Using the 6 Snowboard Fundamentals for Movement Analysis | AASI Rocky Mountain Webinar

right on so my goal would be to start out with just a little bit of an overview we'll walk through what the fundamentals are and a little bit of how they relate to

our our existing body movements and board performances so do a little refresh there and then get into specifically to how they work as a tool for movement analysis which is

where i think they're really um a very useful tool they start to put things into relationship body movements board performances how they how they interrelate and i think that's really where they start to become a little more

useful yeah donnie i don't think anyone i i couldn't repeat them verbatim word for word and no one really expects uh expects anyone to we wrote them in a language that puts

them into relationship with you know makes them very similar across the other discipline fundamentals and that was the goal there is for them to be

similar in wording but uh recognizing that in terms of vernacular and how we use them i'm going to talk about moving pressure along the length of the snowboard not directing pressure you know like yeah the way we use them versus the way

they're written is a little bit different we got 22 on right on we'll go ahead and jump in thank you guys for joining um my name is chris rogers i'm a instructor and trainer at

vale mountain i'm an examiner in the rocky mountain region and i'm on the asi national team and on a bunch of different task forces and groups i am from alaska originally

moved to steamboat springs in 2004 and started teaching there and taught in steamboat for a number of years went on to do some marketing and membership down at uh communication down in denver i worked

for the national office for a couple of years and then ended up back up in in the mountains moved to vail and for the last uh five years i was the manager of training and quality at vale mountain kind of running the whole training

program there and then this season stepped back into instruction and training and just back to the full-time frontline gig which has been just awesome i had a great season i know it's been rough having it cut short

especially as it's snowing hard here in avon right now but uh but i mean i had such a great season and it's been really fun for me getting to uh to

clinic maybe a little wider audience than we would normally get to on snow getting a little more comfortable with these webinars and um sharing some information i'm hoping there's some of this that we continue through into the

next season that there's opportunities for us to chat and continue conversations and training uh even when we're off snow you know i'm looking to do some of these you know maybe do a level two cert

kickoff and a level three cert kickoff that's bring all your questions as you're getting ready for certain some different topics we might get into over the next a couple of of months and you know see how it all goes but the focus

for this one is to really specifically get into the snowboard fundamentals and how they work for movement analysis the way i tend to run these is is uh you know if you've got a question feel free

to use the raise your hand uh tool that's built in or throw a question in the chat and um you know we'll ideally everyone kind of stays muted until you're you're speaking it keeps things moving pretty well i think we're all

getting a little bit more comfortable with this format and kind of best practices way to do things but please do interrupt have questions raise your hand and and uh we'll we'll jump around and get to questions for sure

um i'm going to switch over to the powerpoint presentation and i kind of jump back and forth a little bit the powerpoints really just there as we go through the fundamentals and then uh i'm going to keep it on half

the screen and pull up videos we'll actually start using them watching some riders so start out with this is just to review the the fundamentals here and

again the goal with these fundamentals is not uh not to replace where we've been before so the learning connection model was rolled out by the teams in ushuaia at

the 2015 inner ski and this idea that this is what makes a great instructor technical skills teaching skills and people skills so what we're going to be talking about today really lies within this technical skills corner the

fundamentals of snowboarding and it's built upon the concept of body movements and board performances so these are these are the six snowboard fundamentals

and and they are written very similar the the first five are almost identical to the alpine fundamentals so control the relationship of the center of mass to the base of support to direct

pressure along the length of the board um so this is talking about moving pressure along the length of the snowboard right we can do that by moving our center of mass or by moving the snowboard

underneath a stable center of mass all right so you think about like that shuffle movement that we make on our snowboard or about moving the center of mass driving through that front ankle knee and hip flexion driving our center

mass forward or through that right ankle knee hip flexion driving our center mass towards the tail of the snowboard so looking at this movement so the relationship of the center mass to

the base of support right makes sense there so next fundamental looking at controlling the relationship of the center of mass to the base of support to direct pressure along the

width of the snowboard so now we're not talking about tilting the snowboard in this fundamental we're talking about the ability to move our weight over the snowboard so we can move pressure over the heel side edge or move pressure over

the toe side edge without affecting tilt and there's a this is the reason that we talk about these as two separate fundamentals that concept of tilt we'll get into um this fundamental is really specifically about

moving pressure and if you think about the combinations of fundamental one and two here moving weight over the nose of the snowboard and then maybe over the heelside edge getting in into a butter maneuver

our ability to manipulate pressure anywhere on the snowboard comes from fundamental one and two so that movement all over and across the snowboard huck doll uh this is uh what is this

this is tech rider um t-e-c-h-r-i-d-e-r they're a norwegian company actually this is the terrier hawkinson pro model and uh they came out like years ago they had them at sia and

i don't know if they ever went on sale but they you definitely can find them on on ebay these ones are sweet because they're all they're all silicone so they actually flex and and move

they've got like a skeletal structure inside uh the knee joint is actually a true hinge um i thought about cutting the pants off so you could actually see them it's like an actual knee joint

and the elbow is the same way so the elbows will only bend along along the uh the hinge joint same with the knees and when you look at like a steering movement of

the front knee the knee doesn't rotate just like our human body the femur rotates within the hip socket these guys are awesome i really wish they were more more available our next fundamental here control the

magnitude of pressure created through the board surface interaction this is one this one is again pretty much word for reward straight out of the alpine side of things although we changed uh the wording a bit obviously board

instead of ski but specifically that that surface interaction not just talking about snow talking about boxes uh trees you know jibs whatever that we're constantly controlling that

pressure that's not just our ability to move vertically but also the snow moving underneath us right so we're controlling that magnitude pressure so this covers uh down awaiting movement patterns it

covers coming up and over it covers retraction pulling the snowboard to us it covers uh if you're going over a roller in a border cross track um you know the different ways you could you

could approach that either coming in low flex extending and creating uh some energy out of that or uh kind of pre-ollying and trying to to

roll over it like a border cross rider would um or maybe even trying to pump and generate speed through that so all of those concepts of vertical pressure management are covered in this

fundamental of controlling the magnitude of pressure our next one control the board's pivot through flex extension and rotation of the body um so this is again where where things are a little bit different

because of our biomechanics on a snowboard we can create pivot and um and tilt uh well more more so we can create pivot through flex extension and rotation right so pivot is the

