-day conversion. They

all have that same commonality. Those

are the things that build saints.

And the rosary, I like to think of the rosary as that that thing that binds all those things together, right? Cuz you're trying to

together, right? Cuz you're trying to hold all these different aspects. And

sometimes it's easy to drop one and then you're like, "Okay, I'm just going to let that one chill there. I got these ones here." But the rosary binds them

ones here." But the rosary binds them up, holds them together, and creates kind of this this infrastructure to the prayer life, to the personal life, and to the moral life. And I just I can't

describe enough, you know, how different my life is in those times when I'm deeply devoted to the rosary. I mean,

your life changes. And if you don't believe me, if you're watching this and you're a Protestant, you're like, "These Catholic papists are out of their, you know, minds. They don't know what

know, minds. They don't know what they're talking about." I'm going to challenge every one of you. Or if you're a Catholic and haven't prayed in a while, I'm going to challenge you for one week. Say the rosary just one time

one week. Say the rosary just one time through whatever you know the mysteries for that day is for one week and then come back in these comments and tell me you do not feel a change. You do not

experience the power of the rosary. I

know it. I have faith in it and I have complete trust that our lady will intercede through her psalter and bring you closer to Christ and help to start the healing that you have always been

running from. Take the challenge. You

running from. Take the challenge. You

have nothing to lose. What do you have to lose? A better life. you have to 15

to lose? A better life. you have to 15 minutes a day praying. I want to challenge everyone to do that. So, you

know, Gabe, you've got this book, The Power of the Rosary. So, you're a very powerful speaker. You have an incredible

powerful speaker. You have an incredible um personal testimony. Um you've been doing a lot of great u evangelical work online for a long time. Tell me a little bit more about this book and what

inspired this and what are some of the things that people can expect to learn about the rosary through this book.

>> Right. So when I had my conversion, I went to the Catholic bookstore and I wanted to learn more about the weapon that was so powerful. Like here I'm praying this thing and I'm being

influenced for the good. I want to know how I can do this better. Where did this come from? All of that stuff. And at

come from? All of that stuff. And at

least in the early 2000s, mid 2000s, the only resource that I found that had the fire and the fervor of the saints was St. Louis de Montford's famous work, The

St. Louis de Montford's famous work, The Secret of the Rosary. And it was great and it gave me a foundation and it taught me about like the spiritual warfare aspect and how to pray it well.

But what it lacked was that it was 300 years old and didn't speak to my lived experience.

>> So a lot happened in the church and in the world over the past 300 years. Like

we if I were to go back in time and tell Louis de Montford, hey technically every child has a brothel in their pocket and then these same children will be groomed

to make their own pornography. He would

probably faint and die and that's the circumstance at least that I was being conflicted with. So that and then we've

conflicted with. So that and then we've had incredible church approved Marian apparitions where the rosary played a central mystery and lords of Fatima.

We've had the introduction of the luminous mysteries by St. Pope John Paul II. We've had

II. We've had >> I love the luminous mysteries.

>> Same. Same. So, we've had all of these major influences and because when I started promoting the rosary, I would get so many questions and I just wish

that there was a source that had authority and that had conviction and fervor. And so, I just made the resource

fervor. And so, I just made the resource myself. And one of the things that I

myself. And one of the things that I love most about the book is the origins and evolution of the rosary. It's the

second chapter of the book and just going over how the organic development of the rosary has happened

really answers a lot of interior questions. So you had mentioned that

questions. So you had mentioned that that we have wounds, interior wounds and that the devil hides behind those wounds and man there's so there's just you know

you could write books and books just about that topic alone but by taking a tour of the life of Christ and spending time with him slowly those wounds begin

to be healed when you come in contact in your interior with the healer. And so

when St. Dominic received the rosary to the blessed virgin Mary.