rotation's the obvious way to create pivot if we if we rotate our upper body the snowboard is going to want to pivot underneath us right so this movement of pivot through rotation that one makes a

lot of sense but as we get into the the higher level concepts of that we start talking about twist we can create pivot in the snowboard through flex and extension right if i

if i extend my back leg out that's going to make the pivot the boards the board pivot as well as that upper body rotation so we talk about how we can create pivot through flex extension and

rotation of the body um whereas in in the alpine fundamentals there it's a lot more specific right if you flex and extend along the length of the ski if you

reflect if you close your ankle joint that moves your center mass over the ski and it doesn't so much create pivot the way it does in a snowboard so we kind of distinguish that as a difference

control the board's tilt through a combination of inclination and angulation so now we're getting into that concept of tilt and again this could come through inclination or inclining into the hill with a

kind of isometrically flexed ankle joint right we're not flexing into it we are keeping our ankle joint at 90 degrees and and tilting our entire body or inclining our entire body

and that creates tilt we could also create tilt through extending our ankles flexing our knees and getting that michael jackson position right so um that concept of

inclination and angulation are separate topics angulation is specifically talking about uh flexing our joints to maintain balance with tilt whereas inclination is talking about the overall

angle of the human body to the snow so this side is inclination as we as we tip without without um get as tall as possible as we tip that

would be more this would be an inclined position with not much angulation whereas if we're flexed in that toe side turn this would

be inclination with angulation same thing i could have very low uh inclination and angulation or i could have very low inclination with some angulation in that kind of michael

jackson maneuver so um yeah that concept of tilt being controlled through that inclination and angulation

yeah uh yeah chandler when doug doug used that uh that mini board for the visual demos that was really really cool um he was using uh

the snowboard addiction board control torsional flex of the board using flex extension and rotation of the body so this is that sixth fundamental the one we added in because we felt like

twist is a pretty key part of what we do on a snowboard so on on a ski you know if you are if you through

terrain have a ski on edge there's going to be some torsional flexion of that ski right as the contact point of the nose of the ski rolls over something it might twist the ski whereas

we talk about active twist right we can intentionally twist that snowboard through flex extension and rotation again that rotation coming from from the knee if we rotate that femur in the hip

socket we can we can create some twists there but also talking about flex and extension ankle knee hip we can create that twist in the snowboard i wish this board was a little bit softer it'd be easier to show that

so those six fundamentals the goal there is to put the body movement in relationship with the board performance so um the board performances the body movements they're still there they are

the building blocks of the fundamentals the fundamentals put them into relationship with each other and and i think really help explain pressure pressure was always a sticking point for people we had um

it's a bigger concept than tilt twist and pivot those are things the snowboard can do kind of uh on on planes whereas uh that concept of pressure is much bigger it talks about

vertical pressure it talks about foreign af pressure and it talks about pressure along the along with the snowboard so the fundamentals let us really um expand those thoughts and make it clear that all three of those elements of pressure

are incredibly important to what we do any questions on the overall makeup of the six fundamentals how they apply to snowboarding kind of in general questions there before we

move into movement analysis no everyone's good cool cool so with that in mind jump into some movement analysis so what i what i

think is awesome about these fundamentals is they create a lens through which to look so if um pull them right back up here

so the thing with fundamentals is that they are always true these six elements there are six fundamentals here are always true you

are always doing all of these things if the snowboard's flat you are controlling the board still if the snowboard isn't a carved turn you are controlling the board's pivot by not pivoting right if you are

um riding a flat base across a box you are controlling the relationship of your center of mass across the width of the snowboard across the length of the snowboard and vertically all of these

things are happening all the time and that's why when you see a student hit a box for the first time and their snowboard starts to turn or they go off a jump and their shoulders are open in the air the board turns sideways with

them in the air right all of these things are always present and that wording of them is so specific because we are controlling the board's tilt by not tilting the snowboard we are controlling torsional flex by by

torsionally flexing the snowboard or by not torsionally flexing the snowboard so these six six things are always present always present the key with using them is looking at

them as a lens through which to address uh deficiencies things that are going well areas that that are going to be helpful to give feedback so

one of the one of the ones i go to as a really good demonstration is an ollie a good ollie we talk about moving aft on the snowboard starting to flex the snowboard moving vertically on the

snowboard and popping off the tail retracting the air and landing flat right pretty pretty common definition of an ollie so the two key movements that come out in the fundamentals there are

managing pressure along the length of the snowboard and managing pressure vertically magnitude of pressure right are we controlling the board's pivot through flex extension and rotation of the body absolutely and if somebody does

an ollie and they open their shoulders you're going to see that board start to turn and they're going to land a little bit crooked right are we managing the board's tilt through a combination of inclination angulation absolutely

if they are hunched over and pop off the tail they might land on their on their knees right they might fall over their toe side edge but

in a general sense if we're watching an ollie the two things we're going to see issues with are moving pressure over the tail of the snowboard and moving pressure vertically if they are successfully doing an ollie we want to take that to a

stronger ollie looking at those two areas are probably where you're going to give feedback so i think about sitting in the chair at the optometri optometrists and they're

like is lens one better click click or lens two now lens two or lens three right they're constantly swapping back and forth and asking you which lens makes your eyes clear

that's how i use the fundamentals so these six fundamentals are six different lenses through which to watch any movement anything that's going on a snowboard and say what's the most effective way

for me to give someone feedback about this so we're gonna pull up a video desktop go pull this over to the side

all right so we're gonna watch this video here and we'll just play through that again [Music] we'll play through it one more time i know it can be a little bit choppy

watching these so i like to give a couple of views all right so watching that video what do you guys see as

well i mean first is that a successful or or unsuccessful 360.

check here so i i think we can all agree that that that rider is able to do a 360 right they they're doing a flatland 360 there they're getting it all the way around

and able to complete that 360.

now if we want to take that to a next level we can look at through our six fundamentals and you know looking at them as lenses controlling a relationship of the center mass to

direct pressure along the length of the snowboard probably not super effective piece to give give feedback around obviously com like

they're able to do the task and they are managing their center of mass relative to uh the base of support but it's probably not the most effective lens to get

feedback through same for the second one they are shifting their weight over their toe inside and heel side edge they are moving pressure along the width of the snowboard and we could give them feedback around

that but again probably not the most effective place to give feedback um magnitude of pressure not seeing a ton of vertical movement in here and it's certainly an area we could go

look at getting a little bit taller a little bit smaller using a little bit more flex and extension controlling the board's pivot through flex extension rotation of the body here's here's one that's going to be a pretty large lens right this one is one

that would make a pretty big effect if we want to talk about more rotation flex and extension to create pivot that's one way we could make this stronger controller boards tilt through combination inclination angulation

probably not super applicable for using feedback here control torsional flex the snowboard using flex extension and rotation of the body this one's going to be a key piece again for taking these to making them a

little bit more smooth as i watch this rider i don't see a ton of twists along that snowboard right you can see a little bit of pressure

movement over that but not a big not a big use of flex and extension kind of independent flex and extension through ankles knees and hips to create some twist and not a lot of

upper lower body separation or use of of rotation to bring that around it's pretty much just using pressure on the edge so my my take on watching this and using

the fundamentals is that we would focus on controlling the board's pivot through flex extension and rotation of the body talking about rotary movements of either the upper body to kind of open up

and steer into it using that front ankle and knee rotating the femur and that lead knee into it to create some additional pivot and or focus on controlling torsional

flex of the board using flex extension rotation the body right we could twist the snowboard to create a little bit faster rotation a little bit more smooth rotation going into that

does that make sense seeing head nods cool so i've got a couple more videos we'll roll through and some different places where we can really highlight this and

look at the different ways this applies and then if if other people like if any of you would like to take a stab at working through one of these we'll definitely have that opportunity as well we've got a little over half an hour to

kind of play with with these in different videos so if start thinking now if this if you'd like to jump on and uh you know take to watch one of these videos and throw out some ideas about how how the fundamentals apply start

thinking about if you want to want to jump on and do that and i'm just going to roll through a couple more of these as we go now take a quick screenshot here too cool like i said at any point you have

uh questions or um other other questions you want to ask just feel free to throw those comments or questions into the into the chat as we go along or raise your hand uh in the raise hand tool i don't always have the screen up so i can't ever if

you've got your hand up i don't necessarily see it um i'll jump right back to share screen here this little check box that helps optimize for video let's try to grab

that one all right all right so again sticking with simple movements kind of that level one zone got a tail press here

nice up good yes that was money jonathan hershberger examiner here in rocky shot this one

so again we've got a pretty successful maneuver here but one of the things i see here that that i'd want to work on if this if this was a student i was working with would be

maintaining that pressure a little bit longer right she just barely gets into it and then comes right out of it and rides away so we've got a success successful maneuver here

and looking at a tail press through the through the lens of the fundamentals um big one here is gonna be controlling our our pressure along the length of the snowboard as well as controlling the

magnitude of pressure vertically um you know we could look at if we if we were seeing a turn start to happen they might have some pressure over the toe side edge probably not getting into tilt

at all as in in a good tail press as a place to go but certainly looking at uh that that pressure across the snowboard that's one of the areas that we see common issues

with is too much pressure over heel side or toe side and your tail press or nose press is going to start to drift or even start to pivot right but in this tail press look at pretty straight track you can

look off the tail of the snowboard you can see that there's pressure flat on the snowboard we're not seeing like a big heelside edge or a big toe side edge so it kind of knocks those fundamentals out

as as primary lenses but certainly using using that concept of lenses controlling the relationship along the length of the snowboard and controlling pressure vertically so

this is where we see that kind of that concept of the yawning alligator right and and she's got a pretty strong nose press here not so much a yawning alligator but but does come back down pretty quickly

and that comes through this movement this vertical movement she makes right here as she makes that strong vertical movement of the upper body notice her knee is already pretty flexed

but she drops her center her upper body down in as well she flexes through the lower spine and drops her shoulders into that

over that tail as well and that's where that vertical movement comes from that helps her um create a little bit more of a tail press there right she flexes the snowboard a

little bit more managing that pressure so if we could slow down that movement and focus on flexing the rear ankle knee

and hip to get there as well she would likely be able to hold that a little bit longer i think in terms of pressure along the length of the snowboard we're seeing this tail press

it indicates to me that she's got her pressure over that back foot far enough to keep the nose off the snowboard so the fundamental i would want to focus on here would be controlling that magnitude of pressure

she's generating a little bit too much pressure she can't hold it that long and has to stand back up and drop out of it whereas with a little bit slower movement into it i think we'd be able to see her hold

that a little bit longer jump over the next video looking at some turns watch this again oh

one more time here right on so jumping into this rider and i did i see there's some chat about the previous writer we'll go back to that one i didn't see that until after i started this video but um let's let's continue on with this video and then we

can go back to that tail press as well um what do you guys see here in terms of those fundamentals where do we think uh you know we can throw it in chat here

um where do where do we think we see opportunities for this writer if anyone wants to unmute or if anyone wants to throw a chat in uh throw comments in the chat

chandler says the back leg using that back leg primarily the celebration hands yes the celebration hands are awesome growth and flex and extension controlling tilt through inclination

angulation she's too static she doesn't uh shift forward angulation inclination angulation you guys see it just by rolling through that

list of fundamentals um if we can start to narrow down some options here and you know if we look at her controlling her relationship along

uh of the center mass along the base of support to collect direct pressure along the length of the snowboard um we can talk about four and a half there right so there's an opportunity there through pressure along the length of the snowboard

um control relationship of center mass to base of support to direct pressure along the width of the snowboard probably not a key lens there right she is completing her turn she's got weight over the over the edges that they need

to be so probably not going to talk a lot about managing pressure along the width of the board talking about vertical movement we could get a little bit more into flex and extension as you guys said she's she's a little bit static there so

getting a little bit taller to initiate the turn flexing down getting a little bit lower through the body of the turn could be a route to go controlling pivot through flex extension rotation of the body and this is where i

think things start to get really cool because of the interaction between the fundamentals right so uh none of these fundamentals are in a silo they're all happening all the

time and so if we want to talk about creating pivot with her what's the issue that's going to prevent her from from working on pivot

somebody said it in here earlier using that back leg right she's got pressure over the tail of snowboard we can see in that stance that she's a little bit aft so if we want to focus on

pivot we're also going to have to work on getting her weight forward so the snowboard can pivot through the snow right as long as she's got weight on that tail i'll pull that video back up as long as she's got weight on the tail

she's gonna have a really hard time so we pause it here and look at her alignment relative to the slope i would say if we you know we go back to reference alignments and again the