Throughout history, let me just say this, throughout history, the devil has attacked the rosary in its various phases and developments. And when, for example, St. Dominic received the

example, St. Dominic received the rosary, St. Dominic was a canon regular

rosary, St. Dominic was a canon regular uh of the Cathedral of Osma. So that's

why the Dominicans have their white habit. Dominic added the black cape. So

habit. Dominic added the black cape. So

he was wearing a white habit. When

Dominic would enter into deep prayer and when he was baptized, his godmother claimed to have seen a star hovering above his head. So Dominic, great,

incredible, powerful preacher, but unsuccessful at meeting the the great problems of the church in his era. And

so he went to prayer, fasting, mortification, offered himself essentially to God saying, "I will suffer anything. I'll fast. I'll pray. I

suffer anything. I'll fast. I'll pray. I

just need some grace. I need some tool or some means of reaching these hardened sinners and to call down the mercy of God and release the power of the Holy Spirit like was promised in the New

Testament. So, he went into deep prayer

Testament. So, he went into deep prayer mortification for three days. In the

middle of his prayer, he looks up at the sky. There's this large fireball coming

sky. There's this large fireball coming towards the earth being surrounded by three angels. He believes he's going to

three angels. He believes he's going to be consumed by fire. All of a sudden this fireball disappears and there is standing the blessed virgin Mary and there's a saying in Dave Verbum that

that which is a constitution on sacred word of God that sacred scripture is the soul of sound theology and so this is played out in the life of St. Dominic

when he receives from our lady the the command to go out and preach her psalter what she's really saying is preach these sacred scriptures preach the life of

Christ combined with those and the way you pray will change how people lives as you know there's a great latin axiom in the church lexarandi lex credendi

lexendi the law of prayer is the law of belief is the law of life so here and this is a great lesson for us today St.

Dominic is trying to reach the unbelievers of his time. So for example, you and I, we try to reach out and to to take away uh mental roadblocks for Protestants, but a Protestant will never

understand Mary from the outside. It has

to be something that is encountered interiorly. So Mary and devotion, even

interiorly. So Mary and devotion, even for Catholics, is a grace. So and and I know and you I'm sure you've met a lot of too, Catholics who just don't have that relationship with Mary. They

actually want it. They say things like, "I wish I had a better relationship with Mary." Very good. Ask for the grace.

Mary." Very good. Ask for the grace.

It's very simple. Blessed mother, help me to see or even ask Jesus. Jesus, help

me to see your mother the way that you saw her. Help me to love her the way

saw her. Help me to love her the way that you loved her. And in return, Mary will help you to see Jesus the way that she saw him and love him the way that she loved him. So, first ask for the

grace. But by praying in to to our lady

grace. But by praying in to to our lady and this is like you mentioned Keith Neester. There's a lot of Protestants

Neester. There's a lot of Protestants who began to pray the rosary. It's by

praying to our lady, experiencing her maternal mediation that everything else makes sense. Everything else makes

makes sense. Everything else makes sense. But I bring up St. Dominic for a

sense. But I bring up St. Dominic for a couple of reasons. Because the enemies of the Luminous Mysteries, for example, I love all my Christian brothers and sisters. And I converted after John Paul

sisters. And I converted after John Paul II added the luminous mysteries. So for

me it was just kind of like cool that's what it is. That's what it is. I'll pray

it. Like I had no history with that. I'm

sure that if like Pope Francis added the mysteries of the migrant I might have been like hey easy not too quick there.

We don't need to be changing this. So I

I can understand that if somebody changed the Hail Mary today I'd probably be like whoa whoa whoa. So I get it. But

I think their argument that I have heard has been the way that the Virgin Mary gave it is the way that it should be and no pope has the authority to add to that. And this is where understanding

that. And this is where understanding church history is huge. Number one, Mary didn't give the rosary. Mary gave the Mary and psalter. Also, when she gave the prayer to St. Dominic throughout the

church, if you said, "Pray the Hail Mary," it would have been, "Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee.

Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

Period. Nothing else at this time. And

this is great for Protestants to hear as well because they might not feel comfortable by saying, "Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us now and at the hour of our death." But this is important because where did those

prayers come from? Those came from Pope Pas I over 400 years, 300 years after the death of St. Dominic. Now you have

pas I f who's a pope not just adding to what our lady gave to St. Dominic but

adding to sacred scripture and then it is pas who officially changed the name from the Mary and psalter because in Dominican trai tradition blessed Allen he was against the word rosary and

blessed Allen lived about 200 years after St. Dominic he was against the

after St. Dominic he was against the word rosary because he found that the connection to the psalms the 150 and praying the mysteries throughout the day

was very important but it was the pope who changed the tradition to call it rosary. So if the pope has the authority

rosary. So if the pope has the authority to do that and most people who are like claiming that you know a strong like uh fundamentalist traditional stance are

ignorant about it and you pray the full Hail Mary then the the pope also can add to the mysteries of the life of Christ.