fundamentals don't replace any of our other tools right it's just a new way to organize and look at that material so um if we look at those hips in terms of perpendicular to the snow or parallel to

the snow i think she's a little bit after you can see that back knees maybe a little bit more flex than the front knee and right here is where you really see that shoulder has fully come out of

alignment with the train she's starting to try to turn using that shoulder instead of her front knee uh that back knee's got a little bit more weight on it that's going to make it really hard to work on pivot so that relationship

between the fundamentals starts to come into play so i would want to focus on getting her a little bit more four on the snowboard here right she's yeah absolutely brandon said

she's leading with the hip i want to get that front knee involved a little bit more get those shoulders she's kind of living in the past over here that front shoulder out in front of the snowboard and lead into the future

and because of that it'd be really hard to work on uh on pivot let's really see it right here okay she gets over the edge she's back in control she's pretty happy through here

and as we go to that heel side again you can see you're slowing down a little bit getting a little more tentative not quite ready to put the snowboard down the hill and as we get down the hill here again

you can see that back knee bent more than the front knee so at half pressure talking about managing pressure along the length of the snowboard we definitely want to work on getting some pressure towards the nose of the

snowboard here that's going to unlock our ability to pivot the snowboard and is going to be a building block for the rest of it so we can start talking about prioritizing deficiencies or

working on something we want to correct some of them the fundamentals have some building blocks so if you are too aft you're gonna have a really hard time

managing uh managing pivot if you um are not using flex and extension you're gonna have a really hard time unlocking twist right there's different elements here that build upon each other

one second all right um so then other elements we brought up there controlling tilt there's absolutely an opportunity to work on controlling tilt

right she kind of sets a really high you can high edge angle and you can see that that pressure build up and create some chatter so this is a combination of tilt and pressure management right managing

the magnitude controlling the magnitude of pressure created by creating a whole bunch of tilt right there she increases pressure to that edge which creates that chatter creates that that slop in the

snowboard right so this is an issue with both pressure management and with tilt management so we know we've got that going there once she gets onto the edge and kind of is back in control

she's doing an okay job of managing her tilt through the kind of control and finish phase of the turn right same thing we see here coming through the toe side she sets that edge she gets a little bit bucked right here

and then she settles back onto that edge and gets to a more appropriate tilt for that skidded turn and then she really likes this one here she gets down onto this little cap

bit of a cat track that cuts across the hill it's not quite as steep she's able to cut through there a little bit more comfortably this making sense is this concept of using the fundamentals as lenses to pick

out kind of low-hanging fruit so with um with going from there in a prescription for change the fundamentals don't really rewrite the rest of our tools oep is

still the way we do movement analysis right make an observation evaluate that movement pattern prescribe something new it's still how we do movement analysis the

fundamentals just become a better tool for evaluating and making those observations and as we go into working with this rider i'm not going to be like all right so we're going to

focus on fundamental 2 which is moving our pressure along the width of the snowboard right i'm not going to talk like that to the student i'm going to talk about bending her front knee moving her hips over the snowboard leaning into the future leading into this turn rather

than keeping her weight in the back foot right it's probably what her instructor was saying all day keeping weight on her front foot maybe going back to some slightly more gentle terrain and and

working on that initiation of the turn moving into that control phase managing pressure um getting our weight a little bit more force so we can manage that pivot and control that skid a little bit

more comfortably all of those elements of how we work with the rider still the same we're relying on our experiences as educators and our the job that we do

to fill in those details of how we do ma the fundamentals are a great tool for making these observations and prioritizing those inefficiencies right and and i think that's um

the key for me and why these make sense is that concept of prioritizing deficiencies or prioritizing inefficiencies there might be multiple elements we could give a rider feedback through but

by choosing those ones that are going to make the biggest difference in the in the next run for this rider we're helping make the process better for everyone so i'm

pull up another video here oh if we want to go back let's see here back to go back to some comments here brandon said i think she's using weight to create pressure instead of using her leg muscles or creepers yeah yeah i

don't know if we need to go all the way back and review that video but yeah i would agree she's using that weight to create pressure versus moving into for that tail press moving into that tail press a little bit more gradually that's

another way to look at it right um cool i'm gonna pull up a little bit higher level video here now getting into linking some turns

uh in some crud [Music] just a couple more times [Music] so [Music]

all right so as we watch this rider there's probably one or two key things that are that are standing out to you as you watch these you know we talk about in moving analysis we talk about

body down board up kind of the whole picture different ways to watch this this right there's a couple of specific kind of outcomes yeah cody controlling pivot through

rotation especially heel to toe side right the heel to toe side we really see that counter rotation that upper body movement into the turn and then upper and lower body working in opposition

to get across that toe side and they're back foot heavy up and waiting right or open most of the time yep so some stance thing as you're seeing there you guys see this uh

pressure management issue on the heel side turn almost every heel side turn there yeah becky i can pop this up um

i can't keep the video full screen if i have those up what if i uh this let me do this no all right

gonna send you guys all this image of the six fundamentals on one slide in the chat so that uh you guys all have them and can put them somewhere where it's not gonna get in

your way go so that uh in the chat there you can grab the that image that has those six fundamentals laid out that way you can have them

anywhere on your screen cody really inclinated on the heel side causing a lot of tilt yes so as we look at this heel side turn so the two things that kind of pop out to me as i watch this video

is is that counter rotation initiating the toe side turn right closing the shoulder as he initiates the turn coming through in this big movement of the upper and lower body moving in

opposition to get around to the toe side turn that one should stand out to everyone and then as he comes across toe side into heel side he opens up and comes across the

heel side that movement's there as well but maybe not as pronounced and as we come across the heel side here watch what the snowboard is doing through this whole heel side turn right and then same

thing here again field side turn and again heel side turn so those two things absolutely stand out as i watch this video and if i was sitting here with a candidate going for their

level two or level three and and work watching this video that's what should stand out right there are other things going on here there are other things that you can you could work

on for sure and there's not a right answer when it comes to movement analysis right but those two movements should be two of the of the key ones that stand out out there's some aft pressure you can look at his stance um

you can look at how how he's not flexing that front knee that one stands out you can look at this counter rotation to initiate the toe side turn that one stands out and you

look at the pressure management through this heel side turn this stands out right uh jay hutchins that should be right above

your post it should say screenshot click to open press this again and i can i can just pop back up through

uh through my share too my desktop all right i gotcha all right it's popped up there now you guys can hopefully see my whole screen again now

show that way um cool so going through those fundamentals with those three kind of primary lenses we can look at

that rotary piece here that comes in through controlling the board's pivot through flex extension rotation of the body this is an area we might want to work on because the rider is initiating

that turn with this massive movement of the of the upper body they pivot quickly through a control phase end up on the toe side turn in this in

kind of the finish of the turn and then have to absorb that pressure through their ankles you see their upper body stays pretty static here and their front knee is a little bit more extended back needs a little bit more flexed shoulders

are open and this pressure that we see him struggle with on the heel side he's able to absorb through that ankle flexion here through the toe side right it's still there but he's able to absorb it

so this comes through because of that that counter no real control phase we go pretty much that l that classic l-shaped turn

straight into that toe side comes through a little open and aft front legs a little more extended back legs a little more flexed so here's that that position i think chandler was mentioning in chat um

because he's a little bit after he's having a really hard time skipping the snowboard and yeah right here textbook picture of it back knees flexed front knees extended

shoulders are open he's coming around from toe to heel side here and as he gets through here comes back in alignment briefly look at that

knee flexion right so he's too inclined into the turn managing uh incl tilt through combination inclination and angulation

this line here he's kind of over committed dumped his hips into that turn and that's generating an issue with managing the magnitude of pressure created through board surface interaction

that's creating additional pressure that he's having to absorb through his knees then he goes right back into that toe side turn closing the shoulder

using that rotary movement to bring the snowboard across and then counter rotation get around to that toe side see inside or outside of the turn on his

heel side i would say he's too far inside the turn on his heel side here right his hips are dumped down into this um kind of direction of his of his center

masses here you can see his shoulders are barely over the over the heel side edge but by dumping his hips in he's creating a lever here which applies all that

pressure inside that heel side turn and it's too much for him to smoothly manage as he comes through this counter rotation you get to the toe side

again you can see that energy right there like that same amount of energy with managing control controlling magnitude of pressure through board surface interaction

throws the snowboard flex extend flex extend of that ankle he's able to manage it there comes around the heel side he's not able to manage as well on the heel side because he doesn't have that ankle joint at play right so kind of that

repeating pattern here that we see through all these turns if you guys got this have this this was your student this is your first turn which of those three areas would you

want to focus on first which one's the low-hanging fruit pivot tony says pivot flex absorb chandler says

inclination angulation from becky brandon says flex an extension of the front ankle body alignment larger turn radius cody says tilt and pressure on the heel side so

and this is the key right and i think this is such a huge point with them with m.a

m.a there isn't a right answer i'm not going to be like oh yeah cody that was right everyone else was wrong movement analysis is so much based on your teaching style and how you're going to

um coach a writer right when you start talking about a prescription for change we're not looking for a right answer what we're looking is that your story makes sense the story you're telling

about this writer makes sense and as you're watching that writer as i said there were kind of three predominant elements that stood out to me as areas we could work on with this

rider which of those you want to focus on that's that's up to you you're their instructor and and exactly what tara just said the writer's goal you're their instructor and you're working to meet

their goals that's going to inform how you're going to work with this writer and so um you know i don't want anyone to walk away from this thinking there's one specific way to do this the move the the six fundamentals create a

great platform a great tool for for analyzing and uh you know great lens to look at these through but of those three you could choose to work on any of them right

um i personally would probably this to me stands out as one of the one of the primary issues is that straight front leg that more flexed back ankle and knee and uh and that that's going to move

pressure towards the tail of the snowboard so working on controlling pressure along the length of the snowboard that's one i go to because i find a lot of success in helping people create pivot by getting them more

centered on their snowboard and we all know our students want to move aft as soon as they get on steeper terrain right that's one of those things we're constantly dealing with so that's where where i might go but i

don't think anyone in here is wrong in the direction they they're going and as you go into cert processes don't think about what the examiner is thinking is right or wrong because we're not what we're

listening to is how you're building that story does what you said you saw match up to what you want to work on did you say the biggest issue is this and then go off on a tangent of this other thing

you're going to work on that it has nothing to do with what you addressed as their primary issue right so looking at that story makes sense is the best way to look through m.a

pop up another of these it's right where the right where the zoom control was bombs off piste here we go getting an even a little bit more

advanced terrain here all right so we're getting some like finer movements here play this again a couple more times more time here brandon you just have to put the camera

really close to the snow and then tilt it up so it looks like it's really steep all right cody says inclination and angulation on the toe side so looking as he comes through this toe side

i did a bunch of clinics in uh central division this year and and riding areas like afton and buckhill and and um man the terrain

is limited for sure but but all of the smaller resorts i've ever lead training at make up for their for their vert with people and food absolutely like every every small resort

i've ever been to has amazing food and awesome people flex at the hip on the toe side yeah so cody's talking about right here

so looking at right so the the last point i want to make about these fundamentals is they talk a lot about the what right they're a really good connection of of

um the relationship between the body movements and the board performance but they don't talk about how

right so we it leaves it to the instructor to talk about how we're going to manage pressure vertically or how we're going to manage pressure along the length of the snowboard the fundamentals

don't say anything about moving across the snowboard or moving the snowboard underneath you right that's the how and what i mean it doesn't talk about the how it doesn't talk about how we're going to control the relationship of our

center of mass to the basis of support it doesn't talk about bending the front knee extending uh the back knee or um or kind of the shuffle movement in pivot it doesn't talk about kind of the bow tie

versus pivoting by flexing that front knee right so the fundamentals don't take away from the instructor experience and knowledge

reference alignments our teaching cycle movement analysis oep it doesn't replace all those other things it talks about what the relationship is between the

body and the board it doesn't say how and so as we get to cody's point here the we could talk about reference alignment keeping a center mass over the snowboard

but if we look at these fundamentals it absolutely is reflected in the fundamental of managing the board's uh tilt through a combination of inclination and angulation right that is an angle he's dropped his hips over his

shoulders over his hips broken at the waist flexing through the lower spine and uh and dropping into the turn so we could look there we could look at um

controlling the relationship the center mass to the base of support to direct pressure along the width of the snowboard and those are the fundamentals looking at

the how we can talk about he's dropped um you know he's no longer in reference line he's not staying stacked over that toe side turn and um and