>> Yeah. I mean it's adding the Fatima prayer all these different things. And

you mentioned a couple um figures of Christian history that I think it's worth circling back to a little bit. So

>> um number one uh St. Dominic, founder of the Dominicans, he received the the rosary from our lady. I've actually been to the church where that where our lady

um gave the rosary to St. Dominic and

it's kind of in ruins. There's still

some sisters there. Um

it was an underwhelming experience. The

sisters there were like >> I went there too.

>> Yeah. And the sisters there like it didn't really happen that way, you know.

>> Sorry. You're wrong.

>> Yeah.

>> I I Right. I was like, well, no wonder that this thing isn't built up and you guys are struggling because you guys don't believe your own, you know, your own foundation.

>> And even if you don't believe it, build it up because other people will visit for sure, >> right? You know, uh so that was one. So

>> right? You know, uh so that was one. So

anyway, uh blessed Allen though, blessed Allen was really >> kind of the propagator of the rosary, right? 200 years after Dominic, uh he

right? 200 years after Dominic, uh he really probably did the most to get the rosary out to the world. And then Pas, you know, Dominican Pope, uh, he

founded, he formed the Holy League, Bottle of Le Panto. I mean, he demonstrated what the rosary can do. Um,

but then you have, you know, so many various saints with just uh, you know, a massive devotion to the rosary. Uh, but

Louis de Manfort, absolutely a great book. after you read this, right? And

book. after you read this, right? And

after you get after you read the the power of the rosary by uh Gabriel Castillo and then you want to go back to a different source that that's a great um I don't want to say addendum, I want

to say a prequel, right?

>> Um >> Padre Peio, you know, said I think it was him who said or >> Oh, no. You're going to know this. Who

said that the rosary is the weapon for these times?

>> Oh, yeah. Padre Peio for sure. 100%.

>> Okay. All right. That's right. I I um all of these momentous figures, all of these people who change history by living a pious and holy life. You

know, sometimes you think of history, you think of Napoleon or Hitler, Julius Caesar, they change history through force, >> through violence, through lust for power.

>> These people all change the world through peace, through love, through contemplation.

And that is such a sign of contradiction as to how the world can actually change.

How the rosary has as much power to change the world as a division of tanks as a legion of of Romans as the French

grand army. This little chain has as

grand army. This little chain has as much power. So start praying it. Take up

much power. So start praying it. Take up

that challenge.

>> Can I can I pick Can I pick up Can I pick up on that that strand? So, and

this is most evident when our lady appeared to the three shepherd children of Fatima. She comes, she's warning

of Fatima. She comes, she's warning about Russia's errors. She's warning

about sins and fashions that are going to enter the world. But I bring this up especially because she's also warning about modernism. She doesn't go out and

about modernism. She doesn't go out and say it, but she's warning against it by the things that she does with these children. She takes these children, she

children. She takes these children, she gives them a vision of hell. So, we're

living in a time where many people don't believe that hell exists. And here she's showing little children that this is a reality, but you can save them.

>> She's also coming in at a time like you mentioned those Dominican sisters who don't even recognize their own founding.

So this idea this this uh that this is maybe a myth or some pious belief was floating around this time in the early 1900s. And so everything in a church

1900s. And so everything in a church approved apparition, I'm always very careful to use that word church approved apparition. Everything that Mary does in

apparition. Everything that Mary does in a church approved apparition is done with weight, is done with precision.

Everything that our lady does, there's it meets so many ends. So what she wears is significant. We see this in the

is significant. We see this in the apparition to Juan Diego. Her name in the apparition to Juan Diego is significant. Her name at Lord's I am the

significant. Her name at Lord's I am the Immaculate Conception. There's always

Immaculate Conception. There's always like depth and precision. And so at Fatima, she actually several times says, "I will tell you who I am." So the children knew that they were speaking to

the mother of God, but she had a specific name that she wanted to reveal to these children. And at the last apparition, of course, the children see these visions in the sky. And then she says,

>> I So the apparition of St. Dominic was

given the title, the apparition of our lady of the rosary. And so here Mary's coming back and saying, I am our lady of the rosary. And if you were to look at

the rosary. And if you were to look at the habit that St. Dominic would have been wearing it would have been that same off-white cream color from head to toe. And our lady only has one symbol on

toe. And our lady only has one symbol on her garment and that is a star that was just above her knee. So the same symbol that's used for the Dominican

iconography of St. Dominic. And then she gives the unbelievers the exact same apparition that she gave to St. Dominic.

So everything about Fathom is very profound and very deep. But for me that's kind of like our lady saying I am the one who appeared to St. Dominic.

Look at me for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see. And in addition to that it doesn't even matter at this point if it happened to St. Dominic

because I myself am appearing here and telling you to do it.

>> But this is even deeper because you mentioned the history and changing history is that St. Pope John Paul II is one of the most Marian figures in the history of the world. Just look at his

crest. Totis.

crest. Totis.

>> Exactly. Yeah. But this started when he was nine. His mother died and he was in

was nine. His mother died and he was in such desolation and desperation that he goes to the parish church just after finding out of her death drops to his

knees in tears and says, "You must be my mother now." His his greatest in

mother now." His his greatest in inspiration as a child was seeing his father praying the rosary in the middle of the night or very early in the

morning when nobody was watching. And

when he was shot on May 13th, 1981, the anniversary of the apparition of Fatima, his life and Fatima are inseparable.

Only an atheist could deny the connection between John Paul II's assassination attempt and the apparition and the message of Fatima. And so it is him living this Marian message that

helps to bring down the walls of communism. And like you said, without

communism. And like you said, without weapons, only with spiritual arms did he do this. And his motto, Totus Tuis,

do this. And his motto, Totus Tuis, wasn't just a papal motto. It was a witness that gave rise to so many people to investigate the writings of St. Louis

de Manford and to to do a total consecration of their own. And so you see in him the fruit of a papacy that was given totally over to our lady. So,

we have a renewal in the rosary and we have a renewal in devotion to our lady because of him.

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books and not reading them. I am also guilty of that. So, I put a lot of effort into the audio version. I read it myself. My children, my oldest son and

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It's a shame that I have to read after his beautiful reading. So, anywhere that you can get an audio book, Audible, Apple iBooks, and all that kind of stuff.

>> Yeah. Hey, I definitely look, I love books, but man, I'm busy. I'm always

running around and audiobooks >> have they allow me to read or consume a lot a lot more information because look when I'm exercising when I'm in the car I can

multitask and I can enjoy those times when I'm doing things that are typically >> probably less enjoyable but >> you know most people don't put their books on an audiobook so that's awesome you can go to Audible you can go to

Amazon so but like you were saying you kind of built this book in mind for audio books so definitely go check that out, download that and listen to it and,

you know, um, engage, learn the power of the rosary. Um, listen to this book. I

the rosary. Um, listen to this book. I

mean, you know, Gabe was able to share his powerful testimony with you. And if

you watch the Catholic Talk Show for any length of time, you know how many people we have had on who say the rosary has radically, fundamentally changed their life and drawn them closer to Jesus

Christ. Again, for everyone watching, I

Christ. Again, for everyone watching, I challenge you for the next week. Say the

rosary for one week and come back and tell me, tell Gabe, tell everyone what impact it made. If you don't know how to pray the rosary, I'll put a little guide below in the comments so you can go and

check it out. If you don't have a rosary, there's a lot of free resources online where people will send them to you. But start praying the rosary

you. But start praying the rosary because like we said earlier, you cannot continue sinning and continue praying the rosary. You will either stop sinning

the rosary. You will either stop sinning or stop saying the rosary. And this is your call like Gabe had like that spicy sister who said, "Gabe, stop sinning."

You know, I'm not a spicy sister, but I'm, you know, medium hot dude, right?

Same thing.

>> Go ahead and let this be your call to stop sinning. Challenge yourself,

stop sinning. Challenge yourself, respond, and then be like our lady and reflect the light of Christ back into the world. Uh, Gabe, wonderful to

the world. Uh, Gabe, wonderful to finally have you on. We've been

>> going back and forth for about a year and a half to try to get you on and really really uh glad that it's finally happened. Love to have you back on

happened. Love to have you back on again.

>> Thank you. God bless you and thanks for all your good work you do. Keep going.

>> Thank you. All right, everyone. Thanks

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