uh sorry i was just reading kelly's comment there uh it's not replacing the how right the how is where we get to the meat of of good movement analysis

a couple other frames along here so we see some upper and lower body separation and i think what's key as we get into these level three movements is

the difference between the last rider we looked at and this rider in terms of the rotary movements of the upper body and the steering moments of the lower body you can see in this rider that those two aren't necessarily

connected this one is right rotates the upper body uses that energy to make that hop turn and get it around so we come through this turn across on

the toes and go into the heels the shoulders are open but that movement right here that comes from lower body movement back knee coming around the front knee a little

bit it's not necessarily pivot coming from the upper body rotation coming from the upper body coming in here rotates again and then a vertical movement on weight bring the snowboard

around toe to heel body opens pivots the snowboard underneath so we've got a couple different ways that this rider is

is creating some turns all of these are through extension to unweight the snowboard so we could look at maybe getting and so that's uh controlling the

magnitude of pressure created through board surface interaction right but we could look at maybe going to a most flexible exchange movement pattern dropping the center of mass a down a way to move a pattern or getting into some

retraction so looking at different ways of the how we control the relationship of center mass to the base of support right turn shape looking at um

changing the the size and shape of these turns through again through probably through that movement pattern of getting into a more downway movement um does that make sense that these are

they're not replacing the how like there's still a lot of room within each of these fundamentals for how we actually want to improve the rider or to make a change to the rider but the fundamentals i think make a

great lens for picking out some movements that we might want to focus on i'll pull up one more here because we haven't done much with high edge angle last one

and looking at some carved turns these are uh these are gonna be switch carve turns but focus on the carve [Music] no worries thanks for joining tara

[Music] so so for me as i'm watching this i'm kind of rolling through the fundamentals as a bit of a checklist the rider controlling pressure along the length of the

snowboard adequate to the task yep next one are they managing pressure along the width of the snowboard yep next one magnitude of pressure created through forward surface interaction i'm gonna

come back to that one controlling pivot yeah for the most part we got a little bit of a skid in the initiation of a few of these but that's one we might want to work on controlling the boards tilt through a combination of inclination angulation that's definitely one that

applies here i'm controlling torsional flex yeah we're probably not doing a lot of that so already just been watching this a couple of times i've narrowed it down to three of these fundamentals i'm going to focus on again watching this

and i'm going to kind of focus on those three as i'm watching this i would like to see a little bit more flex and extension

magnitude of pressure big one yep um there's not a lot of flex extension going on i totally agree cody so there's an opportunity there as we want to set the edge more to really lock in that car

that's going to help us with right here right you see this front knee drive and there's a little bit of pivot there so this pivot is an area that we're going to want to reduce

that pivot we're going to control the board's pivot by focusing on managing uh pressure vertically and managing tilt through inclination angulation so these are the two as i

watched through this a few times these are the two that i kind of boil down to as the primary fundamentals are going to be effective here and those two go hand in hand right they

relate very well right here if our rider flexes their ankles and knees a little bit more it's going to move their center mass over this toe side edge a little bit more it's going to create some more

tilt through angulation and it's going to control the magnitude of pressure by by applying a little bit more same thing right as we come through here real static he moves laterally across

the snowboard right he manages pressure across the snowboard pretty effectively but he doesn't progressively flex down into the turn here which would be his opportunity to increase that pressure on

the edge letting him carve a little bit more and putting them in a more angulated position to manage that tilt manage that tilt through the carve [Music] so you can go two directions from there

if you want to get into the tools of like cause and effect um you could go either way with this one because the rider doesn't stays mostly extended through the

control phase of the turn they're not able to manage pressure vertically and set that edge or they are not able to create more angulation to tilt the snowboard at a higher level right you could go either

direction through those other tools we have cause and effect flex extension how that's relating to the board performance how that's relating to the turn outcome we get a little bit of scarves through

the control phase here we get a little bit of scarve and initiation the toe side right here and both of those can be addressed through vertical pressure management and through setting

the edge getting a little bit more tilt through that combination of inclination and angulation i want to pop back up lynn has they

asked a question a little bit ago which i want to regroup to now so it seems like when we use the fundamentals as a lens movement analysis becomes multiple choice tests with real

movements that help frame what the ideal movements are when are we going to start using the fundamentals for cert candidates i think it will help a lot to frame and clarify what people are seeing and doing so

the fundamentals are out there they are published in the teaching snow sports manual that came out two years ago they're they're listed as examples of fun of relationships between the body movements

and the board performances i think is how we worded it because the so that what these came from guys this wasn't just the the snowboard team this was uh the national task force which is a group of division and discipline leaders from

from all of our divisions and disciplines that get together and work on different task forces so this was a representative from snowboard for each division they got together to word

these and at the point that the teaching snow sports manual came out we were pretty confident about these six fundamentals we've been kind of brainstorming them working on them in groups across the country for a while

but we weren't ready to kind of finalize them so they went in that manual as examples of fundamental relationships but we are they did officially get kind of named the snowboard fundamentals last summer so it's a

the national team as well as this national task force of leaders from all over the country and um we've now published them a couple different places since then online they will be in whatever the next version of

the technical manual whenever that comes out but for now they're the the published places in the snow sports teaching manual but they are on the website most of the divisions have them these will start trickling into the exams so

um the last year the focus has been on the teaching skills fundamentals and the people skills fundamentals i've done a couple webinars on those those are available if you're not familiar with those yet those are available the

recordings of those webinars are available but um now we have those fundamentals developed for all three zones the teaching skills the technical skills and the people skills

and there's work now going into what the next version of our national standard standards will look like i believe those are going to be approved during a summer meeting of the board this probably june or july at which

point they are the new standards and we'll start working through them now how that looks like in terms of adoption in the divisions um it's still a couple year process right we're not just going to like pull

out one exam process and replace it with another what we're doing is working in in these cross dis cross division groups starting with a level one to make the process a little bit more

similar across the country now the exam's still going to look a little different everywhere but we might be using the same assessment form to start from we might start seeing

a little bit more similar tasks and and big pieces of the process and a lot of that comes from things like these snowboard fundamentals we for 20

for next season 19 20 21 season we're still planning on using body movements and board performances in the rocky mountain division other divisions may decide to jump on the new uh the use of

the fundamentals earlier and a lot of that comes down to the size of divisions right um [Music] rocky mountain has 6 000 members eastern has somewhere around 10

000 members western is i think three or four thousand members and some of the divisions are going to find it easier to adopt something like this and to be honest test it out a little bit for some

of the bigger divisions to make those changes as well so we can figure out some best practices and and roll them out across the country but i totally agree lin lin the

the six fundamentals work really well as kind of a multiple choice like i use them as a checklist i go down that list like is this the one i want to talk about nope is this what i want to talk about nope is this one i want to talk about yep that one's got some issues

some areas we could talk about what about this one and i kind of work through there and boil it down to one or two they're going to help me make my case about what i want to work on the most clearly um and i do think we'll

start seeing these trickle into the exam process over the next couple of years um other questions comments things that you guys want to bring we've got we kind of schedule these for an hour and a half so we've got time um kind of an hour

presentation and and another 30 minutes for comments and questions or we can keep working through a couple more videos but definitely open to questions or if if any of you want me to play a video

and uh not talk and you guys can brainstorm it out in the comments cool all right i will pull up another video here there we go

so i'm going to play this video a couple times [Music] so [Music] you

[Music] so [Music] i do not have a video that shows really clear retraction it's actually something we're just talking about on a rock mountain snowboard committee

meeting this morning so these are all videos that we're going to be using in the rm division as a as the videos for human analysis and the exams where we're available to all

membership next fall and we'll be able to see all the videos that are out there we were just going through videos that we that we shot this year and realized we really don't have any that clearly demonstrate retraction so um

that's uh that's uh that's definitely on the list of things to gather when i don't have one um where would you apply to write it doesn't show the ability to do

it so retraction falls into in a couple of different pieces there independent collection extension right so moving uh the center mass along the to direct pressure along the length of the snowboard we often see retraction

start the doll out again here start to start with that pulling of the front ankle knee and hip up towards the body so we can talk a little bit about there but

really retraction comes in any of those vertical movement patterns uh most extended most flexed retraction down a weighting up and waiting would you know however you want to talk about those um those come in controlling magnitude of

pressure through board surface interaction so that retraction really comes in through through that third fundamental there yeah cody this one's a little bit of a little bit of hotness here

something i think with ma like we we love to nerd out and tear videos apart right and look at where we can make changes to this rider what if at the top of this run

this guy said to his instructor forget all the lessons i just want to shred this run i just want to ride how i ride does that change how you would do

what we'd say about mma [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music]

well i like i like your guys's answer so where i was going with that is um yeah yeah jay hutchins um yeah good good piece in here and just something i like

to throw in when we get into m.a and

taren riders apart and looking at moving patterns there's always stuff for us to work on right any one of us you go out with we did a team ride day earlier this season and and the whole team went out and just critiqued each other gave each

other feedback and just just rode for fun sometimes right and that value there is this guy's snowboarding he's having fun he's got a smile on his face you know he's an intermediate rider there's there's so many things for us to

work on in this and there's all sorts of stuff we can tear apart but but it starts from a point of he's on a snowboard he's outside he's having a good day he's doing it right right and then from there we can work on on making

him a better snowboarder but i do think it's important sometimes for us to take that step back out of snowboard nerd zone and like make it a fun run or give him a soft focus or um you know to ask him to to focus on feelings right i really like that one brandon what are

the feelings in your boots when you transition heel to toe or what are you feeling in your body as you ride like absolutely set up those free runs don't be afraid to give them soft focuses but also start from a point where

he's he's doing it right because he's having fun he's on a snowboard he's doing what he wants to do and uh and and not get too hung up on how all the ways he's doing it wrong because there's a there's a lot we can

work on in this video uh but i always like to throw that in when we work on mma's like and everything starts with this guy starts from he's doing it right because he's because he's snowboarding not skiing right or because he's having a

good day he's having fun he's outside and then how do we make it more effective more efficient um so we've watched this video a few times here and uh

we want to prioritize some of these deficiencies looking through that checklist looking through our multiple choice what do you guys come up with and just throw them in the chat what are the what are the easiest ways we can make some

impacts on this writing which what are the fundamentals that you see as kind of the most important ones to focus on here hey chris you ready yeah

uh what i'd share is like um i'd bring it back to um a mellow groom green train and then i have a drill where i have like their their front their

front hand goes onto their back shoulder and then their their back arm kind of goes behind their back to keep them from more in line you know to keep their upper body from

from wanting to rotate keep their spine pretty pretty in lines to board and then just just do open mellow carve turns let them just kind of get the edge work

going on there cool so what you're seeing is the one of the primary issues here is that um is that upper body rotary movement

right like like he's like he's like so open all the time and and kind of just kicking his back foot a lot but still like really is relying on the upper body

is so like out of the place and he's working harder like a lot more work you've got to do into it or if you like where to get the shoulder here and just be more aligned it may

focus more on staying in alignment using more of the lower body to steer the board or trust the edge to do the work yeah cool um cody says controlling pivot through

reflection extension rotation moving center of mass along the length of the snowboard yep so um chandler to your point putting those into these checklists of the fundamentals and just based on what you said i think

you probably agree with cody here we want to work on the how he's controlling pivot through flex extension rotation right he's controlling it through that extension and flexion of that back

hip and knee joint so really pushing that back foot around the front foot and he's doing that because all the way through this as we look at it he's

out of reference alignment his back knee and ankle and hip are more flexed in his front ankle knee and hip so his center of mass is aft he is not managing pressure along the length of the snowboard effectively

because of that he's not controlling pivot through flex extension and rotation effectively so if we focus on getting tony yeah focus on getting the body aligned keep our center mass more in the middle of the

snowboard try to get lined up and over the center of our snowboard even right here dead on you can see this hit the shoulder is not in alignment with the

terrain the hips are not quite in alignment with the terrain the knees are more so but probably again not quite this back knee is just a little bit more flexed in that front knee you can look at how that gets

worse at every joint until by the time we get to the shoulders he's pretty far back over that that back foot and so um chandler i think your your progression would be a good way to go

but breaking it down to the fundamentals in terms of what are the two fundamentals or you know one or two or even three fundamentals are going to have our biggest area to work on that checklist definitely points me uh to

what cody just said pivot through flex expression rotation center mass along the length of the snowboard and then how do we do that well we're going to get into some prescription for change right i want to focus on

flexing that front knee more um i want to focus on yeah there we go magnitude of pressure yep so hard to unweight the snowboard because he doesn't use flex and extension 100 so

focusing on getting our center mass a little bit more forward by flexing that front knee and adding in some vertical movement to create that unwaiting so we can flex and

extend as we move through our turn and all of that unlocks that ability for us to pivot the snowboard smoothly using our contact points using the sidecut and snowboard right instead of having to

kick our back foot around so the fundamentals we can use that checklist identify those three fundamentals as areas to work on and then we move into how do we change the movement pattern

within that fundamental the fundamental doesn't say whether they're flexing extending a back knee to kick the back foot around or using rotation of front knee to pivot the snowboard it just says that's how we do

it or that's that's the what the connection is right and then how we do it that's where we start getting into that corrective and developmental opportunity nice let's do one more here i realize we're right at times so if you guys have

to drop off or all good turns rotary oh you know what that's pretty much the

exact same video we're gonna skip that one we pull up uh watch this one watch that one more in here i knew i had one more in here

uh thank you uh [Music] you want to take a stab at working through the checklist on this one

this one it's all good kelly cool so we got three different routes here so far in chat so torsional flex let's look let's talk about that one to start with here so

we're on our heel side and we want to go to our toe side and actually this goes right in line with kelly's comment

right big up and waiting brings it around at the toe side no torsional flex almost no torsional flex there's a little bit here coming from the unwaiting movement but not from the

steering movement and same thing toe to heel hey this looks like a really stiff board for we're getting out of conditions here yeah hard to see that one but it didn't

look like a ton of let's see look at this one toe to heel yeah yeah so very very simultaneous movement around so we talk about twist we're often

talking about uh about that sequential movement right one toe drops first one heel drops first to initiate that turn so if we wanted to work with

uh with the concept of torsional flex here focusing on the how creating that sequential movement leading with that front knee right and that's what we're

what we're seeing there is not a lot of front knee steering which results in not having much in the way of torsional flex to start the turn here so that's certainly

a direction we could go um and that lines up with what kelly was saying about that vertical unwaiting movement right like big up and over comes up real tall to get the snowboard

light so they can rotate directly underneath them so we've got control uh magnitude of pressure created through board surface interaction as an element there and then how we do that well we're doing it with up and waiting right now

maybe we want to move towards a downward weighting movement a most flexed movement pattern looks like late getting onto the toe side he's staying four on the board and not finishing on his back foot yet so this one gets we we're seeing a little

bit of that managing pressure along the length of the snowboard right so we're a little bit aft here and then picking up the back foot and pivoting so we're not necessarily staying centered on the

snowboard coming through we have big vertical movement and pressure way around the nose

full like nose press heel heel to toe here um brandon they are referenced in the snow sports teaching manual that was published in

october november of 2018 and they've been in 32 degrees a couple of times we're actually the team's working on an article for

the website for the summer just a a kind of update on the fundamentals and then um yeah we've had them out in a couple publications they were really first

published as the as the fundamentals during inner ski last spring at ushuaia all right at bulgaria and then they were formally adopted last summer

and we've started using them a few things since then could get lower for more range of motion uh pivot through rotation instead of throwing upper body to initiate turns using more of the lower body or even anticipatory movement to get the pivot

to the board yes and could get lower for more range of motion more for aft management don't let the back hand touch the ground lifting the nose up the back foot around the bumps relying on nose pivot points

yep so you guys are all seeing all of these different elements right again there's no right answer but looking through different ways where we might want to

use like some low-hanging fruit right going through these fundamentals torsional flex makes a checklist that's one we could work on managing pivot how we want to manage

pivot could be one right so hopefully this is making sense and i'll wrap up here just an interest of time um the fundamentals as a tool for movement analysis

don't explain the how they explain the what right you go through that checklist and it helps you identify these one or two points in the fundamentals that you're going to use to make recommendations or changes in

this writer and then how you do that that's where you dive into those body movements and the board performances as they've always existed and look at how do we want to change that is it going through a movement pattern to create

some twist is it going through a movement pattern to create retraction or most flexed or down a weighted movement pattern is it um a pivot point are they too far forward too far aft right the fundamentals help

you narrow your focus and you go from there into how are you going to make those changes that's doing what we've always done and building from those skill sets hopefully this makes sense again this is

something that that you know we've been playing with on the team for the last two or three years and on the national task forces um they take a little bit of time to wrap your head around they are

it's a different verbiage we're not expecting anyone to use them word for word they are there to be turned into more of a vernacular that we're going to use um you know that public if you're in a if you're in an

exam with me a couple years down the road and you say riders moving they're moving pressure along the length of the snowboard that means the same thing as directing uh or controlling the relationship the center mass to the base of support to direct pressure on the

length of the snowboard right i don't expect anyone to say that um it's there in that writing to match up with the other with other disciplines fundamentals and and again the more we start using them like this the more

familiar they're going to be more comfortable you'll get with them and and i've i've found using them for movement analysis like this is a really good way to start to get comfortable with how they interrelate how they how they um

move from the what into the how and kind of what the fundamentals are and what they're not it's it's been helpful for me as i've gotten used to them so hopefully this was helpful we will do more of these for sure

uh and last thing i'll say is we are doing a kind of uh national digital rider rally conversations we've started doing them every saturday it's a little happy hour you know ride a rally

is this uh event that we do every year alongside national academy that's kind of a rider-centric uh get out and snowboard and we we

wanted to kind of keep that stoke alive so no tech talk no focus crack a beer or beverage or um you know or a glass of water whatever you're into and just hang

out with people and catch up and chat so those are saturdays at 5 00 pm there's a facebook group um for asi rider rally feel free to reach out to me if you if you want details for that if you're not a part of that

and then last thing i always like to do here is just share my email address and social profile if you have follow-up questions you want to ask um

any kind of uh questions comments things that you want more information about i am uh i've got lots of time in my hands right now so i'm happy to chat and uh

it's chris live winter l-i-v-e-w-n-t-r.com is my email address and then all things social media is at chrisroger's bail and uh yeah happy to chat connect

share stories all that good stuff thank you guys for being here hopefully i answered more questions than i created and if i created too many questions please ask them offline

thanks chris thanks guys thanks for being here yeah thanks chris uh good good uh talking to you sweet cheers shannon thank chris no worries thanks for being

here lynn you